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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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Grettin
42414 Posts
My condolences to all. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - President Felipe Calderon declared three days of mourning on Friday and demanded a crackdown on drugs in the United States after armed men torched a casino in northern Mexico, killing at least 52 people. Under intense pressure as violence soars, Calderon said he would send more federal security forces to the city of Monterrey, where gunmen set fire to an upmarket casino on Thursday in one of the worst attacks of Mexico's drugs war. Lashing out at corrupt officials in Mexico and "insatiable" U.S. demand for drugs for fomenting the violence, Calderon urged Congress to stamp out drug consumption and stop illegal trafficking of weapons across the border into Mexico. "We're neighbors, we're allies, we're friends, but you are also responsible," a somber and angry Calderon said to the United States in a speech after meeting his security advisers. Pledging to step up the fight on organized crime, Calderon said Mexico was under attack from "true terrorists", and told all Mexicans to come forward and denounce those responsible. "They aren't and cannot be the ones in charge of our streets, our cities and our future," he said, shortly before departing to Monterrey to take stock of the situation. Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Former President Vicente Fox suggested Friday that Mexican authorities consider calling on drug cartels for a truce and offering them amnesty, speaking out a day after an apparent cartel attack on a casino killed 52 people. Fox, who served from 2000 to 2006, has since advocated legalizing drugs as a way to reduce violence. At least 35,000 and as many as 40,000 people have died since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the cartels in late 2006. "I want to start a public debate on the following ideas ... call on the violent groups for a truce" and "evaluate the advisability of an amnesty law," Fox said in a speech at an anti-crime event. Last week, the attorney general of the violence-wracked southern state of Guerrero, Alberto Lopez Rosas, drew criticism when he called on cartels to establish a truce among themselves to prevent civilian casualties in their bloody turf battles. Federal security spokesman Alejandro Poire rejected that idea this week, saying the gangs must be arrested and disbanded. Source | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
When will people learn that drugs are a social problem and not a criminal problem?? The war on drugs has inadvertently created these drug cartels that in turn cause all this destruction.. When will the people wake up? How many more wrongful deaths? | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Sounds like a desperate situation down there.. When will people learn that drugs are a social problem and not a criminal problem?? The war on drugs has inadvertently created these drug cartels that in turn cause all this destruction.. When will the people wake up? How many more wrongful deaths? the problem isnt so much that drugs are illegal but that mexico hasnt had an effective government since they kicked the spanish empire and then the french out its a problem that has to be fixed somehow legalizing drugs is part of it but unfortunately mexicans also need to fix whatever is wrong with their values that causes corruption to be so widespread in general and the government seems unable to do anything to protect civil society. | ||
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b0ngt0ss
259 Posts
On August 25 2011 11:25 zorrillo1 wrote: The Mexican drug cartels fight for that customer, and thousands others. legalize it, then they cartels have no customers to fight for. seems almost too easy a problem to solve, no? edit: also agree with deepemblues | ||
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
On August 27 2011 17:24 b0ngt0ss wrote: legalize it, then they cartels have no customers to fight for. seems almost too easy a problem to solve, no? edit: also agree with deepemblues You'd have to legalise heroine, cocaine and meth which are all terrible drugs | ||
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BlackFlag
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
On August 27 2011 17:33 Kar98 wrote: legalize it, then they cartels have no customers to fight for. seems almost too easy a problem to solve, no? edit: also agree with deepemblues You'd have to legalise heroine, cocaine and meth which are all terrible drugs [/QUOTE] But by definition Alcohol is a drug as well, and most would agree that its far more destructive than something like marijuana which is illegal. What part of the law says that if one has to be legal, others must be as well? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) — The Mexican army is raiding casinos in a northern city two days after an arson attack killed 52 people. An official of Mexico's Attorney General's Office says soldiers and federal agents have confiscated hundreds of slot machines at five casinos in the city of Monterrey. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the news media. Federal police are guarding the casinos during the raids, which began Friday. Federal police spokesman Juan Carlos Buenrostro said Saturday that additional agents would be deployed to Monterrey later in the day. Source | ||
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gmonty
Sweden31 Posts
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Grettin
42414 Posts
On August 27 2011 17:24 b0ngt0ss wrote: legalize it, then they cartels have no customers to fight for. seems almost too easy a problem to solve, no? edit: also agree with deepemblues USA and EU won't allow that. Then they would "fail" against war on drugs and look like a complete idiots. Even though its happening anyway.. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
USA and EU won't allow that. Then they would "fail" against war on drugs and look like a complete idiots. Even though its happening anyway.. It's true in science and it's true elsewhere: bad ideas don't die because they are bad, they die when their major proponents die out and stop using their influence to promote them. We aren't going to get sensible narcotics policies in the West until the drug warriors who were little kids in the sixties and seventies and are in positions of power today retire and die out and are replaced by a new generation. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
The massive corruption that exists in Mexico has been deeply ingrained and a massive portion of the government is allready on the cartell payroll. Corruption on a scale like that reaches a point where people simply begin to consider it normal and acceptable. If you wanna buy a house you grease the wheels, that's just how it goes. You need to dodge a ticket, slide some their way. Fighting corruption becomes incredibly difficult when it gets to a point where the people themselves just start considering it normal. Legalising drugs would be a step in the right direction but it wouldn't fix the problems that Mexico faces. | ||
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
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zimz
United States510 Posts
With full on traditional war vs all of Mexico, and permanently increase USA land size. the Zetas are American trained. we trained the Zetas, so we can destroy the Zetas. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 28 2011 05:15 mrafaeldie12 wrote: If drugs were legalized the cartels would lose their value. The cartels would become giant drug companies wich would likely continue in the same fashion as before. They wouldn't have to avoid government scrutiny anymore but their infrastructure would still be that off a crime group rather then a real company. They would never face prosecution inside Mexico but most of their profits come from other areas anyway. They would receive an air of legality and could openly corrupt the mexican government. The cartels allready own most of the government, making them legal companies would leave them in near full controll. This is all still disregarding that the gang v gang violence would not suddenly stop. It would just be company v company violence. Global legality of drugs would be a good idea but if it only applies to Mexico then that means no company can compete with the cartels and drive the prices down and make a more healthy business climate. Even if other countries would be allowed to create drug companies it would be highly doubtfull the cartels would play fair. If only Mexico makes drugs legal (including production) then it would just turn Mexico into a criminal free haven from wich the drugs get transported whilst the criminals in question are literally above the law. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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cellblock
Sweden206 Posts
On August 28 2011 07:50 zimz wrote: if cocaine and crystal meth ever become legal, then the cartels have won. The politicans need to swallow their pride and legalize drugs. But you think its better that thousands of people die every year? | ||
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