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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
Let's not forget Israel making a massacre in gaza earlier. The palestinians need foreign aid which israel is denying in name of security. No one can use the argument of security or warning in this case simply because what they are doing is illegal according to international laws. | ||
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On May 31 2010 20:09 BG1 wrote: You're telling me they just shot the people for fun... Knowing full well the law, the international consequences and the media backlash and you're telling me to stop living in a dream world??? haha Oh and yes I wasn't there but you guys obviously were... The details of what went on aboard the convoys are being told from the Israeli side. Remember that incident of the US army going trigger happy on those Reuters journalists a while back? The American army dismissed that so I don't know why the Israelis--the ones who still won't admit having nuclear weapons even though everyone and their mother's know it--would tell the truth. Btw you are living a dream world if you can't see that the Israeli army probably fucked up in not realizing that these convoys had westerners on them, leading to the backlash now. Had it just been a bunch of Palestinians, nobody would care. As a neutral observer on this whole issue, I still know better not to trust the Jewish backed American media when it comes to this, so I don't know why people are surprised by the lack of news coverage by the likes of CNN and Fox. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 31 2010 19:46 Liquid`Drone wrote: 1. 2 and 3: this is just stupid. 4: a) gaza needs aid. b) the people on this flotilla are largely doctors, writers and politicians. the swedish group included members of parliament, historians, writers and doctors.. c) then it was pretty fucking successful in showing how over the top israel is.. attacking a group of 600 unarmed civilians. it's god damn sickening that anyone can just accept this or be apoleptic. This is perhaps the only decent post I've seen so far, So I'll make people read it again. Anyway... It isn't the first time "help gaza" ships have been sent by international aid delegations. The difference this time is the size of the manifestation and potential help it could give people in Gaza. And mainly the fact that the ships were boarded by israeli military on international water which is, will and should be disapproved by all democratic states. Before today these "aid ships" had been transported to Israeli Harbours or been allowed to fullfil their purpose. There were as Drone mentioned swedish politicians aboard, some sources claim that 16 persons were killed. If a swedish parliament member was killed by Israeli troops on international water... (Sweden's got quite a history as one of the first western states to recognize the humanitarian needs, rights and religious ideas of palestine instead of the general pro Israel post ww2 paradigm) Well without more knowledge this thread won't mean anything though, we'll just have to wait and see. | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 31 2010 20:09 BG1 wrote: You're telling me they just shot the people for fun... Knowing full well the law, the international consequences and the media backlash and you're telling me to stop living in a dream world??? haha Oh and yes I wasn't there but you guys obviously were... right, that would never happen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Miller_(filmmaker) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/nov/24/israel "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over." | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On May 31 2010 20:28 Caos2 wrote: Unbelievable. Israel is out of bounds again. Israel is out of bounds again yeah, but I find it very believable. | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
Given that the ostensible purpose of the NATO treaty is that an attack on one member is to be treated as an attack on all of them, we could be legally be at war with Israel, if Turkey ever decided it wanted to make the appropriate legal point. Of course, Israel went as far as to bomb a US ship back in the day (1967), well before it had nukes, and it didn't slow down US aid any, so I don't envisage this point being made much in the press or by government spokespeople in the next few days. | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 31 2010 19:22 HnR)hT wrote: 1. Muslims lie. 2. Pro-"Palestinian" Israeli activists lie. 3. Because of 1) and 2), we don't really know what has happened. 4. The "aid" flotilla is in any case a naked act of aggression against Israel because: a) Gaza doesn't need aid, stories designed to create that impression are simply manipulation. b) Because Gazan Arabs are in a perpetual state of war against Israel and have no qualms about using whatever - whatever means available to weaken their prey, Israel simply must act to prevent weapons smuggling as an elementary act of self-preservations, hence the blockade. c) This flotilla was nothing but a stunt, organized by Israel's enemies, to flout Israel's defensive blockade. 5. Posters on TL lie. Meaning you have no clue what you are talking about. | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
Good way to hide your acts. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
Israel was formed in crucible of the holocaust and spent its infancy defending itself against every single neighbor it has, who were trying to literally erase them from the map. If a person grows up that same way, they become hardened and "paranoid" (not every Palestinian is launching rockets FFS...a lot of poor black people are involved in crime in the US but can you imagine the shitstorm if the US was to say that every black person is now guilty until proven innocent? I know the analogy is not exact but its a decent thought experiment). Sometimes, a person with the most messed up childhood you can imagine becomes psychopathic, and I think that has happened. Every country wants to defend its own. I honestly think Israel would kill a thousand foreign civilians to save 5 of their own, with no compunction whatsoever. They are a perpetually traumatized state that has gone insane with institutional fear and the justifications that such fear breeds. They will never change without external pressure, and that doesn't seem to be in the offing. I don't think Obama's Israel policy is radically different from most that have come before. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28702 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On May 31 2010 19:16 Liquid`Drone wrote: there is NO way of defending this. this convoi largely consists of 3 groups of people - academics/writers, politicians, and doctors. they sure as hell are not gun-smugglers or terrorists. im hoping this can finally turn israel into the pariah it should be, like south africa 20 years ago, because it's not going to change without serious external pressure. unfortunately USA is key - fortunately you got barack in power atm. ??? there are ways to help the Gaza people and if its by humanitarian ways u can do so by working with the Gaza authority and Israeli one through the normal channels this was a well known provocation they knew its a provocation and its on their head | ||
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On May 31 2010 20:41 pvzvt wrote: ??? there are ways to help the Gaza people and if its by humanitarian ways u can do so by working with the Gaza authority and Israeli one through the normal channels this was a well known provocation they knew its a provocation and its on their head and look into this ship while u all blame Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karine_A_Affair | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
Yeah, **** this guy for provoking the government by standing where he CLEARLY shouldn't have been. Should have brought in some choppers as well, the situation looks dangerous. | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
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