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Grettin
42417 Posts
On August 28 2011 08:24 cellblock wrote: The politicans need to swallow their pride and legalize drugs. But you think its better that thousands of people die every year? People will die nevertheless. Cartels will be killing those who are in their territory and those who are selling stuff or who are in debts. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On August 28 2011 05:22 zimz wrote: only way to get rid of the cartels, is if a country like the USA decides to invade Mexico and make it part of USA. because the Mexican government is corrupt as hell, basically the cartels own Mexico. With full on traditional war vs all of Mexico, and permanently increase USA land size. the Zetas are American trained. we trained the Zetas, so we can destroy the Zetas. Are you seriously insane? You can't even win the war in Iraq or Afghanistan and you really wanna invade Mexico? This is seriously the worst idea I've ever heard when it comes to the war on drugs. The USA would break apart in this try. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
On August 28 2011 09:11 BlackFlag wrote: Are you seriously insane? You can't even win the war in Iraq or Afghanistan and you really wanna invade Mexico? This is seriously the worst idea I've ever heard when it comes to the war on drugs. The USA would break apart in this try. Invading Mexico is alot easier actually. since Mexico is next door, reinforcements, supplies, equipment, and transportation can be done overnight. Since its close to the USA, it will be a way cheaper war then even Afghanistan or any country. Reinforcements, artillery, tanks and permanent towns came be transported quick and cheap. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 28 2011 09:17 zimz wrote: Invading Mexico is alot easier actually. since Mexico is next door, reinforcements, supplies, equipment, and transportation can be done overnight. Since its close to the USA, it will be a way cheaper war then even Afghanistan or any country. Reinforcements, artillery, tanks and permanent towns came be transported quick and cheap. Too much Starcraft there kiddo. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
Nice well thought out input that talks about the thread topic. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
He has a point though. But it's all about money in this case, which US really don't have to spend for another war. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 28 2011 09:53 zimz wrote: Nice well thought out input that talks about the thread topic. I want you to think about a few things. Go look at how big Mexico is. Go look at how a great deal of Mexico is poor and underdeveloped. Go look at how corrupt and inefficient the existing government institutions and infrastructure is. Think about how many hundreds of thousands of soldiers it would take to occupy that country permanently. And how much money that would cost. Then you should consider how pissed off the American public (and world) would be that a war was being fought to annex a corrupt, drug-ridden corrupt country to get rid of the cartels. Oh, let's not forget that Mexico's war on drugs and organized crime then becomes America's war on drugs and organized crime and we would be operating in a country with a hostile population and little knowledge of the reality on the ground. Add in a war-weary domestic population back in the States and a government debt crisis that only narrowly avoided a major economic disaster. Or maybe the whole country would welcome our men in arms with a homecooked meal and a nice bottle of tequila...I believe that was roughly the same fantasy people believed would happen in Iraq, no? Sounds like a plan. On August 28 2011 10:00 Grettin wrote: He has a point though. But it's all about money in this case, which US really don't have to spend for another war. Yes, he does have a point. He is correct in one thing: the war would certainly be cheaper compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. Because, like he said, it's just a lot closer. Gas adds up, you know? Invading Mexico would simply make a bad situation worse. Afghan drug production as an example... | ||
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miky_ardiente
Mexico387 Posts
On August 28 2011 09:17 zimz wrote: Invading Mexico is alot easier actually. since Mexico is next door, reinforcements, supplies, equipment, and transportation can be done overnight. Since its close to the USA, it will be a way cheaper war then even Afghanistan or any country. Reinforcements, artillery, tanks and permanent towns came be transported quick and cheap. yes please save us... i cant stan living here anymore, one of my ex classmates in college was kidnapped a few months ago and we never see him again, the guy didnt even have any money his family is mid class like mine, he was actually looking for a job | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Suvorov
294 Posts
The acting president (PAN) supporting 'El Chapo' Guzman with military forces while the opposition (PRI) defends as best as they can. They know very well PAN will lose the coming elections...which means Chapo is losing the military support. In less than a year the military will now back the PRI's beloved cartels and will hunt Chapo instead. So that's why Chapo has got to get as much as turf as possible before he loses military support...the clock's ticking and time is slipping by. Hurry boys, your time to shine is running by. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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Suvorov
294 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) — Nuevo Leon state launched a new offensive Wednesday against the proliferation of gambling halls as a top politician's brother was videotaped taking wads of cash inside a casino days before a casino fire killed 52 people. Nuevo Leon Gov. Rodrigo Medina announced initiatives to ban new betting operations and to better regulate existing ones, as well as a corruption probe into Jonas Larrazabal, brother of Monterrey Mayor Fernando Larrazabalwho was caught on videotape visiting several unidentified casinos and being handed large amounts of money. The newspaper Reforma, which published the images Wednesday, estimated that one wad of cash passed in a cell phone box was 400,000 pesos ($32,000). Mayor Fernando Larrazabal said that he supports the probe. "First of all, the people voted for Fernando Larrazabal, and I'm not responsible for my brother's actions," he said. "I will ask the prosecutor to investigate and bring whoever is responsible to justice." Gunmen entered the Casino Royale in Monterrey last Thursday, spread gasoline and set the building on fire, trapping and asphyxiating dozens of gamblers and employees in what's believed to be a case of extortion. Most of the victims were women playing bingo and slots or lunching that afternoon. The five suspects arrested so far confessed to being part of the Zetas drug cartel. Authorities says they are searching for seven others, as well as the owner of the casino, who is believed to be in the United States. Source | ||
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dupshflayh
Norway49 Posts
But the whole situation is just a horrible one, and condolences to the many many families who have been affected. edit: Also, if you want a story that is eerily similar, look up "Cocaine Cowboys". History seems to be repeating itself. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
the main supplier of guns and munitions the main supplier of guns and munitions to the Mexican cartels is the Mexican government thanks to Mexico's epidemic of corruption the US accounts for less than 10% of cartel guns and ammo this "blame the US" mentality is annoying as hell, it's not our fault that you have a better than 50-50 chance of bribing or threatening any mexican official into doing whatever the hell you want. | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
On September 03 2011 10:12 DeepElemBlues wrote: the main supplier of guns and munitions to the Mexican cartels is the Mexican government thanks to Mexico's epidemic of corruption the US accounts for less than 10% of cartel guns and ammo this "blame the US" mentality is annoying as hell, it's not our fault that you have a better than 50-50 chance of bribing or threatening any mexican official into doing whatever the hell you want. You have got to be kidding me. Even if your baseless claim that US only accounts for 10% of Mexicos' drug cartels arms was true, how are the drug cartels so powerful and rich? Who do you think buys their drugs? It IS our fault the drug cartels are both rich and powerful. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
You have got to be kidding me. Even if your baseless claim that US only accounts for 10% of Mexicos' drug cartels arms was true, http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth Shut up and don't open your mouth without thinking next time. how are the drug cartels so powerful and rich? Who do you think buys their drugs? US, Europe, Canada, Mexicans themselves, etc. And they're so powerful and rich because Mexico has a shitty government and always has, drug cartels in the US don't exist on the Mexican scale because the government would call in the US Army and beat the shit out of them, which is why they are on the other side of the border. It IS our fault the drug cartels are both rich and powerful. Nope, not our fault that drugs are illegal, government's fault. Definitely not our fault that they are so powerful in Mexico. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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kunstderfugue
Mexico375 Posts
On September 03 2011 10:12 DeepElemBlues wrote: the main supplier of guns and munitions to the Mexican cartels is the Mexican government thanks to Mexico's epidemic of corruption the US accounts for less than 10% of cartel guns and ammo this "blame the US" mentality is annoying as hell, it's not our fault that you have a better than 50-50 chance of bribing or threatening any mexican official into doing whatever the hell you want. Well, the US consumes a big part of the drugs grown in here, hence why cities in the frontier are being withheld by cartels (Ciudad Juárez, Monterrey) | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
On September 03 2011 10:49 DeepElemBlues wrote: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth Shut up and don't open your mouth without thinking next time. US, Europe, Canada, Mexicans themselves, etc. And they're so powerful and rich because Mexico has a shitty government and always has, drug cartels in the US don't exist on the Mexican scale because the government would call in the US Army and beat the shit out of them, which is why they are on the other side of the border. Nope, not our fault that drugs are illegal, government's fault. Definitely not our fault that they are so powerful in Mexico. Sorry to tell you this, but as a republic, our government is supposed to represent its people.. which it clearly doesnt. Mexico's government doesn't have endless pockets like that of the united states.. They dont have billions of dollars they can spend on a military police state like we do here at home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade A UN report said the global drug trade generated an estimated US$321.6 billion in 2003. In the late 1990s in the United States, for example, the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimated that 5% of murders were drug-related.[6] However, after a crackdown by U.S. and Mexican authorities in the first decade of the 21st century (part of tightened borders security in the wake of the September 11 attacks), border violence inside Mexico surged, with the Mexican government estimating that 90% of the killings are drug-related. In summary: Mexican drug cartels are profitable because they sell the US drugs. With that money the drug cartels buy weapons. They use those weapons to terrorize their own people. The result of which is the existence of this thread.. | ||
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