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TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
March 30 2013 07:30 GMT
#901
On the other hand you guys are suffering from a pretty terrible lack of freedom problem. Maybe we can send all the drug warriors to Singapore and you guys can all hold hands and talk about what a wonderful boring world you live in. OTOH Jim Rogers recently moved to Singapore so it can't be all bad.
Fus Ro Dah
Profile Joined January 2013
Singapore141 Posts
March 30 2013 07:34 GMT
#902
On March 30 2013 16:30 TerribleNoobling wrote:
On the other hand you guys are suffering from a pretty terrible lack of freedom problem. Maybe we can send all the drug warriors to Singapore and you guys can all hold hands and talk about what a wonderful boring world you live in. OTOH Jim Rogers recently moved to Singapore so it can't be all bad.


This is a common misconception. Did you read that up, or have you actually lived in Singapore? Please refrain from criticizing just from hearsay unless you have lived in the country itself.
wozzot
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1227 Posts
March 30 2013 08:00 GMT
#903
Talking about solving America's drug problem as Singapore does is nice and all, but it doesn't work when the drug traffickers are more heavily armed than the law enforcement officers and are even using literal slaves to get contraband across the border, there are nearly 2,000 miles of border to secure, and even packing prisons to the brim with 90,000 drug offenders doesn't stem the demand for drugs. Also executing thousands of Americans to save the thousands of people who are being murdered in Mexico kind of defeats the purpose of trying to stop the cartels

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fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
March 30 2013 08:15 GMT
#904
I think the problem is trying to do it in a half-assed way.

If you want to truly make drug trafficking illegal, you pull all the stops to prevent it (Singapore). However, the main reason Singapore is able to do this well is because we are a tiny city-state. Come on, how difficult can it be to police the state when it's so small and people have nowhere to hide. We have street lamps every 3 meters or so covering the entire country ffs.

Unless you are prepared to kill drug traffickers in the tens of thousands efficiently (swiftly and without incurring huge legal costs), there is no way you can achieve prevention through deterrence. And so it probably won't work for America, with all the costs involved, including human rights and stuff. I do agree de-criminalizing drugs and using the revenue to combat it non-militarily would be the more feasible choice. However, USA will have to be very careful how they go about this. Seeing the way they go through their finances, and government spending, doesn't bode well for effective spending for drug prevention.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 04 2013 04:08 GMT
#905
For three years it has chronicled Mexico's drug war with graphic images and shocking stories that few others dare show, drawing millions of readers, acclaim, denunciations – and speculation about its author's identity.

Blog del Narco, an internet sensation dubbed a "front-row seat" to Mexico's agony over drugs, has become a must-read for authorities, drug gangs and ordinary people because it lays bare, day after day, the horrific violence censored by the mainstream media.

The anonymous author has been a source of mystery, with Mexico wondering who he is and his motivation for such risky reporting.

Now in their first major interview since launching the blog, the author has spoken to the Guardian and the Texas Observer – and has revealed that she is, in fact, a young woman.

"I don't think people ever imagined it was a woman doing this," said the blogger, who asked to use pseudonym Lucy to protect her real identity.

"Who am I? I'm in my mid-20s, I live in northern Mexico, I'm a journalist. I'm a woman, I'm single, I have no children. And I love Mexico."

This is the first time Lucy has spoken directly about the motivations for running a blog which could cost her her life. In the early days, her male colleague who manages the technical side engaged in a few short, anonymous email exchanges with reporters, but neither has spoken out since.


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hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
April 04 2013 08:53 GMT
#906
On March 30 2013 16:34 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 16:30 TerribleNoobling wrote:
On the other hand you guys are suffering from a pretty terrible lack of freedom problem. Maybe we can send all the drug warriors to Singapore and you guys can all hold hands and talk about what a wonderful boring world you live in. OTOH Jim Rogers recently moved to Singapore so it can't be all bad.


This is a common misconception. Did you read that up, or have you actually lived in Singapore? Please refrain from criticizing just from hearsay unless you have lived in the country itself.


try to buy a playboy, be homosexual or try to make a movie that overly critizes things and you see how free your country is :/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 28 2013 16:57 GMT
#907
Interesting read brought to my atention via BioNova:

http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/04/28/when-a-counter-terrorismnarcotic-partner-asks-for-a-divorce/#more-34952

In a crowded conference room, the new attorney general and interior minister sat in silence, not knowing what to expect, next to the new leaders of the army, navy and Mexican intelligence agency.

In front of them at the Dec. 15 meeting were representatives from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the CIA, the FBI, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and other U.S. agencies tasked with helping Mexico destroy the drug cartels that had besieged the country for the past decade.

The Mexicans remained stone-faced as they learned for the first time just how entwined the two countries had become during the battle against narco-traffickers, and how, in the process, the United States had been given near-complete entree to Mexico’s territory and the secrets of its citizens, according to several U.S. officials familiar with the meeting. [my emphasis]


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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 20:24:24
April 28 2013 20:22 GMT
#908
You forgot to quote the best part.

Anxious to counterattack, the CIA proposed electronically emptying the bank accounts of drug kingpins, but was turned down by the Treasury Department and the White House, which feared unleashing chaos in the banking system.

lol
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
April 28 2013 20:56 GMT
#909
On April 29 2013 05:22 Boblion wrote:
You forgot to quote the best part.
Show nested quote +

Anxious to counterattack, the CIA proposed electronically emptying the bank accounts of drug kingpins, but was turned down by the Treasury Department and the White House, which feared unleashing chaos in the banking system.

lol


obama and the choom gang dont wanna put their brothers down

but really thats just crazy, there must be hundreds of billions of dollars in drug money saved up around the world though
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TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 21:31:24
April 28 2013 21:31 GMT
#910
Picture actually taking those money and put them to good use. School systems and health care ^^
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HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
April 28 2013 22:19 GMT
#911
At the very least, it should be a crime in America to knowingly launder drug money for the Mexican cartels (as in a real crime that gets prosecuted, not some theoretical crime that is A-OK to commit in practice).
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 22:49:43
April 28 2013 22:45 GMT
#912
On April 29 2013 05:56 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 05:22 Boblion wrote:
You forgot to quote the best part.

Anxious to counterattack, the CIA proposed electronically emptying the bank accounts of drug kingpins, but was turned down by the Treasury Department and the White House, which feared unleashing chaos in the banking system.

lol


obama and the choom gang dont wanna put their brothers down

but really thats just crazy, there must be hundreds of billions of dollars in drug money saved up around the world though


I know man... so crazy. Kinda related thing for some insight on the drug money:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?pagewanted=all

The Sinaloa cartel can buy a kilo of cocaine in the highlands of Colombia or Peru for around $2,000, then watch it accrue value as it makes its way to market. In Mexico, that kilo fetches more than $10,000. Jump the border to the United States, and it could sell wholesale for $30,000. Break it down into grams to distribute retail, and that same kilo sells for upward of $100,000 — more than its weight in gold. And that’s just cocaine. Alone among the Mexican cartels, Sinaloa is both diversified and vertically integrated, producing and exporting marijuana, heroin and methamphetamine as well.


So in a spirit of empirical humility, we shouldn’t accept as gospel the estimate, from the Justice Department, that Colombian and Mexican cartels reap $18 billion to $39 billion from drug sales in the United States each year. (That range alone should give you pause.) Still, even if you take the lowest available numbers, Sinaloa emerges as a titanic player in the global black market. In the sober reckoning of the RAND Corporation, for instance, the gross revenue that all Mexican cartels derive from exporting drugs to the United States amounts to only $6.6 billion. By most estimates, though, Sinaloa has achieved a market share of at least 40 percent and perhaps as much as 60 percent, which means that Chapo Guzmán’s organization would appear to enjoy annual revenues of some $3 billion — comparable in terms of earnings to Netflix or, for that matter, to Facebook.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
April 29 2013 22:04 GMT
#913
On April 29 2013 07:45 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 05:56 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 29 2013 05:22 Boblion wrote:
You forgot to quote the best part.

Anxious to counterattack, the CIA proposed electronically emptying the bank accounts of drug kingpins, but was turned down by the Treasury Department and the White House, which feared unleashing chaos in the banking system.

lol


obama and the choom gang dont wanna put their brothers down

but really thats just crazy, there must be hundreds of billions of dollars in drug money saved up around the world though


I know man... so crazy. Kinda related thing for some insight on the drug money:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?pagewanted=all

Show nested quote +
The Sinaloa cartel can buy a kilo of cocaine in the highlands of Colombia or Peru for around $2,000, then watch it accrue value as it makes its way to market. In Mexico, that kilo fetches more than $10,000. Jump the border to the United States, and it could sell wholesale for $30,000. Break it down into grams to distribute retail, and that same kilo sells for upward of $100,000 — more than its weight in gold. And that’s just cocaine. Alone among the Mexican cartels, Sinaloa is both diversified and vertically integrated, producing and exporting marijuana, heroin and methamphetamine as well.

Show nested quote +

So in a spirit of empirical humility, we shouldn’t accept as gospel the estimate, from the Justice Department, that Colombian and Mexican cartels reap $18 billion to $39 billion from drug sales in the United States each year. (That range alone should give you pause.) Still, even if you take the lowest available numbers, Sinaloa emerges as a titanic player in the global black market. In the sober reckoning of the RAND Corporation, for instance, the gross revenue that all Mexican cartels derive from exporting drugs to the United States amounts to only $6.6 billion. By most estimates, though, Sinaloa has achieved a market share of at least 40 percent and perhaps as much as 60 percent, which means that Chapo Guzmán’s organization would appear to enjoy annual revenues of some $3 billion — comparable in terms of earnings to Netflix or, for that matter, to Facebook.



A kilo of coke have a net value of $98.000 dollars... O_o Im clearly in the wrong line of business..Jokes aside, its icredible to see hoe much they earn on dealing drugs. but im surprices to see how little the colombians take for their coke..$2000 and the mexicans get $100.000 from it..But then again, they take all the heat from the military etc.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
April 29 2013 22:10 GMT
#914
On April 30 2013 07:04 TheRealArtemis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 07:45 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On April 29 2013 05:56 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 29 2013 05:22 Boblion wrote:
You forgot to quote the best part.

Anxious to counterattack, the CIA proposed electronically emptying the bank accounts of drug kingpins, but was turned down by the Treasury Department and the White House, which feared unleashing chaos in the banking system.

lol


obama and the choom gang dont wanna put their brothers down

but really thats just crazy, there must be hundreds of billions of dollars in drug money saved up around the world though


I know man... so crazy. Kinda related thing for some insight on the drug money:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?pagewanted=all

The Sinaloa cartel can buy a kilo of cocaine in the highlands of Colombia or Peru for around $2,000, then watch it accrue value as it makes its way to market. In Mexico, that kilo fetches more than $10,000. Jump the border to the United States, and it could sell wholesale for $30,000. Break it down into grams to distribute retail, and that same kilo sells for upward of $100,000 — more than its weight in gold. And that’s just cocaine. Alone among the Mexican cartels, Sinaloa is both diversified and vertically integrated, producing and exporting marijuana, heroin and methamphetamine as well.


So in a spirit of empirical humility, we shouldn’t accept as gospel the estimate, from the Justice Department, that Colombian and Mexican cartels reap $18 billion to $39 billion from drug sales in the United States each year. (That range alone should give you pause.) Still, even if you take the lowest available numbers, Sinaloa emerges as a titanic player in the global black market. In the sober reckoning of the RAND Corporation, for instance, the gross revenue that all Mexican cartels derive from exporting drugs to the United States amounts to only $6.6 billion. By most estimates, though, Sinaloa has achieved a market share of at least 40 percent and perhaps as much as 60 percent, which means that Chapo Guzmán’s organization would appear to enjoy annual revenues of some $3 billion — comparable in terms of earnings to Netflix or, for that matter, to Facebook.



A kilo of coke have a net value of $98.000 dollars... O_o Im clearly in the wrong line of business..Jokes aside, its icredible to see hoe much they earn on dealing drugs. but im surprices to see how little the colombians take for their coke..$2000 and the mexicans get $100.000 from it..But then again, they take all the heat from the military etc.


I'm sure it costs way less than $2,000 dollars for the drug lords and FARC and right-wing militias to produce a kilo of cocaine, using peasants as slave labor basically...

I'm sure they're getting a nice profit margin selling coke at 2 grand a kilo.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 02 2013 02:11 GMT
#915
Mexican federal police have arrested the father-in-law of alleged drug lord Joaquin Guzman in a northern border city without any shots fired, authorities said.

Ines Coronel Barreras, 45, was detained in Agua Prieta, across the border from Douglas, Arizona, along with a 25-year-old son and three other men, Interior Deputy Secretary Eduardo Sanchez said on Tuesday.

Coronel is the father of Guzman's third wife, Ema Coronel Aispuro, who married the purported gang boss in 2007 in a mountainous town in Durango state.

The US agency said at the time that Coronel "plays a key role" in the Sinaloa drug cartel led by Guzman, who is also known as "El Chapo".

Al Jazeera's Adam Raney, reporting from McAllen, Texas, near the Mexican border, said that Guzman is a "very big fish indeed" within the drug cartels.

"Chapo Guzman is Mexico's most-wanted man, and this man, Ines Coronel, is his father-in-law, and, according to the US goverment, one of the key operators in the Sinaloa cartel," said Raney.

Sanchez said officers arrested Coronel and the others at a warehouse and seized four automatic rifles, a handgun and more than 250kg of marijuana.

Coronel was in charge of smuggling marijuana for the Sinaloa drug cartel across the Mexico-Arizona border, Sanchez said.


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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
May 02 2013 04:00 GMT
#916
I participated in a debate tournament about the current U.S. drug policy in Latin America. What I found was interesting. The most interesting part is that the U.S. policy is actually incredibly effective at preventing an incredibly large portion of drugs from entering the U.S., this also makes drugs incredibly lucrative since the price hikes massively due to scarcity. U.S. drug policy is horrendous for indigenous peoples and subsistence farmers, but may end up helping in the long run since it forces drug cartels to move from country to country. It's a double edged sword, but I personally don't think legalization is the key answer here. IMO, taxing something like this, and making money off recreational drugs isn't a great idea simply because the most lucrative drugs are those that should not be allowed into society; cocaine, meth, and heroine, just to name a few of the most lucrative. I wish I could find all the U.N. sources I had used, but it was interesting that 95% of all trade to the U.S. goes through mexico now, and with the Morida initiative, the U.S. dumps a lot to pretty much fund Mexico's anti-drug war; what I found most interesting is that in general there is a downward trend in U.S. drug use while it is upward in Europe, and that most parts of Mexico have since become much safer, while those near the U.S. have become much more dangerous since Morida.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 03 2013 23:44 GMT
#917
US President Barack Obama has admitted that guns from his country are partly to blame for deadly violence in Mexico, as he pledged to forge an equal partnership between the two neighbours as they battle powerful drug cartels.

Obama also said he sees a "new Mexico" emerging, with a deepening democracy and growing economy, as he addressed an audience dominated by students on Friday.

The president was visiting Mexico to discuss drug policy and immigration, among other things, with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto.

Obama conceded that the root of much violence in Mexico is the demand for drugs in the US, and acknowledged that most guns used to commit crime in Mexico come from across the border.

He also said a rising economy is changing Mexico and improving its middle class.

"It's time to recognise new realities including the impressive progress in today's Mexico," he said.

"I see it in the deepening of Mexico's democracy, citizens who are standing up and saying that violence and impunity is not acceptable.

"In this relationship there is no senior partner or junior partner. We are two equal partners, two sovereign nations that must work together in mutual interest and mutual respect."


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 16 2013 00:43 GMT
#918
MEXICO CITY (AP) — A U.S. federal official says Miguel Angel Trevino Morales, head of the brutal Zetas drug cartel, has been captured in northern Mexico.

Trevino Morales, known as “Z-40,” was captured in Nuevo Laredo, in the biggest victory in President Enrique Pena Nieto’s efforts against cartels, according to Mexican media.

The U.S. official who confirmed the capture was not authorized to speak to the press and asked not to be identified.

Trevino Morales took control of the Zetas following the death of group founder Heriberto Lazcano in October 2012.

The U.S. State Department had offered a $5 million reward for Trevino Morales.


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TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
July 16 2013 00:45 GMT
#919
On July 16 2013 09:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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MEXICO CITY (AP) — A U.S. federal official says Miguel Angel Trevino Morales, head of the brutal Zetas drug cartel, has been captured in northern Mexico.

Trevino Morales, known as “Z-40,” was captured in Nuevo Laredo, in the biggest victory in President Enrique Pena Nieto’s efforts against cartels, according to Mexican media.

The U.S. official who confirmed the capture was not authorized to speak to the press and asked not to be identified.

Trevino Morales took control of the Zetas following the death of group founder Heriberto Lazcano in October 2012.

The U.S. State Department had offered a $5 million reward for Trevino Morales.


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Holy crap. That's big news O_o I wonder how the whole thing went down. It cant be eazy to capture a cartel leader, alive!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2013 03:05 GMT
#920
The boss of Mexico's violent Zetas drug cartel, Miguel Angel Trevino Morales, has been captured by Mexican marines, without a shot being fired.

He was caught by Mexican marines carrying $2m in cash - close to the border with the US. Trevino Morales is wanted by Mexico and the US and is accused of murder, torture, organised crime and drug trafficking.

He is blamed for the shipment of hundreds of kilos of cocaine and marijuana each week from Mexico to the US and moving bulk shipments of dollars back into Mexico.

It prompted the US to issue a $5m reward for information leading to his arrest, underlining its shared priorities with Mexico.

Also known by the alias Z-40, Trevino Morales began running errands for his local gang as a teenager, quickly graduating to cross-border drug running.

As part of the Gulf cartel, he helped push for the breakaway of the Zetas drug gang, eventually taking over as head of that cartel last year, when marines shot dead the former commander.

Although he lacked any military background, he gained notoriety for his brutality.

Interior ministry spokesman Eduardo Sanchez said: This person has seven arrest orders by federal judges and is involved in at least 12 previous cases. He is accused of organised crime, homicide, crimes against health, torture, money laundering, importing firearms normally used exclusively by armed forces, among others."

Trevino's ruthless reputation only added to that of the Zetas cartel, considered one of the most powerful in Mexico.


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