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tinman
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States287 Posts
December 07 2009 16:32 GMT
#21
First of all, your little project here already assumes agreement on a number of points before you even roll out with the numbered statements. You assume that everyone in the discussion might agree on what constitutes agreement, as well as what constitutes a TL member (that mysterious creature).

Those are what you might call quibbling objections, but they illustrate a more fundamental problem with your execution, namely the uncritical use of language.

The crusader and the Turk he fought against both used the word (or a word we translate as) "God." This doesn't mean that they both referred to the same thing. This doesn't even mean that they intended to refer to the same thing. In fact, the theological concepts which they each intended to signify were mutually incompatible. A term like "reality" is similarly loaded. You would not be able to establish a consensus on what that word means, much less establish consensus on an epistemological argument that includes that word. The same can be said for entity, property, human being, omniscient, position, flame, truth, falsehood, and ultimately any other word you attempt to elevate into an ideological stance.

What's interesting to me about your post is that it seeks to force consensus under the guise of searching for it. You're playing games of definitions. You could have just as easily said "circles are not square" or "what does not exist does not exist." What you're creating in either instance are essentially lexical ambushes in which, if your subject accepts your first, unstated premises, he or she will be unable to refuse the stated conclusions that they lead to. It's like a pit trap, If they don't notice the cleverly arranged leaves right off the bat, they'll certainly notice the punji sticks later.

At any rate this is the project of someone who wants to demonstrate agreement. This is not the project of someone who wants disinterested inquiry into the issue of whether or not agreement can be said to exist at all.
"Politics is an extravagance, an extravagance about grievances. And poetry is an extravagance about grief. And grievances are something that can be remedied, and griefs are irremediable."
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
December 07 2009 16:46 GMT
#22
1: No, reality is perception.

5: No, a belief is a belief, it can neither be true nor false, else it wouldn't be a belief, it would be knowledge.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-07 16:50:20
December 07 2009 16:49 GMT
#23
OOPS
Peace~
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
December 07 2009 16:51 GMT
#24
"topics like these suck"
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
tinman
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States287 Posts
December 07 2009 17:00 GMT
#25
On December 08 2009 01:46 Catch]22 wrote:
1: No, reality is perception.


Get this: Catch believes that the reality of the matter is that reality is perception, regardless of what your individual perception may be. So if you happen to believe that reality is not perception, Catch thinks that you're wrong because reality is perception. But Catch also thinks that you're right because ultimately your perception that reality is not perception is a perception and is therefore reality.*

*helpful hint: if your perception is that Catch is a dumbfuck, that is most certainly the reality of the situation.
"Politics is an extravagance, an extravagance about grievances. And poetry is an extravagance about grief. And grievances are something that can be remedied, and griefs are irremediable."
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-07 17:01:37
December 07 2009 17:01 GMT
#26
This thread just begs for hopelessly boring responses, or someone saying "WELL I DON'T!" or both.

Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat


Watch, someone will say no.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
December 07 2009 17:04 GMT
#27
If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let’em go, because, man, they’re gone.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
December 07 2009 17:07 GMT
#28
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote:
the earth is round

human nature is generally bad

the earth orbits the sun

a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of feathers

inc is the biggest of them all

meeple posts too much

building carriers is a good talent toi have

protoss= 1a2a3a

savior will always have a chance at coming back

firebathero will always be funny

C.murphy will never cease to amaze

the sc2 forum is a wasteland

flying monkeys

bisu fanboys are annoying

boxer is the greatest of them all

python is a terrible terrible map

terrible terrible damage

.... will post more when i think of them


lol i laughed so hard at this one :D
http://twitter.com/jhNz
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
December 07 2009 17:18 GMT
#29
On December 08 2009 01:15 Cloud wrote:
11. If you post something unbelievably stupid, annoying or infuriating you get a free "I'm trolling you" card to get out and everyone thinks you're amazing for it, in fact you don't even have to say "I'm trolling" you just wait till someone else does and then post a smiley or a rofl or some shit.


This is so true. And really is rather depressing.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
December 07 2009 17:18 GMT
#30
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote:
boxer is the greatest of them all




On topic, people are complicated beings. They have a different perception on things and their experiences teach them of life in various ways. As such, in the end, the only thing we can really agree on is to disagree.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
December 07 2009 17:32 GMT
#31

1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it.

the only way any of us can experience reality is through individual perception, there is literally no way to experience reality outside the constraints of our own perception. The way we think can most certainly chance our perceptions. The way we think can change reality
Adonai bless
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 07 2009 18:03 GMT
#32
On December 08 2009 02:01 Chef wrote:
This thread just begs for hopelessly boring responses, or someone saying "WELL I DON'T!" or both.

Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat


Watch, someone will say no.

no.

He is much better.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 07 2009 18:05 GMT
#33
Not if TL is filled with rebel rouses you just like to disagree.
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
December 07 2009 18:08 GMT
#34
That so isn't true. :o
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 07 2009 18:08 GMT
#35
Science and Math are never wrong.

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 07 2009 18:09 GMT
#36
On December 08 2009 02:04 Luddite wrote:
If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let’em go, because, man, they’re gone.

That's loser talk. Never give up; never surrender.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
December 07 2009 18:11 GMT
#37
The Staff Writer pen icon is sexy.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 07 2009 18:22 GMT
#38
Hey, lOvOlUNiMEDiA, you got unbanned.


Anyways 1 & 5 are untestable positions.
3 & 4 is having some humility.
2. is probably true in a Schrodinger sort of way.

6 is tautology.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
December 07 2009 18:41 GMT
#39
CharlieMurphy is the best poster
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 07 2009 18:49 GMT
#40
MY DICK HURTS
dats racist
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