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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:04 skindzer wrote: Gotta say sagaz post its like the only neutral one ive read from a chilean here. Doubt anyone on TL cares about Chile tough. I i care :/ | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
ps: send me your iccup akas in a mp please!! | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
His supporters did participate on dicatorship, and that's where all good things during that regime came from, aka economical growth. Unlike the rest of south america, Chile chose not to sell itself to lefist populist and corrupt movements, aka Venezuela and Argentina. Op is a biased lefist with no idea about economics nor abour history. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On January 18 2010 11:54 SagaZ wrote: Ok, to clarify and de-dramatize the situation, chilean politics is like this: As in alot of political system we will say that there a right, a left and a center. Years ago, a dictator had the power and of course did horrible things, this guy coming from the military was from the right side (extreme right) now there have been something like 20 years of left governament, each one of those getting closer to center political views as time passed. In the more modern elections, the last round took place between this slightly left polititians and the slightly right politicians. this year is no diferent, the only diference is that the other dude (the one from the right side) won. So, i can't aggre with puting the modern right politicians in the same basket as dictator pinochet because they are in a comon (but very large) sector. Keep in mind that right governement are nothing new, US has a political system dominated by right ideology and they don't go around torturing peope (well... they still kinda...), China is dominated by a left ideology and are alot closer to this abusive society you're trying to paint here. Saying Piñera is in the same sector that the guy that tortured and killed people is as dumb as saying Frei, or Bachelet is the same as those like Mao or Staline. So, the rest about saying that the country needs a change is kinda true actually, Chile's financial stability is dependent of copper's market value and there is very little efforts to diversificate economic sectors, education is very poor, and the country is in the last worldwide place of inecualitys between the richest and the poorest. that being said, 20 years of left governements have done very little toward these isssues. lastly, concerning the wealth of the guy is completly aberant, don't forget that his opponent in the last round is also a rich mofo, mostly getting his money from his family's legacy. So yeah, not trying to start an argument about whose politic is the best, if that question had a simple answer, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have those elections. just don't go around saying stuff that are... basicaly... + Show Spoiler + bullshits. also this, most chileans like to put right wight politians as torturers or smth | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
Theres not much to say about this, its like making a topic saying "OMG OBAMA GOT ELECTED AMERICA IS TURNING INTO COMMUNISM." And before you start making assumptions, i didnt vote for him. You people need to understand that the social inequalities in Chile or other latin american countries go way back than the good or bad governments of the past years and cant be turned over in one or two governments. Altough i do understand that reading in the news something along the lines of "Billionaires Sebastian Piñera wins the election" (He DOES have that much money btw) makes it seem like a shady candidate, election or a banana country he has been involved in politics for a long time and we do have a solid enough constitution and "contraloria" (no fucking clue whats the english word for this) that will prevent any major corruption like "starting torturing people" or "giving it all to the high class". Plus you still have a parliament its not like hes the fucking king. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:06 GoTuNk! wrote: Piñera winning is very good for Chile. His supporters did participate on dicatorship, and that's where all good things during that regime came from, aka economical growth. Unlike the rest of south america, Chile chose not to sell itself to lefist populist and corrupt movements, aka Venezuela and Argentina. Op is a biased lefist with no idea about economics nor abour history. FFS dont you people understand that the past its not fucking black or white? | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
In Chile there's basically 4 political movements: One block is conformed by: Right wing conservative, which is represented by UDI, and would be republicans in the USA. Right wing liberals, which is represented by RN, where Piñera belongs and would be Democrats in the USA. The other one is formed by: Center-left catholic (they claim to be so) represented by DC (democracia cristiana) where Eduardo Frei belongs to (losing candidate) And left-wing parties, represented by PS (partido socialista) PPD (partido por la democracia) and PC (partido Comunist) | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:06 GoTuNk! wrote: Piñera winning is very good for Chile. His supporters did participate on dicatorship, and that's where all good things during that regime came from, aka economical growth. Unlike the rest of south america, Chile chose not to sell itself to lefist populist and corrupt movements, aka Venezuela and Argentina. Op is a biased lefist with no idea about economics nor abour history. Cmon Gotunk, dont be bm, your biased too, all people with a politic fomation or a formed opinion its biased, its not a sin. But telling that i have no idea about economics nor history ?? cmon i have a huge academic formation than you(and im older too), and you know, just keep this kind of acusation in our forum, in our language. His supporters and dictatorships are full of blood in their hands, theiy torturate my father for instance, and life its more important than economical growth, you must know that. You are so selfish about your knowledge about other realities, but you need learn respect and humility before talk about other countries and cultures. Here in tl.net you can learn a lot about, but really you need to get down from your cloud, and be respectful with others opinions. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:16 Saturnize wrote: Is there a country in latin america that isn't run by drug lords? ??? are you serious?? we are not for example! | ||
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coltrane
Chile988 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:15 GoTuNk! wrote: To clarify about Piñera's being either liberal or conservative, he's more liberal. In Chile there's basically 4 political movements: One block is conformed by: Right wing conservative, which is represented by UDI, and would be republicans in the USA. Right wing liberals, which is represented by RN, where Piñera belongs and would be Democrats in the USA. The other one is formed by: Center-left catholic (they claim to be so) represented by DC (democracia cristiana) where Eduardo Frei belongs to (losing candidate) And left-wing parties, represented by PS (partido socialista) PPD (partido por la democracia) and PC (partido Comunist) You are wrong. Our election system only accept 2 political blocks, even when we have more. We have way more than 4 political movements. You just named 5 or 6. In one side you have both, UDI and RN representing the right wing conservative and neoliberals. Piñera represented both of them. (they are liberlals just in what concern the economic liberalism, fuck the society) In the other you have DC, PPD and PS, representatives of a center left, like the european neo-socialism, progresive and liberals, they want changes in the social laws but they also want a economic liberalism. Frei was their candidate, he was a former president. And then we have the Comunist Party, the Humanist Party and the other left wing groups that cant have any representatives unless they make pacts with the center left. And the independents. No one of here get ever elected for anything. You are distorting truth, even when what you said was slightly correct, they way you said it is just a lie. That is how piraña won, controlling the truth | ||
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coltrane
Chile988 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:19 No_eL wrote: ??? are you serious?? we are not for example! actually, we are kind of now. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:04 nttea wrote: its so sad people keep falling for these right wing nuts time and time again T_T You're saying the left wing is always better? lol | ||
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coltrane
Chile988 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:35 Foucault wrote: You're saying the left wing is always better? lol Not always... but now it is for latinamerica. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:06 GoTuNk! wrote: Piñera winning is very good for Chile. His supporters did participate on dicatorship, and that's where all good things during that regime came from, aka economical growth. Unlike the rest of south america, Chile chose not to sell itself to lefist populist and corrupt movements, aka Venezuela and Argentina. Op is a biased lefist with no idea about economics nor abour history. Sure Piñera is not corrupt at all and your opinion is not even slightly biased. First Piñera may not be "corrupt" under the exact term definition, but when someone abuses private information to buy stokes from a company that will soon raise (and profit for that) or when someone gets caught spying and recording his political opponent telephone or maybe when someone gets special treatment and legal cover from the dictatorship after being accused of fraud, well you get the point, i dont know how that can be very good for Chile. If I was you i would be a little more careful when refering about other countries, since its not that easy to give a lecture about something you dont know about. As a side note im not too sure if Venezuela or Argentina sell themselves but im sure Chile did it to the right. I mean the guy has a public television channel, (and another from theyr supporters), an airline and 1200 million dollars to spend in makeup, surgery and publicity. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
This is hilarous. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On January 18 2010 10:49 evanthebouncy! wrote: come to america  where the presidents are better lawlz oh and where they recieve immigrant with open arms | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2356 Posts
On January 18 2010 15:16 Saturnize wrote: Is there a country in latin america that isn't run by drug lords? i think you are asking about Bolivia, evo morales was well known for his cocain business... maybe im wrong , cause i dont care that much about bolivian's politics... back to Piñera and his crew of zombies with tons of money, the problem that i see here is that they (the right wing) are the owners of almost everything, they own the papers news, TV channels, the economic power and now they have the goverment, so we are pretty much back to feudalism... but with credit cards.... we are under a really big ignorace bliss lead by the same people that will be in the goverment in next march... well some people is calling piñera the chilean Berlusconi, make an opinion urself | ||
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