EPTOn June 01 2010 03:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So apparently more aid ships will be sent this time escorted by the Turkish Navy...
So apparently more aid ships will be sent this time escorted by the Turkish Navy...
With more children?
News: Israel Attacks Gazan Aid Flotilla - Page 14
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semantics
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With more children? | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
And no, i don't know about palestinian refugees outside israel. I just heard at the TV news (romanian channel) that a member of the turkish parliament died. I'm very skeptical about it and wait for official report. But if this indeed happened, then this is going to be an even bigger mess. | ||
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semantics
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Sadist
United States7300 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:03 Pika Chu wrote: My solution for what, peace? My solution is to give palestinians back a part of their territory so they can build themselves a palestinian state. Only then the area will calm down. And a solution for this is that Israel starts acting normal and follow the laws and international treaties. even if they did that it wouldnt stop the violence any time soon. People on both sides will be fighting as long as israel exists. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
option 1. They had surrounded all the ships so a clinical shot on the propellers would have stopped it. option 2. Board a ship in the middle of the night with armed troops, hope the people aboard ( on this ship mostly turkish) wont' try resisting because then they'd have to shoot in self defence. Military intelligence, political strategy, diplomatic intelligence. Where are you? | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:28 Sadist wrote: even if they did that it wouldnt stop the violence any time soon. People on both sides will be fighting as long as israel exists. We can start a Israel Palestine thread after this blows over but let's keep this to what it is. Please put more effort into your posts we don't need that in a thread like this. On the matter of children being on the ship I'd like to read a source on it. It wasn't a ship sent to war. It was a ship sent for aiding people in Gaza. This has been done before and noone has been killed. I consider having children aboard as a unnecessary risk but as always there's a human being making a rational decision behind it so I wouldn't shove the action away just like that. | ||
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semantics
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On June 01 2010 03:31 SirGlinG wrote: The Israeli strategy to stop a ship on international water from reaching Gaza: option 1. They had surrounded all the ships so a clinical shot on the propellers would have stopped it. option 2. Board a ship in the middle of the night with armed troops, hope the people aboard ( on this ship mostly turkish) wont' try resisting because then they'd have to shoot in self defence. Military intelligence, political strategy, diplomatic intelligence. Where are you? You act like disabling the ship that is the size of a curse liner without sinking it is easy. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:26 semantics wrote: All just a show... Yeah, except people died. | ||
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Korbin Dallas
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semantics
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On June 01 2010 03:51 Korbin Dallas wrote: Option one was not an option. It wasn't even possible. It was either board the flotilla or sink them all.... Seriously if a country like Israel says stay the fuck out... you stay the fuck out. They do not mess around. This is how i see it, granted Israel could be "corrupt police" but going against them is still not following those hints. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On June 01 2010 02:28 Autofire2 wrote: OK...why is everyone taking the "Israel warned them" as a defense? I mean, the legality of the blockade and the fact that it was boarding while in international waters might be debatable. It seems like Israel was in the wrong but maybe a legal expert can confirm or deny this. But the warning? How is that a defense? Is everyone in the world supposed to tiptoe around this country (not even in their territory or waters) because they tell people "look at us funny and we'll **** your **** up?" You know what, what if it had been Iran that created this blockade and killed those unarmed, western activists? Would as many people be standing up for them because Ahmedinijad "warned" them? Hell, a war might have been declared by now. I'm no fan of Iran's domestic or foreign policy, but you see my point. Why let Israel off the hook for something that would be condemned if it was coming from any other country with a very suspect human rights record? Had it been on Israeli water they'd have rights for military action and boarding the ships. Also if they'd have asked for rights to search the ships for weapons They'd most probably would have been allowed but this didn't happen. Had Israel been at war with Palestine at the time it wouldn't have been a crime against public international law. (not100% sure on details here though. But they'de have rights for a blockade on Gaza) I'm glad someone gives another perspective than simple etnocentrism | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:46 semantics wrote: You act like disabling the ship that is the size of a curse liner without sinking it is easy. Are you yourself an expert on this matter? I am certainly not, therefore I looked into the matter before posting and I stand by my word. | ||
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beetlejuice
Turkey68 Posts
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semantics
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On June 01 2010 03:56 SirGlinG wrote: Are you yourself an expert on this matter? I am certainly not, therefore I looked into the matter before posting and I stand by my word. Okay show me the news link where people disable a moving ship the size of a cruse liner without boarding it. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:51 Korbin Dallas wrote: Option one was not an option. It wasn't even possible. It was either board the flotilla or sink them all.... Seriously if a country like Israel says stay the fuck out... you stay the fuck out. They do not mess around. Good point. And if a country like the rest of the world says, "Israel, fucking cut that shit out" and Israel does not cut that shit out, they should be carpetbombed with nuclear warheads. We do not mess around. ...might does make right, doesn't it? Yes. Think Ender's Game. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
Just another incident to add to the pile of 'Reasons why I dislike Israel'. Unfortunately nothing will come of this just gonna lead to the usual criticism from various governments and the israeli defending themselves by calling everyone anti-semitic and make some random reference to WWII. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:58 Mylin wrote: Was expecting them to escort them to harbor then just arrest them but jesus christ this is just going way out of line considering this was such a well covered event (terrorists come on Israel knew this was just a bunch of hippies). Just another incident to add to the pile of 'Reasons why I dislike Israel'. Unfortunately nothing will come of this just gonna lead to the usual criticism from various governments and the israeli defending themselves by calling everyone anti-semitic and make some random reference to WWII. If you see the ship composition and who they landed on, this was a dolt move by BOTH sides; landing on the Turkish ship, and not the ones flying NATO flags. (1 Italian, 2 Greek and 2 American) Also, a note on disabling ships: Wouldn't blowing out the propeller shafts start engine room flooding and a loss of movement? | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
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