EPTNews: Israel Attacks Gazan Aid Flotilla - Page 16
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On June 01 2010 04:29 PlaGuE_R wrote: Israel are bad, they've bombed schools and civilian airports in the past and now they attack aid ships, watever way you wish to spin them, KILLING people because they defended themselves whilst being boarded with KNIVES when u have flak jackes, Kevlar and assault rifles is just plain wrong. Israel has been doing shit like this for ages, murdering civilians, torturing palestinians, starving out the Gaza strip for weeks on end, but the USA was always backing them, silencing dissent 'no, no, they have to defend themselves' but NOW the US is saying that they DONT condone these actions and that there WILL be an inquiry, an opinion shared by the UN and EU btw so NOW people get wind of the bullshit Israel really pulls. Israel shud become a DMZ with UN troops providing defense forces agaisnt any potential arab state attack, and that would solve tons of problems. are u for real >?>> Israel bombs the places form where the rockets are sent from its the Palestinians who shoot the rockets from schools in order to get the public affection after the counter hit by us not to mention we notice before we shoot for humanitarian reasons unlike your actions with Algeria don't get all up and mighty we all know France is a bit biased in this situation and has no way to tell us how to conduct ourselves after your shameful acts in Algeria nor do the Turkics who slew the curds | ||
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On June 01 2010 04:58 beetlejuice wrote: PROPER INFO??? LOL. I am watching and reading every data since 6 am here. what are you talking about? why are they trying to board in the first place? 15 pages of comments %80 asked this question and wanted an answer. yet you are not one of them. you are lol and I am even loling at your knowledge of international law. boarding on that ship with weapons IS A CRIME in the first place. because of being in international water. the "so called" blockade is also illegal... do you want me to go on justifying that it was REALLY a crime? Yep. All you mentioned about international law is true. Israel warned the ships and extended their area of control to scare them off or legitimize military action. This is completely against international law and indeed the main question that should be discussed. Had they boarded the ships on Israeli water then it'd been another story but they didn't. Had they not been in "relative peace" with Palestine then their Blockade would have been "justified". So what it all comes down to is this. The situation between Israel and Palestine isn't as the peace between Sweden and Finland. Where does the border go between war- and peacetime? ( Today the general consensus has been peace. then also an attack on international water) With these questions answered; the UN can do their sanctions Sweden their eventual boycott Turkey will probably do what? (BeetleJuice have you got insight on this?) Israel will hopefully question their regime and defence minister Ehud Barak or prime minister Netanyahu might have to step down. Any Israelite got an opinion on effects on the regime? Or do the majority of the people stand by their actions and violation of international law? | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
Sending military 1 by 1 in international water at 4 am in a "humanitarian" expedition ship full of angry people (we can see this from the videos that are sent by the israli army) is ... just lol. Killing a bunch of people made it even worse ~_~. Their communication sucks. They look so incompetent that it can be funny. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:10 beetlejuice wrote: french and turks can just came up a sentence similar to yours and all be justified and then we can tell you how to conduct? is that it? so germany has no right to tell you how to conduct yourself because of slaying jews? so united states has no right to tell you how to conduct yourself because of slaying indians? so china has no right to tell you how to conduct yourself because of Tibet? so many more countries has no right to tell you how to conduct yourself because of the incidents they had? "are you for real" question fits more for you. every single incident is unjustifiable and should be cursed. the funny thing is, only likes of you have a logic of justification that "I can kill ppl because others did it too and they can't stop me." you are killing ppl in international water. Yes sir others will tell you how to conduct. they SHOULD tell you how to conduct. like they SHOULD do for every crime that happened and will happen for every race-colour-religion. when u say kill people on international water just say defended their lives form a mob (apparently the humanitarian people ar'nt so humanitarian) the french that is saying half stories without telling the truth isn't very acceptable of course its not an excuse for doing bad things but i will not be judged by a guy like the one i responded before for the obvious reasons some how every country has some issues with morality when it comes to Israel let me tell u this if u were in this situation ........ just look for examples in other places like ,,,, what i suggested turkey with the curds France with Algeria Russia with any country they had problem ,, not that i judge them but its kind of hypocrite to come to us with demands when we truely are one of the most sensitive armies to that issue since we know what it feels like to have nothing and be surrounded by "enemies" | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:10 beetlejuice wrote: the funny thing is, only likes of you have a logic of justification that "I can kill ppl because others did it too and they can't stop me." you can just say jews, we know you mean jews | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:25 ganil wrote: "Attacking" that ship in internationale water was a crime. That's why they look so bad and israel is undefendable. If they waited until the fleet was on their coast, it would have been an other story. Well, not so diferent but still... I think this is going to be one of those things where there's a lot of initial outrage because it sounds bad, but once people see the more detailed footage being released where the "peaceful protesters" attack the IDF with poles and molotovs, opinions will slowly drift the other way. | ||
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:27 beetlejuice wrote: yes sirgling I can provide the information you want. Turkey has already took steps to (nearly) stop relations with Israel. -3 military co-training is cancelled -U-18 football team's match with Israel U18 is cancelled. -Israeli Ambassador in Turkey has been called for discussion. -NATO states has been called for immediate meetings. -UN Security Council has been called to gather for immediate meetings. and now Turkey is demanding the injured citizens asap from Israel. They don't want Israel to look after them. Some military official said this incident is a Casus Belli. The government said they are waiting for the injured citizen. After that is taken care of. There will be more steps to take officials said. Thanks for the information, i was browsing news websites but couldn't find updates. So this changes my mind a little about Turkey's moderation, calling for a nato meeting and talking openly about casus belli. I think they are going to force the blockade and not just limit thenselves to escort in international waters. War can still be avoided, if Israel does the right thing. | ||
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MagisterMan
Sweden525 Posts
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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510Sushi
Azerbaijan331 Posts
I think this is going to be one of those things where there's a lot of initial outrage because it sounds bad, but once people see the more detailed footage being released where the "peaceful protesters" attack the IDF with poles and molotovs, opinions will slowly drift the other way.[/QUOTE] this is true, but the Israeli army did board their ship (without permission) in international waters. The not so nonviolent protesters were the ones who first used violence in the encounter but it was the Israeli forces who initially boarded the ship. both groups did wrong here, the first error just happened to be Israels sry i forgot who said it | ||
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Groslouser
France337 Posts
I still cant believe Israel did a military intervention within international waters AND against a peaceful fleet. I've always considered Israel's army as a well trained and smart one, used to deal with PR issues, such a dumb move is unbelievable and it wont be forgiven. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:27 beetlejuice wrote: Turkey has already took steps to (nearly) stop relations with Israel. -3 military co-training is cancelled -U-18 football team's match with Israel U18 is cancelled. -Israeli Ambassador in Turkey has been called for discussion. -NATO states has been called for immediate meetings. -UN Security Council has been called to gather for immediate meetings. and now Turkey is demanding the injured citizens asap from Israel. They don't want Israel to look after them. Some military official said this incident is a Casus Belli. The government said they are waiting for the injured citizen. After that is taken care of. There will be more steps to take officials said. These are political games. Israel and Turkey have been doing it for about a year to leverage for favor among the US and EU, but they're still top trading partners. Neither side wants to sever the relationship, they just want to play a coy game to punish the other for acting out. Israel leaks a memo to Greece about a new trade route, Turkey cancels joint military exercises, etc. Turks obviously support Palestinians, but the government is just going to use it for the elections. And let's be honest, would you rather be treated at an Israeli hospital or a Turkish one? Even Amerikan and Acibadem aren't the same. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:38 ghote wrote: I think this is going to be one of those things where there's a lot of initial outrage because it sounds bad, but once people see the more detailed footage being released where the "peaceful protesters" attack the IDF with poles and molotovs, opinions will slowly drift the other way. this is true, but the Israeli army did board their ship (without permission) in international waters. The not so nonviolent protesters were the ones who first used violence in the encounter but it was the Israeli forces who initially boarded the ship. both groups did wrong here, the first error just happened to be Israels sry i forgot who said it[/QUOTE] I said it and I'm not saying the Israelis are without blame, but that it's not as one-sided as the headlines make it look. | ||
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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510Sushi
Azerbaijan331 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:42 jalstar wrote: this is true, but the Israeli army did board their ship (without permission) in international waters. The not so nonviolent protesters were the ones who first used violence in the encounter but it was the Israeli forces who initially boarded the ship. both groups did wrong here, the first error just happened to be Israels sry i forgot who said it I said it and I'm not saying the Israelis are without blame, but that it's not as one-sided as the headlines make it look.[/QUOTE] yah i get what you mean, but the media likes to take a humanitarian viewpoint most of the time. does anyone have any news footage of an Israeli news show. im curious as to what they are saying | ||
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