I have a huge respect for US movie actors & directors such as kubrick, tarantino, de palma, coppola, carpenter etc ... (+long list); unfortunately usa also flood our movie theaters with pathetic comedies, stupid action movies and appaling(?) horror remakes. Because of it it is almost impossible to watch foreign movies (understand non-american movies), most of the time they are simply not scheduled and when they are it's usually for one or two days in the smallest and crappiest movie theater...
I would like to take advantage of the TL community who own members from all around the world to discover movies from your country.
Please make a small list of the best movies produced in your country by a local director/actors.
Write something like: I'm from zimbabwe and zimbabwe's best movies are: - xxx - xxx ...
Just a few swedish films I can come up with on the spot:
Evil Ed Så som i himmelen (As in heaven) Fucking Åmål, other swedes will prolly flame me now cuz it's a "fjortis-film" :D Nattbuss 807 Let the right one in. <- I haven't actually seen it myself yet but I keep hearing good things about it so I take my chances here
The main problem is that many foreign movies can only be found in their native language and even if they get subbed or dubbed you will lose some of the content ( the jokes and all the little subtilities ).
Sometimes a foreign film can success outside of its own country ( like Infernal Affairs, Old boy or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ) but usually they are just too subtile to be enjoyed by a foreigner.
I could make a list but i'm quite sure that you would not be able to find like 95% of it.
Lilja-4-ever (russian / swedish) may perhaps not be the best movie of all time or the most epic movie of all time or the most whatever us movies are, but I consider it one of the most powerful, ground-shaking, down-to-Earth, down-to-reality, lesson-giver, eye-opener, make you get on your knees and say thank you every day for what you are and what you have movie.
it's a truly shocking movie of the reality of this world and this life, and it's powered on the fact that's based on a real story.
I am a huge fan of foreign movies, I utterly recommend:
Die blechtrommel (German) - unusual script and movie, almost 4 hours long yet never boring Die welle (German) - a gem das experiment (german) - a weird movie, yet good Fucking Amal (sweden) - Y tu mama tambien (mexico) - a sad movie about the plots and twists and odd turns of life la reine margot (french) aka queen margot - sort of biographic Karakter (dutch) - good perfomances camille claudel (french) - a biographic about the genius french sculptor festen (danish) - an excellent dogma '95 movie la noche de los lapices (argentina) - a biographic about argentina's death camps in the 70s/80s the grave of the fireflies (japan) - a WW2 cartoonish film that hasn't nothing cartoonish in it Dev D (India) la dolce vita - you can't go wrong with Fellini 8 1/2 - (read above) la vita e bella (italy) - perhaps one of the most known foreign movies nowadays.
- le salaire de la peur (french) - perhaps the only movie I've seen that at the end it makes you want to throw a hammer to the TV, hard to describe, you gotta see it, in the US is known as "wages of fear"
- bleu, blanc, red (poland) - these are a trilogy, I don't remember the name of the director, I think it's Kristof kkk..a..... he also has another movie called "a short film about love" which is awesome too.
- cidade de deus (brazil) - see it
- seven samurai, ran, yojimbo, kagemusha, rashomon (japan) - all from akira kurosawa. you may not like these maybe, cause they're somewhat of the equivalent of hollywood in japan, yet they're good.
- the seventh seal (sweden) - a movie about life and death. that is yes, life AND death.
- das boot (german) - a very interesting movie that tells WW2 from the german pov.
also I noticed you named a lot of high profile directors, kubrick being the highest, but you didn't mention david lynch. have you watched any of david lunch film's ? although american, his movies are anything but hollywoodish films and are true art.
City of God(Cidade de Deus) Life is Beautiful (La Vita e Bella) The Edge of Heaven(Auf der anderen Seite)
and +1 for Vengeance Trilogy and Old Boy
Edit: No Middle Eastern movies or any cinematic production produced here whether TV show/Movie because they just suck, well comedy is subjective, but the rest of it is meh productions that follow the same rehashed formula over and over again
On December 20 2009 14:09 rytas wrote: Just a few swedish films I can come up with on the spot:
Evil Ed Så som i himmelen (As in heaven) Fucking Åmål, other swedes will prolly flame me now cuz it's a "fjortis-film" :D Nattbuss 807 Let the right one in. <- I haven't actually seen it myself yet but I keep hearing good things about it so I take my chances here
wow "Let the right one in" is a really fucked up movie I mean who the fuck makes a movie like that.
These are some movies that I've watched in the past two years which stand out for me and so I'll recommend: Seven Swords (action with seven swords with kick-ass powers) The Myth (serious Jackie Chan movie and really well done, plus I love the theme song) Ip Man (this was a great movie... apparently my dad agrees too; he watched it 4 times in a row and didn't go to bed... lol, he has never watched a movie more than once) I really like Miyazaki movies from Studio Ghibli oh, also I STRONGLY recommend Grave of the Fireflies! oh yeah, and I just remembered, Nanking - the Movie (the version with Woody Harrelson)
I must recommend the Italian spagetti westerns, Sergio Leoni´s "For a few dollars more", "A fistfulll of dollars" and ofc. "The good, the bad and the ugly". They´re so refreshingly non-Hollywood style, a rare thing for a modern audience. Imo the best westerns ever made.
Singapore: -Homerun (local remake of 'children of heaven') -Where Got Ghost? (comedy/horror) -Money No Enough (comedy)
be aware that the language in the films are rather localized x_x and the movie industry here is quite new, so not they aren't exactly blockbusters. but they are good imo
On December 20 2009 14:21 Boblion wrote: The main problem is that many foreign movies can only be found in their native language and even if they get subbed or dubbed you will lose some of the content ( the jokes and all the little subtilities ).
Sometimes a foreign film can success outside of its own country ( like Infernal Affairs, Old boy or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ) but usually they are just too subtile to be enjoyed by a foreigner.
I could make a list but i'm quite sure that you would not be able to find like 95% of it.
LOL I can't tell if you're serious or not. Either way, what you're saying it totally ridiculous. You can love a movie and find it fascinating without understanding the language at all. Missing a joke or two because of bad subtitles? Oh how horrifying! A good movie isn't built upon language and dialogue, even though many movies are.
As for swedish movies, I don't like them at all but:
I'm more into asian movies than europeian movies to be honest.
Korean filmmaker Ki duk kim is one of the best directors of present-time. His best movies are Shi-gan AKA Time, Bad Guy, Seom AKA The Isle, but all his movies are worth watching. They are definitely not movies you need subtitles for, as he doesn't like to rely on spoken words. The most famous ones are Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring and Bin-Jip. He is quite known in the western side of the world because of appreciation in film festivals and the like, yet he is ironically hated in South Korea.
Japanese director Shohei Imamura is is a great, often historical, director with movies such as Kuroi Ame AKA Black Rain, Ballad of Narayama and Vengeance is Mine. To be honest I haven't seen all his movies yet, but I don't think he's made a bad movie.
Another Japanese director, Shunji Iwai, has made two great movies - I've seen most of them but Swallowtail and All About Lily Chou Chou are his best. Very melancholic and grim movies.
Sion Sono is a controversial japanese director, often involving difficult themes as religion & cults, suicide, media and a question of identity. Love Exposure is a genious 4 hour movie, other good movies from him are Noriko's Dinner Table and Suicide Circle.
Hideako Anno is often known as an anime director, having made Evangelion and other big franchises, has also made a few good live action movies, the best being Ritual.
I almost forgot Takeshi Kitano, one of Japan's most known directors. Has made good movies like Kids Return, Hana-bi and Kikujiro but his best movie is the artistic masterpiece Dolls.
Thailand also has a very good director, Pen-Ek Ratanaruang. His best movie is Last Life in the Universe.
I'm no expert on Chinese movies, I mostly know Taiwanese movies, as mainland ones have to be politically correct they are careful not to touch such subjects.
Edward Yang (Taiwan) has made the masterpiece A Brighter Summer Day and Yi Yi is one of his more known movies.
Ok there are many more but I'm done for now (I didn't include more classic directors like Bergman, Kurosawa etc because they're well known and also I'm more into present-time directors - which is not saying the past ones are worse).
Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
On December 20 2009 19:34 only_human89 wrote: Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
to me it sounds wierd that you're cannot spell in your own foriegn language. Most of us hate American movies, it's just that they keep popping up in cinema, probably because of the multimillion American industry trying to kill off all other cultures. It's not us 'foreigners' fault.
I watched a French film once. I believe it was called Amelie, or some other similar spelling of that name. Anyways, I enjoyed it. It had all sorts of awkward and quirky humor.
On December 20 2009 19:34 only_human89 wrote: Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
to me it sounds wierd that you're cannot spell in your own foriegn language. Most of us hate American movies, it's just that they keep popping up in cinema, probably because of the multimillion American industry trying to kill off all other cultures. It's not us 'foreigners' fault.
I don't watch a lot of movies in general. And I don't think Hollywood is trying to kill off other film cultures. You don't have to watch American film's after all, so somebody is definitely going to them. Otherwise they would not be screened in other countries. That or you could just flat out boycott them lol.
- A bout de souffle by Godard. - the trilogy by Lucas Belvaux : Cavale (On the Run); Un couple épatant (An Amazing Couple); Après la vie (After the Life) - La double vie de véronique by Krzysztof Kieslowski - Le dîner de cons by Francis Veber is pretty hilarious
French directors I recommend in general : Godard, Resnais, Truffaut, Renoir
A couple of random American recommendations that should fit your taste : Cool Hand Luke, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The sting, The apartment, Fury.
On December 20 2009 19:34 only_human89 wrote: Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
to me it sounds wierd that you're cannot spell in your own foriegn language. Most of us hate American movies, it's just that they keep popping up in cinema, probably because of the multimillion American industry trying to kill off all other cultures. It's not us 'foreigners' fault.
I don't watch a lot of movies in general. And I don't think Hollywood is trying to kill off other film cultures. You don't have to watch American film's after all, so somebody is definitely going to them. Otherwise they would not be screened in other countries. That or you could just flat out boycott them lol.
People could boycott them as individuals, but you realize people (as in masses) doesn't always look for a taste in movies themselves but rather watch the movies that are being marketed towards them? The huge financing and influence of Hollywood corporations does that better than anything else. If we can only watch Hollywood movies at our local cinema and can only rent Hollywood DVDs, what do you think is going to happen? You think it doesn't slowly kill off other movie industries as people begin to assimilate that shit?
Battle Royale - Japan Crouching Tiger, Hiden Dragon - China Hero - China Infernal Affairs - Japan the "Vengeance" serie - Korea Ong-bak - Thailand Shaolin Soccer - China (Steven Cho) kung fu hustle - China (Steven Cho) Suicide Circle - Japan The Art Of Fighting - Korea Yamakasi - France Banlieue 13 - France Nikita - France Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain - France (The Music by Yann Tiersen is Fantastic) Cidade De Deus - Brazil Kopps - Sweden Jägarna - Sweden Akira - Japan Grave Of The Fireflies - Japan
Show's how people think about ticket controllers in Budapest but it's also a lot deeper than that. The thing I like about it is that it portrays the indifference of city people towards each other and also the pessimism and resignation that is so typical for a lot of hungarian people. It stands out from the usual hungarian movie scene. I think they wanted to remake it in New York, dunno what happened to that though. It's an art film full of symbols, but it's also funny and there's some action too. Was a big hit and won some prize.
Well, maybe we should turn this into a "non-Hollywood" thread - since the indie scene in the US has some very good movies. Personally I dislike Hollywood in general, sure they make good movies once in a while, but one avarage it´s a business a.k.a. apealing to the lowest common denominator and a horrible lack of orginality and creativity. In 9 out of every 10 Hollywood films you´ve got a rough idea of how the whole movie´s gona turn out after 5-10 mins of watching.
That´s not to say I watch few Hollywood films since there´s almost literally nothing else to watch. Example of how supply shapes demand.
Well on topic, a few non-Hollywood films, "foreign" and indie, that come to mind:
Half Nelson - US indie - Loved it, had a huge impact on me.
Land and Freedom - UK - direct. Ken Loach, I love his stuff especially this film, being a bloody socialist myself.
Pans Labyrinth and The Orphanage - Spain - Guillermo del Toro.
Das Boot - Germany - Already mentioned, I vouch for it. Epic tragedy of a german U-96 U-Boat in WWII. Watch it with orginal german language for full impact.
And once again, cant really express my admiration in strong enough term for the Sergio Leoni´s spagetti westerns "A fistfull of dollars", "For a few dollars more" and "The good, the bad and the ugly" I think my point of Hollywood being monotonoeus and uncreative in style and content is best explained by contrasting Hollywood to these masterpieces of Italian cinema. Notice the difference in shooting(that is by cameras ) and the secenes and how violence it differently portraid than in typical Hollywood. How close-ups are used to tell the story and how the build-up to the violence is more important than the violent act itself.
Romanian here - not a big fan of the local cinema, but...
4 luni, 3 saptamâni si 2 zile - won the Golden Palm at Cannes in 2007, I personally disliked it even though it really *is* a good movie, it's just... uncomfortable to watch, in a way. It's slow-paced and minimalistic (on purpose), and while that makes for good "art", it's not very entertaining at all. Good movie, I found it hard to enjoy though.
Filantropica - another good romanian movie, but very different from 432, a lot more light-hearted and stuff.
As for other foreign movies, City of God is brilliant and if you enjoy that definitely watch Tropa de Elite - also brazilian, very similar style, but at the same time quite different. Well worth a watch.
Aaaaand... another movie I totally love, but it's a bit less popular I guess - Emir Kusturica's Black Cat, White Cat, it's a serbian movie (I think) but it deals with a gipsy community - a lovely comedy / romance that's surreal but feels extremely vivid and authentic at the same time. Definitely the kind of "love it or hate it" movie though.
AWESOME MOVIE. Watch it. it's about a brazilian special police unit that fights in favelas, it's about how fucked up it is when a rich kid buys weed at a local favela in rio and helps murder a kid the next day, it's about corruption, it's about a situation that's so fucked up that it's almost necessary to act inhuman.
Fanny och Alexander (Ingmar Bergman). http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0083922/ This movie is one of my favorites, watch it at Christmas and see the 5 hour version!
Ronja Rövardotter (Tage Danielsson). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088015/ Great adaption of Astrid Lindgrens classic tale, for children and adults alike.
I'm a big fan of old Japanese samurai movies, but I got a feeling a lot of people around here are as well, and that repeating the same names is not necessary :-) I recommend the 1954 Miyamoto Musashi trilogy. And all six 1970s movies of Lone Wolf and Cub for great fun :-)
On December 20 2009 19:34 only_human89 wrote: Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
to me it sounds wierd that you're cannot spell in your own foriegn language. Most of us hate American movies, it's just that they keep popping up in cinema, probably because of the multimillion American industry trying to kill off all other cultures. It's not us 'foreigners' fault.
What the fuck?
I'm abroad right now and you know why foreigners like shitty movies like Gamer and bad TV shows like How I Met Your Mother? It's not because the American entertainment industry tries to kill off other cultures; it's because mass culture here wants to see them. I've met more people who like them here than I ever have in the US. The myth of dependency theory is that it's a one way street. The American shows don't get the prime time slots, and they make up a minority of what's in the theater yet they still get more viewers, especially online.
Gegen die Wand/Head On (technically German, but about Turks and by a Turkish-German director, so they take credit for it.) Yol Günese Yolculuk Günesi Gördüm
Head On is the only one I'd consider great, compared to movies from the US/France/Italy, etc. Turkish movies are ok, but they tend to be overdramatic because the public flocks to it.
On December 20 2009 21:14 Froleson wrote: Pans Labyrinth and The Orphanage - Spain - Guillermo del Toro.
..both really great movies! Pan's Labyrinth was really well-done, too. I liked how all the creatures were produced (it's the same guy that did the Hellboy series).
I have found myself from time to time looking for foreign gems as well. I was really pleased when I watched The Twilight Samurai (Japan). It's slower paced, and based more on the story than any action (there isn't much at all) but I loved the movie. I felt connected to the main character.
On December 20 2009 22:24 dOofuS wrote: I have found myself from time to time looking for foreign gems as well. I was really pleased when I watched The Twilight Samurai (Japan). It's slower paced, and based more on the story than any action (there isn't much at all) but I loved the movie. I felt connected to the main character.
That was a beautiful movie. I watched it a few times. As well as Yôji Yamada's previous movie The Hidden Blade which dare I say I loved even more! They are both in my category of a masterpiece. And anyone who likes those two movies will love When The Last Sword is Drawn, incredible.
Fitzcarraldo (German) - Klaus Kinski, total nutcase, total genius , its about a man who wants to build an opera house in the jungle. You gotta see this, its brilliant^^.
Das Leben der Anderen (German) - about a stasi agent who gets absorbed by the lives of people he is wiretaping. I did not see it but it is supposed to be very good according to some friends, it won an Oscar and has an imdb rating of 8.5.
On December 20 2009 14:09 rytas wrote: Just a few swedish films I can come up with on the spot:
Evil Ed Så som i himmelen (As in heaven) Fucking Åmål, other swedes will prolly flame me now cuz it's a "fjortis-film" :D Nattbuss 807 Let the right one in. <- I haven't actually seen it myself yet but I keep hearing good things about it so I take my chances here
Dude... How could you forget about Ondskan? It even got Oscar nomination for the best foreign film in 2004.
On December 20 2009 23:01 aqui wrote: Fitzcarraldo (German) - Klaus Kinski, total nutcase, total genius , its about a man who wants to build an opera house in the jungle. You gotta see this, its brilliant^^.
Das Leben der Anderen (German) - about a stasi agent who gets absorbed by the lives of people he is wiretaping. I did not see it but it is supposed to be very good according to some friends, it won an Oscar and has an imdb rating of 8.5.
But now back on topic. Good polish movies to watch:
Dekalog (you can also check other works by this director, the Three Color series: Blue, White, Red; The Double Life of Veronique; Short Movie About Killing etc.) Dzień Świra
This are all deep movies, but what we do best is comedies.
Arunas Matelis - Pries parskrendant i zeme ( Before Flying Back to Earth ) A movie/documentary which was nominated for the best foreign movie of the year if i remember right o.o Not for the soft-hearted tho, this one's about children who are sick with cancer and their everyday experiences and life in the hospital.
On December 20 2009 19:34 only_human89 wrote: Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
to me it sounds wierd that you're cannot spell in your own foriegn language. Most of us hate American movies, it's just that they keep popping up in cinema, probably because of the multimillion American industry trying to kill off all other cultures. It's not us 'foreigners' fault.
What the fuck?
I'm abroad right now and you know why foreigners like shitty movies like Gamer and bad TV shows like How I Met Your Mother? It's not because the American entertainment industry tries to kill off other cultures; it's because mass culture here wants to see them. I've met more people who like them here than I ever have in the US. The myth of dependency theory is that it's a one way street. The American shows don't get the prime time slots, and they make up a minority of what's in the theater yet they still get more viewers, especially online.
Gegen die Wand/Head On (technically German, but about Turks and by a Turkish-German director, so they take credit for it.) Yol Günese Yolculuk Günesi Gördüm
Head On is the only one I'd consider great, compared to movies from the US/France/Italy, etc. Turkish movies are ok, but they tend to be overdramatic because the public flocks to it.
I don't know what country you reside in but in our movie theatres in Sweden there are definitely a lot of Hollywood movies, and you'd have to go to film festivals to see more than a few foreign movies (except Swedish movies) at a theatre. People are sheep and they want to see what's most easily available to them. They are just being brainwashed into believing American cinema is the best while Americans themselves can perhaps be more conscious of their own country.
Fatih Akin is a nice director yes, I've seen Head-On and some other of his movies. Head-On has a certain rawness to it, even when speaking of love, which I found refreshing.
My favorite Hungarian movie is Kontroll, as for romanian films, idk, Train of Life was quite good, altough that's a common project. 4 months 3 weeks and 2 days is said to be one of the best recently.
is it ok if I upload some of the movies I have mentioned ? I own all of them and can rip them into avi, without subtitles though, you'd have to look for them but I'm quite sure it should be that hard
On December 21 2009 01:15 proberecall wrote: how about this
is it ok if I upload some of the movies I have mentioned ? I own all of them and can rip them into avi, without subtitles though, you'd have to look for them but I'm quite sure it should be that hard
I can upload Lilja-4-ever for starters,
Your enthusiasm to share movies you view as good, is understandable. However I think this is not the right forums to do so. And rest assured that TL forum members are experienced in the mysterious ways of mother-Internet, and are very resourceful. Would anyone here wish to obtain a movie, one would do so easily. I think recommendations and review links will suffice.
On December 20 2009 14:09 rytas wrote: Just a few swedish films I can come up with on the spot:
Evil Ed Så som i himmelen (As in heaven) Fucking Åmål, other swedes will prolly flame me now cuz it's a "fjortis-film" :D Nattbuss 807 Let the right one in. <- I haven't actually seen it myself yet but I keep hearing good things about it so I take my chances here
wow "Let the right one in" is a really fucked up movie I mean who the fuck makes a movie like that.
Though it's a very good one.
It's based on a book
On December 20 2009 19:22 Shauni wrote:
Sion Sono is a controversial japanese director, often involving difficult themes as religion & cults, suicide, media and a question of identity. Love Exposure is a genious 4 hour movie, other good movies from him are Noriko's Dinner Table and Suicide Circle.
cool list A few days agoI finally managed to dl love exposure after having read about it a while ago but then I found out that a local "alternative" theatre is gonna play the movie on the 2nd and 3rd of january, really looking forward to that.
Btw if so. is gonna look for love exposure, make sure you dont end up watching the trailer for the korean movie "love exposure"... I was really confused when I saw the trailer of some shitty sex and the city like love movie bullshit.
Some German movies I've liked (I dont watch many though I must admit) some of them were already mentioned:
Das Leben der Anderen - got an Oscar over Pan's Labyrinth, very good movie Lammbock - If you like getting stoned, and want a good comedy about it watch this Das Boot - Classic
Anything by Werner Herzog, his latest movies have been english though (like Grizzly man, great documentary)
-Trainspotting -Anything by Mike Leigh, in particular Abigails Party (TV film) and, well...Vera Drake is the most famous I guess, but all good. - Theres a movie called "My Brother Tom" which I'd call one of my top10 favourite films, but its very hard to find anywhere, even in UK (might be on google video though I think) - Monty Python films. - Four Weddings and Funeral and The Full Monty. Among the best British comedies. - Once - In the Loop
On December 20 2009 19:34 only_human89 wrote: Why do other countries watch American movies so much? Don't you have you're own movie industries? To me it sounds wierd that foriegn movies will be considered anything non-American for the sake of this thread lol.
to me it sounds wierd that you're cannot spell in your own foriegn language. Most of us hate American movies, it's just that they keep popping up in cinema, probably because of the multimillion American industry trying to kill off all other cultures. It's not us 'foreigners' fault.
What the fuck?
I'm abroad right now and you know why foreigners like shitty movies like Gamer and bad TV shows like How I Met Your Mother? It's not because the American entertainment industry tries to kill off other cultures; it's because mass culture here wants to see them. I've met more people who like them here than I ever have in the US. The myth of dependency theory is that it's a one way street. The American shows don't get the prime time slots, and they make up a minority of what's in the theater yet they still get more viewers, especially online.
Gegen die Wand/Head On (technically German, but about Turks and by a Turkish-German director, so they take credit for it.) Yol Günese Yolculuk Günesi Gördüm
Head On is the only one I'd consider great, compared to movies from the US/France/Italy, etc. Turkish movies are ok, but they tend to be overdramatic because the public flocks to it.
I don't know what country you reside in but in our movie theatres in Sweden there are definitely a lot of Hollywood movies, and you'd have to go to film festivals to see more than a few foreign movies (except Swedish movies) at a theatre. People are sheep and they want to see what's most easily available to them. They are just being brainwashed into believing American cinema is the best while Americans themselves can perhaps be more conscious of their own country.
Fatih Akin is a nice director yes, I've seen Head-On and some other of his movies. Head-On has a certain rawness to it, even when speaking of love, which I found refreshing.
I'm in Turkey, and American cinema/tv is better than Turkish cinema/tv, but I don't think they're watching it simply because of marketing. Most of the kids here watch it on Megavideo, not tv. You're right that the general public makes questionable choices, but it's the same as in the US and I don't think it's simply because of cultural imperialism. Shows like Mad Men and Friday Night Lights get plenty of publicity and are pushed like crazy, but most people just don't watch them. I'd criticize the public, not "multi-million dollar American entertainment industry" for that.
On December 20 2009 14:21 Boblion wrote: The main problem is that many foreign movies can only be found in their native language and even if they get subbed or dubbed you will lose some of the content ( the jokes and all the little subtilities ).
Sometimes a foreign film can success outside of its own country ( like Infernal Affairs, Old boy or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ) but usually they are just too subtile to be enjoyed by a foreigner.
I could make a list but i'm quite sure that you would not be able to find like 95% of it.
LOL I can't tell if you're serious or not. Either way, what you're saying it totally ridiculous. You can love a movie and find it fascinating without understanding the language at all. Missing a joke or two because of bad subtitles? Oh how horrifying! A good movie isn't built upon language and dialogue, even though many movies are.
Well people have different definitions of what a good movie is. Personal tastes you know ... which depends quite a lot of your culture and ... of your country. As i said some foreign movie can achieve blockbuster status but still ... there a lot more who can't not because they are worse but because they have less exposition or because it is hard to identify oneself with the characters or the situation if you aren't born in the very same culture ...
For example i have recommanded here a couple of times "Man bites dog" and all the American people who watched it said it was meh and not funny. Why ? Because they don't get the jokes, all the references and the hilarious Belgian accent. I really wonder how you can translate the joke about the petit Grégory for example. How could you get it if you are not French or Wallon ?
And yea before you make your answer " but is just one joke blablabla ", i just want to point out that i don't want to write about every small references you won't get in every French movie i liked.
So my advice is that people should only watch foreign "mainstream" movies or blockbusters ( People have made some nice lists so far ). Some movies are only accessible if you are deeply immersed in country X culture and i would definitly not recommend this kind of films to the average TL teenager who might find it uninteresting.
Another example of a very good mainstream foreign film: Good Bye Lenin !
On December 20 2009 14:09 rytas wrote: Just a few swedish films I can come up with on the spot:
Evil Ed Så som i himmelen (As in heaven) Fucking Åmål, other swedes will prolly flame me now cuz it's a "fjortis-film" :D Nattbuss 807 Let the right one in. <- I haven't actually seen it myself yet but I keep hearing good things about it so I take my chances here
Dude... How could you forget about Ondskan? It even got Oscar nomination for the best foreign film in 2004.
On December 20 2009 23:01 aqui wrote: Fitzcarraldo (German) - Klaus Kinski, total nutcase, total genius , its about a man who wants to build an opera house in the jungle. You gotta see this, its brilliant^^.
Das Leben der Anderen (German) - about a stasi agent who gets absorbed by the lives of people he is wiretaping. I did not see it but it is supposed to be very good according to some friends, it won an Oscar and has an imdb rating of 8.5.
But now back on topic. Good polish movies to watch:
Dekalog (you can also check other works by this director, the Three Color series: Blue, White, Red; The Double Life of Veronique; Short Movie About Killing etc.) Dzień Świra
This are all deep movies, but what we do best is comedies.
I have also provided the IMDB links so you can check out the english titles there.
I suppose Ondskan didn't quite do it for me, it's not a bad movie obviously so it could go on the list, but I completely forgot about it, it's not very special to me...
I'm not into anime or manga at all, but every film of Hayao Miyazaki leaves me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. I strongly suggest watching Mononoke-hime and Sin chirihiro no kamikakuzi(Spirited away, 100% sure I spelled the original name wrong)
I'm also not really big into anime either but the japanese film "memories" is awesome.. it's 3 short stories originally written by katsuhiro otomo (who directs the last segment himself) (of akira fame). (<-playlist link) only other one I know of off the top of my head is the italian horror film "cemetary man"
Old Boy(korean) - vengence movie Host(korean) - monster movie Friend(korean) - sort of like a gang movie Silmido(korean) - military movie Der untergang(german) - last days of hitler in his bunker my sassy girl(korean) - cute chick flick taegukgi brotherhood of war (korean) - korean war movie, very epic
On December 21 2009 01:10 Geo.Rion wrote: I'm a Hunarian from Romania
My favorite Hungarian movie is Kontroll, as for romanian films, idk, Train of Life was quite good, altough that's a common project. 4 months 3 weeks and 2 days is said to be one of the best recently.
Love Exposure is so good! Here's my post from the other movie thread: I saw it at the Nippon Connection (a japanese film festival in Germany). It's 237 min. long and not a minute boring. Honestly. + Show Spoiler [Desciption] +
[...] But now he’s gone and out-done himself with a four-hour movie about faith, religion, pornography, upskirt photography, fighting females and the Virgin Mary all scored to the insistent, pounding, slow-burning climax of Ravel’s “Bolero.” Based on the life of one of Sono’s friends, LOVE EXPOSURE is all about Yu, the son of a Catholic priest who loses his religion when his mother dies. Obsessed with sin and confession, Dad criticizes the state of his son’s spotless soul, claiming that his confessions are weak and simple and that he must confess real sins. Unable to make anything up, there’s nothing for Yu to do but become a sinner, and so the confused kid learns the ninja-tastic martial art of taking up-skirt photographs. Now a full-fledged pornographer he’s really got something to confess, earning beatings from his shocked dad. But in the middle of his new career, while dressed (as the result of losing a bet) as Sasori, the hero of a series of 70’s women-in-prison movies, Yu meets the love of his life, Yoko (Hikari Mitsushima), who’s in the middle of beating up a bunch of horrible men. Drag-clad Yu jumps into the fray and that’s when things get complicated. A villainess appears in the person of the giggling young schoolgirl, Aya (Sakura Ando) who shows up, stroking her green parakeet the way a Bond villain strokes his white cat, and soon she’s manipulating these two star-crossed lovers in the name of the cult for which she works, the Zero Church. [...] LOVE EXPOSURE has proven to be one of the biggest arthouse hits of all time in Japan, running for well over three months to sold-out shows, packed with teenagers. In this movie Sono pulls porn up from the gutter, and religion down from the heavens until the two meet and the most debased and the most divine become mirror images of each other, an alchemical marriage as breathtaking as turning lead into gold. Full of astonishing moments, you’ll see God in an upskirt photograph, and you’ll see an abuse victim in the Virgin Mary’s face. (Source)
Hm...some of my favorite foreign films.... Angel-A Banlieu 13 + Banlieu 13: Ultimatum Europa Europa Oldboy Sympathy for Mister Vengeance Sympathy for Lady Vengeance Shiri Kick the Moon (great comedy) Run Lola Run Seven Samurai Rashoumon Hidden Fortress Zatoichi Ong-bak & Ong-bak 2 Sex is Zero & Sex is Zero 2 And...more.......many many more...
On December 20 2009 14:21 Boblion wrote: The main problem is that many foreign movies can only be found in their native language and even if they get subbed or dubbed you will lose some of the content ( the jokes and all the little subtilities ).
Sometimes a foreign film can success outside of its own country ( like Infernal Affairs, Old boy or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ) but usually they are just too subtile to be enjoyed by a foreigner.
I could make a list but i'm quite sure that you would not be able to find like 95% of it.
LOL I can't tell if you're serious or not. Either way, what you're saying it totally ridiculous. You can love a movie and find it fascinating without understanding the language at all. Missing a joke or two because of bad subtitles? Oh how horrifying! A good movie isn't built upon language and dialogue, even though many movies are.
Well people have different definitions of what a good movie is. Personal tastes you know ... which depends quite a lot of your culture and ... of your country. As i said some foreign movie can achieve blockbuster status but still ... there a lot more who can't not because they are worse but because they have less exposition or because it is hard to identify oneself with the characters or the situation if you aren't born in the very same culture ...
For example i have recommanded here a couple of times "Man bites dog" and all the American people who watched it said it was meh and not funny. Why ? Because they don't get the jokes, all the references and the hilarious Belgian accent. I really wonder how you can translate the joke about the petit Grégory for example. How could you get it if you are not French or Wallon ?
And yea before you make your answer " but is just one joke blablabla ", i just want to point out that i don't want to write about every small references you won't get in every French movie i liked.
So my advice is that people should only watch foreign "mainstream" movies or blockbusters ( People have made some nice lists so far ). Some movies are only accessible if you are deeply immersed in country X culture and i would definitly not recommend this kind of films to the average TL teenager who might find it uninteresting.
Another example of a very good mainstream foreign film: Good Bye Lenin !
I actually wanted to post this even before I read this post of yours: imo, comedies are THE main kind of movie where you are right, there really can be quite a bit lost in translation. But in other genres I think it's much less of a problem, some things might seem strange in other countries / cultures, but I dont think it's that much of a problem as long as youre open minded about it.
Oh yeah forgot Good Bye Lenin in my list.
Also wanna add all the movies by Anders Thomas Jensen that I have seen so far, even though they've been mentioned already
in china they eat dogs (and to some extent its sequel "old men in new cars", definitely not as good as the first one though) green butchers adams apples
In china they eat dogs is sort of an action comedy and very simple to enjoy, while the last 2 are pretty absurd black comedies, so probably not for everyone, but they are great movies nonetheless. (The first two he didnt direct, just wrote the script for them, the last two he directed and wrote)
Oh and whoops, forgot the movie that I just finished 2 hours ago:
After the Wedding, another danish movie with the script co-written by Jensen, but this one's very different, it's actually a very serious drama about + Show Spoiler +
a guy who realizes that he's had a daughter for 20 years, his ex had moved on and didnt tell him until she meets her whole family at his daughters wedding
It's quite difficult to talk about without spoiling anything so I'll leave it at that. But it's a good movie with brilliant acting, like many of Jensens movies starring Mads Mikkelsen (he played the baddie in Casino Royale) Dont watch it if you dont like the emotional / sad type of movies though Also I recommend to watch this movie alone, the others are definitely suited for watching them in company
Love Exposure is so good! Here's my post from the other movie thread: I saw it at the Nippon Connection (a japanese film festival in Germany). It's 237 min. long and not a minute boring. Honestly. + Show Spoiler [Desciption] +
[...] But now he’s gone and out-done himself with a four-hour movie about faith, religion, pornography, upskirt photography, fighting females and the Virgin Mary all scored to the insistent, pounding, slow-burning climax of Ravel’s “Bolero.” Based on the life of one of Sono’s friends, LOVE EXPOSURE is all about Yu, the son of a Catholic priest who loses his religion when his mother dies. Obsessed with sin and confession, Dad criticizes the state of his son’s spotless soul, claiming that his confessions are weak and simple and that he must confess real sins. Unable to make anything up, there’s nothing for Yu to do but become a sinner, and so the confused kid learns the ninja-tastic martial art of taking up-skirt photographs. Now a full-fledged pornographer he’s really got something to confess, earning beatings from his shocked dad. But in the middle of his new career, while dressed (as the result of losing a bet) as Sasori, the hero of a series of 70’s women-in-prison movies, Yu meets the love of his life, Yoko (Hikari Mitsushima), who’s in the middle of beating up a bunch of horrible men. Drag-clad Yu jumps into the fray and that’s when things get complicated. A villainess appears in the person of the giggling young schoolgirl, Aya (Sakura Ando) who shows up, stroking her green parakeet the way a Bond villain strokes his white cat, and soon she’s manipulating these two star-crossed lovers in the name of the cult for which she works, the Zero Church. [...] LOVE EXPOSURE has proven to be one of the biggest arthouse hits of all time in Japan, running for well over three months to sold-out shows, packed with teenagers. In this movie Sono pulls porn up from the gutter, and religion down from the heavens until the two meet and the most debased and the most divine become mirror images of each other, an alchemical marriage as breathtaking as turning lead into gold. Full of astonishing moments, you’ll see God in an upskirt photograph, and you’ll see an abuse victim in the Virgin Mary’s face. (Source)
On December 21 2009 05:27 garista wrote: Nice selection Shauni.
Love Exposure is so good! Here's my post from the other movie thread: I saw it at the Nippon Connection (a japanese film festival in Germany). It's 237 min. long and not a minute boring. Honestly. + Show Spoiler [Desciption] +
[...] But now he’s gone and out-done himself with a four-hour movie about faith, religion, pornography, upskirt photography, fighting females and the Virgin Mary all scored to the insistent, pounding, slow-burning climax of Ravel’s “Bolero.” Based on the life of one of Sono’s friends, LOVE EXPOSURE is all about Yu, the son of a Catholic priest who loses his religion when his mother dies. Obsessed with sin and confession, Dad criticizes the state of his son’s spotless soul, claiming that his confessions are weak and simple and that he must confess real sins. Unable to make anything up, there’s nothing for Yu to do but become a sinner, and so the confused kid learns the ninja-tastic martial art of taking up-skirt photographs. Now a full-fledged pornographer he’s really got something to confess, earning beatings from his shocked dad. But in the middle of his new career, while dressed (as the result of losing a bet) as Sasori, the hero of a series of 70’s women-in-prison movies, Yu meets the love of his life, Yoko (Hikari Mitsushima), who’s in the middle of beating up a bunch of horrible men. Drag-clad Yu jumps into the fray and that’s when things get complicated. A villainess appears in the person of the giggling young schoolgirl, Aya (Sakura Ando) who shows up, stroking her green parakeet the way a Bond villain strokes his white cat, and soon she’s manipulating these two star-crossed lovers in the name of the cult for which she works, the Zero Church. [...] LOVE EXPOSURE has proven to be one of the biggest arthouse hits of all time in Japan, running for well over three months to sold-out shows, packed with teenagers. In this movie Sono pulls porn up from the gutter, and religion down from the heavens until the two meet and the most debased and the most divine become mirror images of each other, an alchemical marriage as breathtaking as turning lead into gold. Full of astonishing moments, you’ll see God in an upskirt photograph, and you’ll see an abuse victim in the Virgin Mary’s face. (Source)
On December 21 2009 05:27 garista wrote: Nice selection Shauni.
Love Exposure is so good! Here's my post from the other movie thread: I saw it at the Nippon Connection (a japanese film festival in Germany). It's 237 min. long and not a minute boring. Honestly. + Show Spoiler [Desciption] +
[...] But now he’s gone and out-done himself with a four-hour movie about faith, religion, pornography, upskirt photography, fighting females and the Virgin Mary all scored to the insistent, pounding, slow-burning climax of Ravel’s “Bolero.” Based on the life of one of Sono’s friends, LOVE EXPOSURE is all about Yu, the son of a Catholic priest who loses his religion when his mother dies. Obsessed with sin and confession, Dad criticizes the state of his son’s spotless soul, claiming that his confessions are weak and simple and that he must confess real sins. Unable to make anything up, there’s nothing for Yu to do but become a sinner, and so the confused kid learns the ninja-tastic martial art of taking up-skirt photographs. Now a full-fledged pornographer he’s really got something to confess, earning beatings from his shocked dad. But in the middle of his new career, while dressed (as the result of losing a bet) as Sasori, the hero of a series of 70’s women-in-prison movies, Yu meets the love of his life, Yoko (Hikari Mitsushima), who’s in the middle of beating up a bunch of horrible men. Drag-clad Yu jumps into the fray and that’s when things get complicated. A villainess appears in the person of the giggling young schoolgirl, Aya (Sakura Ando) who shows up, stroking her green parakeet the way a Bond villain strokes his white cat, and soon she’s manipulating these two star-crossed lovers in the name of the cult for which she works, the Zero Church. [...] LOVE EXPOSURE has proven to be one of the biggest arthouse hits of all time in Japan, running for well over three months to sold-out shows, packed with teenagers. In this movie Sono pulls porn up from the gutter, and religion down from the heavens until the two meet and the most debased and the most divine become mirror images of each other, an alchemical marriage as breathtaking as turning lead into gold. Full of astonishing moments, you’ll see God in an upskirt photograph, and you’ll see an abuse victim in the Virgin Mary’s face. (Source)
Korea - Save the Green Planet Japan - Graveyard of Honor (Miike version) Taiwan - Yi Yi Australia - Chopper New Zealand - Once Were Warriors Sweden - Cries and Whispers France - Le Samourai Germany - Aguirre Spain - Cronos UK - Don't Look Now
On December 20 2009 20:45 Horiz0n wrote: Battle Royale - Japan Crouching Tiger, Hiden Dragon - China Hero - China Infernal Affairs - Japan the "Vengeance" serie - Korea Ong-bak - Thailand Shaolin Soccer - China (Steven Cho) kung fu hustle - China (Steven Cho) Suicide Circle - Japan The Art Of Fighting - Korea Yamakasi - France Banlieue 13 - France Nikita - France Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain - France (The Music by Yann Tiersen is Fantastic) Cidade De Deus - Brazil Kopps - Sweden Jägarna - Sweden Akira - Japan Grave Of The Fireflies - Japan
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btw, not sure if movies like shaolin soccer would be considered exceptional when watched outside their native language....
Ip Man - really cool hong kong movie starring donnie yen as ip man (pronounced yeep mun), bruce lee's master. Has incredible wingchun fight scenes, and other styles as well.
Pan's Labyrinth is well enough known to the US that I guess it doesn't really need to be mentioned again, but I'll do it anyways because it's a great movie that warrants this special treatment.
From USA, but watch a lot of Spanish movies because of my back ground.
Would recommend "Sin Nombre" aka "Without a Name". It's really good and it shows at what lengths people from middle and south America go to, to try and come to the US for a better life. Really leaves an impact on you if you have a Spanish background and know about his stuff. It also shows how hardcore gangs can be by depicting them in a very realistic way. I've heard real life stories of the things people have gone through when they try to do what is shown in the film so the movie is very realistic.
On December 20 2009 14:23 daz wrote: some good serbian movies are anything by Emir Kusturica, especially Underground and Black Cat, White Cat
Pretty village, pretty flame/Lepa sela lepo gore is also a movie you cannot go past by when talking of modern Serbian films. For me, it is easily one of the best war movies of all time. Also, given the period in which it was filmed and released, it is also a suprisingly unbiased movie (proven by the fact that all three sides have accused it of being biased against them at some point or another ). If you do not mind watching older movies, Who`s Singing over There/Ko to tamo peva is considered one of the best movies of Yugoslav cinema.
As for Slovenian movies (I was born and raised in Slovenia), there is not a whole lot of them which I can recommend, both beacuse I did not watch that many and also beacuse not many of them are that good. However, if you somehow manage to get subtitles for it, Outsider/Autsajder is definitely worth a watch.
I think the reason why American movies/shows have so much viewership outside the US proper has a lot to do with the fact that the various national movie industries of individual countries are weaker and less developed compared to the US one. Plus, US movies tend to cover a lot of different topics, whereas other movie industries are more limited in what they can do.
EDIT: Oh and thanks to BuGzlToOnl for reminding me with that poster. The Motorcycle Diaries/Diarios de motocicleta is not a bad movie either. It's not the best movie, but it is still an interesting movie and potrays Ernesto "Che" Guevara in a very different light.
I'm a big fan of Zhang Yimou and would recommend most of his movies. His work from before 2000 have a very honest, touching, simple-life flavour to them delivered through his amazing use of colors and beautiful scenes. His movies are also a pretty good reflection of the average Chinese person's life, you know, outside the big cities like SH, HK and BJ.
Xingfu shiguang (2000) About a blind girl that comes to the city to work as a masseuse and meets a man (played by zhao ben shan who is an absolutely amazing actor) who builds a fake massage house for her because he can't stand seeing her fail at her dream. Very touching movie with little comedic bits thrown in here and there.
Yi ge dou bu neng shao (1999) A girl in the countryside tries to teach a class of kids when one of the kids run away. She goes on a journey into the big city to get him back. Very touching as well and shows how life is like in the very poor places of rural China.
Wo de fu qin mu qin (1999) Probably the movie that made Zhang Ziyi famous. A very sweet love story about two people in rural China. Very sweet and heart warming I loved this movie.
Huozhe (1994) A good hard look at the darkest ages of China. A real tragic movie that shows how fucked up the situation in China used to be.
Hong gao liang (1987) A village is invaded by Japanese soldiers and the people fight to their last breath. Nothing more to say really. If I remember correctly, this is the movie that made Zhang Yimou famous.
On December 21 2009 05:27 garista wrote: Nice selection Shauni.
Love Exposure is so good! Here's my post from the other movie thread: I saw it at the Nippon Connection (a japanese film festival in Germany). It's 237 min. long and not a minute boring. Honestly. + Show Spoiler [Desciption] +
[...] But now he’s gone and out-done himself with a four-hour movie about faith, religion, pornography, upskirt photography, fighting females and the Virgin Mary all scored to the insistent, pounding, slow-burning climax of Ravel’s “Bolero.” Based on the life of one of Sono’s friends, LOVE EXPOSURE is all about Yu, the son of a Catholic priest who loses his religion when his mother dies. Obsessed with sin and confession, Dad criticizes the state of his son’s spotless soul, claiming that his confessions are weak and simple and that he must confess real sins. Unable to make anything up, there’s nothing for Yu to do but become a sinner, and so the confused kid learns the ninja-tastic martial art of taking up-skirt photographs. Now a full-fledged pornographer he’s really got something to confess, earning beatings from his shocked dad. But in the middle of his new career, while dressed (as the result of losing a bet) as Sasori, the hero of a series of 70’s women-in-prison movies, Yu meets the love of his life, Yoko (Hikari Mitsushima), who’s in the middle of beating up a bunch of horrible men. Drag-clad Yu jumps into the fray and that’s when things get complicated. A villainess appears in the person of the giggling young schoolgirl, Aya (Sakura Ando) who shows up, stroking her green parakeet the way a Bond villain strokes his white cat, and soon she’s manipulating these two star-crossed lovers in the name of the cult for which she works, the Zero Church. [...] LOVE EXPOSURE has proven to be one of the biggest arthouse hits of all time in Japan, running for well over three months to sold-out shows, packed with teenagers. In this movie Sono pulls porn up from the gutter, and religion down from the heavens until the two meet and the most debased and the most divine become mirror images of each other, an alchemical marriage as breathtaking as turning lead into gold. Full of astonishing moments, you’ll see God in an upskirt photograph, and you’ll see an abuse victim in the Virgin Mary’s face. (Source)
Buying is not an option? What about a video rental store? I mean, there are those that only have the latest mainstream shit and then there are others. Same with theaters.
On April 14 2010 09:28 yeeuniie wrote: Where can I find these movies? My friends usually make me watch cheesy chick flicks. I also can't bittorrent because I live at an university... any ideas?
The Orphanage - Spain I loved this movie, but I won't watch it again unless it's with a bunch of my friends. A psychological horror/thriller that is extremely engaging and spooky with great use of film techniques, storyline and acting to suck you right in. For a viewers who are mostly exposed to Hollywood horrors, this is a refreshing change that is intellectually engaging and actually scary. Watch this, and you'll be sleeping with the light on for days.
City of God - Brazil A period drama describing the life of the young and underprivileged of Rio de Janeiro who live in the ironically named "City of God". It is an engaging movie with effective use of flashbacks to aid story progression. A very engaging and immersive film.
Others: Mongol - Kazakhstan Ip Man - China Fearless - China The Damned United - UK 12 Angry Men - US The Godfather - US The Prestige - US
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