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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On February 02 2010 16:53 fight_or_flight wrote: I'll stick with the open source community as long as I can. I don't have anything particularly against chrome itself, but I don't like Google's strategy of controlling and gathering all personal info. Its disgusting. mind if u elaborate on how is chrome gathering ur personal info on a web browser? i'm curious... i'm having abit of problem with firefox eating too much memory than it should be, however not really planning on switching unless there are other browser that i'm absolutely convinced that its better by a large margin compared to FF before switching... this is because i'm so used with the settings/add-on and UI of FF i can't really be bothered to re-learn and re-adapt myself to other browser now. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On February 02 2010 16:45 Mystlord wrote: ...a clearly inferior browser going up against a clearly superior browser... How is Firefox clearly inferior vs Chrome? Chrome is faster, but with the speed of modern computers, the difference is insignificant. Chrome consumes less memory, but once again, with the amount of memory modern computers have these days, the difference is negligible. Chrome's advantage is it doesn't crash too much. I admit, Firefox does crash every so often (about every 48 hours of use or so, while constantly having 30+ tabs open). Firefox still has the infinite configurability and the trust of an open source software. It has far more addons and miscellaneous support that Chrome lacks. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On February 02 2010 17:13 Shizuru~ wrote: mind if u elaborate on how is chrome gathering ur personal info on a web browser? i'm curious... I don't know what chrome is or is not gathering. Like I said, I don't think its a bad browser, its just that I'm avoiding google if at all possible. | ||
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magicbullet
Singapore163 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On February 02 2010 15:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: http://www.versluis.com/2010/01/the-scary-truth-about-googles-chrome-propaganda/ I wouldn't be that optimistic about the new browser by Google, the most powerful corporation ever. Before releasing own browser, Google was able to collect user browsing information only through Google Toolbar. This is not quite true. Actually all Google needs to track your browsing behavior is Google Analytics. Every website that uses Google analytics will report your browsing information to Google. And that's like more than half of the web. About Chrome: No, extensions won't "kill" Firefox. First, it seems a lot of the killer extensions are still missing. Greasemonkey for example. Chrome has userscript support, but only half of them actually work in Chrome. I don't know much about Chrome, is there something comparable to Firebug? Then, there is a lot more than just features to people's preference in Browsers. Distrust in Google is just one factor, but an important one. Germany for example is just crazy about Firefox, which has taken the lead over IE, but generally skeptical towards Google's market power. If anything it looks like Chrome will gain market share more from IE users than from Firefox users. http://startupmeme.com/firefox-leads-browser-market-share-in-germany-so-long-ie Chrome is listed under "Andere" - Other. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17766 Posts
On February 02 2010 17:13 Shizuru~ wrote: mind if u elaborate on how is chrome gathering ur personal info on a web browser? i'm curious... Chrome Privacy Policy Google Privacy Policy Edit: Also some funsies: http://www.labnol.org/internet/email/does-google-read-gmail-email-attachments-for-adsense-ads/2438/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/google_toolbar_caught_transmitting_data_when_disabled/ | ||
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Faranth
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On February 02 2010 17:27 fight_or_flight wrote: I don't know what chrome is or is not gathering. Like I said, I don't think its a bad browser, its just that I'm avoiding google if at all possible. +1 | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On February 02 2010 16:46 cz wrote: Only if they have something as effective as AdBlock Plus. They don't have something as effective, they have the real thing. AdBlock Plus is also a Chrome plugin now. And I get the 'support Firefox' rally, but then again, Chrome opens faster, doesn't crash as much, looks leaner and meaner, and it's also faster @ browsing according to benchmarks (about 20-25% faster than Firefox 3.6 on my computer, using Peacekeeper). So really, there are no more reasons for me to stick to Firefox. And all the "STEALING MAH INFOZZ" paranoia, come on! You don't want Google to offer you maximum usability, then don't use the 'unsafe' features. Who's forcing you to store your passwords and whatnot? It's not like people don't use Google.com one billion times a day. They can also find out your ip/isp/etc and the info you're searching for. As if Google has nothing better to do then come after your tranny-porn-folders. Not using Chrome because of 'safety issues' is as silly as not using Firefox because it's not made by a huge company like M$, so it has to be bad! (yes, I have heard that argument many times). | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On February 02 2010 18:42 CubEdIn wrote: They don't have something as effective, they have the real thing. AdBlock Plus is also a Chrome plugin now. And I get the 'support Firefox' rally, but then again, Chrome opens faster, doesn't crash as much, looks leaner and meaner, and it's also faster @ browsing according to benchmarks (about 20-25% faster than Firefox 3.6 on my computer, using Peacekeeper). So really, there are no more reasons for me to stick to Firefox. And all the "STEALING MAH INFOZZ" paranoia, come on! You don't want Google to offer you maximum usability, then don't use the 'unsafe' features. Who's forcing you to store your passwords and whatnot? It's not like people don't use Google.com one billion times a day. They can also find out your ip/isp/etc and the info you're searching for. As if Google has nothing better to do then come after your tranny-porn-folders. Not using Chrome because of 'safety issues' is as silly as not using Firefox because it's not made by a huge company like M$, so it has to be bad! (yes, I have heard that argument many times). It's not paranoia, it's fact. Google makes no secret out of storing all data they can get from you. Of course you can say for yourself a sleeker browser is worth exposing your entire online life to Google. That's your choice. Don't call people who value their privacy differently than you just paranoid though. You think they give you all this gratis software just for the kicks? They do this exactly so they can get as much data from you as possible. So no, Google doesn't have anything better to do. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
On February 02 2010 18:42 CubEdIn wrote: As if Google has nothing better to do then come after your tranny-porn-folders. This. Chrome ftw. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On February 02 2010 18:48 zatic wrote: It's not paranoia, it's fact. Google makes no secret out of storing all data they can get from you. Of course you can say for yourself a sleeker browser is worth exposing your entire online life to Google. That's your choice. Don't call people who value their privacy differently than you just paranoid though. You think they give you all this gratis software just for the kicks? They do this exactly so they can get as much data from you as possible. So no, Google doesn't have anything better to do. I never said Google is not collecting data. I just said that assuming they do that with some kind of evil masterplan in mind is silly. They are collecting data so they can make as much money as possible by trying to sell you and surround you with things you're interested in. How is that evil? Nobody is forcing you to save your passwords and important documents in the applications they're offering, right? And let's get reasonable here, 99,9% of the average users don't have any kind of 'significant' data stored on Google. The only thing Google does is trying to with the info is get them to use their products so they make money off the companies that advertise/whatnot via Google. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that my 'online persona' that browses teamliquid, watches episodes of various shows, plays a bit of HoN and browses porn sites now and then is not of THAT much use to Google. Thinking that Google will use your data to come after you IS paranoia. | ||
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wadis
Sweden59 Posts
ALL GLORY TO HYPNO-GOOGLE! | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On February 02 2010 15:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: http://www.versluis.com/2010/01/the-scary-truth-about-googles-chrome-propaganda/ I wouldn't be that optimistic about the new browser by Google, the most powerful corporation ever. Before releasing own browser, Google was able to collect user browsing information only through Google Toolbar. If you read the G! Toolbar Terms & Conditions carefully, you'd find the lines where Google states that by installing the software a user agrees to share all browsing information with the software provider. Naturally, they couldn't force everyone to install their toolbar so the great G chose the different way. Google wants to know every little thing about you and your relations with the world. Having billions of heavy-weighed user profiles enables the corporation to sell anything to anyone. And you wouldn't even suspect that Google is actually selling something to you -- they know the exact place (space?) and time you'll be browsing across their ad and they'll definitely know the words to convert you in a second. There is, however, even a more dangerous aspect of Google's tremendous activities. By collecting all sorts of data about its users (read every Internet user on Earth), Google sets you and everyone else in the world under the greatest threat ever. How? * Google Toolbar knows your location, your IP address, your Internet service provider (who knows your real location), etc. * Google Checkout knows your credit card number * Google Maps & Google Earth know your travel itineraries, your favorite places, your office location, your friends' locations... even exact distance between your home and the nearest supermarket! * Google Docs reads all your private documents * Google Notebook has all your notes * Google Desktop knows your music tastes, has your images, indexes each and every file on your computer * Gmail sees all your email conversations and has all your contacts on file * Google Talk & Lively record all your VoIP talks with friends * Picasa Web Albums knows your friends' names and faces, has seen places that you visited, remembers your dog's name and won't ever forget that birthday party where you got so drunk! * Google Calendar remembers all your events, appointments and reminders * Google AdSense has access to your website where you publish their ads and, again, knows your credit card and information and all your bank account details * Google Adwords has the list of your websites that you promote through their advertising system (And, yeah, they have your financial profile on record) * Google Analytics knows absolutely everything about your websites (and products that you sell online or offline) should you have any * Youtube views every video you submit and tags every little detail in it * Blogger reads all new posts in your blog * iGoogle has passwords to your Facebook/Myspace/Writers United accounts Do you think you're safe with Google?! That's a comment on some page there. I closed it by mistake T_T, but yes. Read the terms of use. Oh shit! Google knows I listen to Diablo Swing Orchestra and has access to the email account they host for me! I bet they're sending their hit-squad now! I'll be dead within a week! Sarcasm aside, what is going to happen to me? Privacy on the internet is an illusion. Your best defense is not being a target, and that isn't something Google can take away. I have nothing to hide. Do you? Edit: On February 02 2010 17:16 orgolove wrote: How is Firefox clearly inferior vs Chrome? ... I admit, Firefox does crash every so often (about every 48 hours of use or so, while constantly having 30+ tabs open). Pathetic. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On February 02 2010 19:16 CubEdIn wrote: I never said Google is not collecting data. I just said that assuming they do that with some kind of evil masterplan in mind is silly. They are collecting data so they can make as much money as possible by trying to sell you and surround you with things you're interested in. How is that evil? Nobody is forcing you to save your passwords and important documents in the applications they're offering, right? And let's get reasonable here, 99,9% of the average users don't have any kind of 'significant' data stored on Google. The only thing Google does is trying to with the info is get them to use their products so they make money off the companies that advertise/whatnot via Google. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that my 'online persona' that browses teamliquid, watches episodes of various shows, plays a bit of HoN and browses porn sites now and then is not of THAT much use to Google. Thinking that Google will use your data to come after you IS paranoia. Who is saying it's evil? Who is saying there is some "masterplan". Who is saying "they will come after you", whatever that's supposed to mean? They are (relatively) open about what they do and from there it's your choice, simple as that. Good for you that you have nothing to hide from Google, a lot of people do though. And that doesn't make them paranoid, at all. Oh yeah, btw, wtf are you people doing with your Firefox? I can't remember that it ever ever crashed on me and I use it 24/7 with 5 million tabs open. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
Everything that speaks for Chrome: It starts faster and is faster to use. It benchmarks very good and I can really feel the difference. A few sites I use that have very heavy flash elements makes firefox crash and sometimes videos lag a little. The design is minimalistic and you get more space out of every page. As a google wave fan this is important since the workspace there is much smaller then Word to begin with. The addon scene will probably progress fast as many developers will try to get their addons to chrome asap and all the ideas are already there and maybe chrome can be as good at this front eventually even though I have doubts. Everything that speaks for Firefox Much better settings and information for the user. Rightclick any page and get detailed siteinfo. More things possible for the advanced user and also for addon makers. The adblocks to chrome works differently because it's not possible to block ads the way it works in firefox, instead they hide the ads. For this results in many of the block stuff for chrome also changes the layout of the page. This also speaks for firefox because overall I believe addons will be stronger for firefox. Firefox newest version stopped many(all) of my problems with Flash but is still slower. Flash will perish eventually though and until then Firefox will keep getting faster and better to handle it. I trust Mozilla to keep up the good work more then I trust google. So much like Chrome is getting better on the addon front firefox is getting better when it comes to handling flash difference being that you only need that good compability with flash before the users stop noticing while addons is much deeper. Firefox has no extra annoying processes that updates it, this makes it slower to start since it updates everything before it starts should a new version of something be available but as a reward no extra processes and being a Nazi with my processes this is a good thing. Chrome has a cleaner look but is hard to customize for addons why they all pretty much ad a button next to the adressbar or inside the adressbar and that's just stupid. Firefox sneaks a button in here and there and I like that so much more. And even though the addons for Chrome feels more lightweight when installing them those buttons feels like they are made of lead. Firefox is less evil but this is not an issue for me. Yes ads are customized towards me but I never click any. Reason being I block 90% or more with addons and almost every one that slips through is mentally blocked. I take all ads for scams and would never click them anyways. Google analytics sucks the juice out of my browsing regardless of browser. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Resorting to personal attacks will do nothing to promoting your ill-guided opinions, you sorry little fool. One crash a week isn't nearly enough to warrant calling a piece of software inferior irregradless of all its other functionalities. | ||
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