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First of all, your little project here already assumes agreement on a number of points before you even roll out with the numbered statements. You assume that everyone in the discussion might agree on what constitutes agreement, as well as what constitutes a TL member (that mysterious creature).
Those are what you might call quibbling objections, but they illustrate a more fundamental problem with your execution, namely the uncritical use of language.
The crusader and the Turk he fought against both used the word (or a word we translate as) "God." This doesn't mean that they both referred to the same thing. This doesn't even mean that they intended to refer to the same thing. In fact, the theological concepts which they each intended to signify were mutually incompatible. A term like "reality" is similarly loaded. You would not be able to establish a consensus on what that word means, much less establish consensus on an epistemological argument that includes that word. The same can be said for entity, property, human being, omniscient, position, flame, truth, falsehood, and ultimately any other word you attempt to elevate into an ideological stance.
What's interesting to me about your post is that it seeks to force consensus under the guise of searching for it. You're playing games of definitions. You could have just as easily said "circles are not square" or "what does not exist does not exist." What you're creating in either instance are essentially lexical ambushes in which, if your subject accepts your first, unstated premises, he or she will be unable to refuse the stated conclusions that they lead to. It's like a pit trap, If they don't notice the cleverly arranged leaves right off the bat, they'll certainly notice the punji sticks later.
At any rate this is the project of someone who wants to demonstrate agreement. This is not the project of someone who wants disinterested inquiry into the issue of whether or not agreement can be said to exist at all.
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1: No, reality is perception.
5: No, a belief is a belief, it can neither be true nor false, else it wouldn't be a belief, it would be knowledge.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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On December 08 2009 01:46 Catch]22 wrote:
1: No, reality is perception.
Get this: Catch believes that the reality of the matter is that reality is perception, regardless of what your individual perception may be. So if you happen to believe that reality is not perception, Catch thinks that you're wrong because reality is perception. But Catch also thinks that you're right because ultimately your perception that reality is not perception is a perception and is therefore reality.*
*helpful hint: if your perception is that Catch is a dumbfuck, that is most certainly the reality of the situation.
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This thread just begs for hopelessly boring responses, or someone saying "WELL I DON'T!" or both.
Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat
Watch, someone will say no.
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If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let’em go, because, man, they’re gone.
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Germany2762 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote:
the earth is round
human nature is generally bad
the earth orbits the sun
a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of feathers
inc is the biggest of them all
meeple posts too much
building carriers is a good talent toi have
protoss= 1a2a3a
savior will always have a chance at coming back
firebathero will always be funny
C.murphy will never cease to amaze
the sc2 forum is a wasteland
flying monkeys
bisu fanboys are annoying
boxer is the greatest of them all
python is a terrible terrible map
terrible terrible damage
.... will post more when i think of them
lol i laughed so hard at this one :D
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On December 08 2009 01:15 Cloud wrote:
11. If you post something unbelievably stupid, annoying or infuriating you get a free "I'm trolling you" card to get out and everyone thinks you're amazing for it, in fact you don't even have to say "I'm trolling" you just wait till someone else does and then post a smiley or a rofl or some shit.
This is so true. And really is rather depressing.
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On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote:
boxer is the greatest of them all
 
On topic, people are complicated beings. They have a different perception on things and their experiences teach them of life in various ways. As such, in the end, the only thing we can really agree on is to disagree.
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1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it.
the only way any of us can experience reality is through individual perception, there is literally no way to experience reality outside the constraints of our own perception. The way we think can most certainly chance our perceptions. The way we think can change reality
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Germany8679 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:01 Chef wrote:
This thread just begs for hopelessly boring responses, or someone saying "WELL I DON'T!" or both.
Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat
Watch, someone will say no.
no.
He is much better.
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Not if TL is filled with rebel rouses you just like to disagree.
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Science and Math are never wrong.
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On December 08 2009 02:04 Luddite wrote:
If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let’em go, because, man, they’re gone.
That's loser talk. Never give up; never surrender.
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United States3824 Posts
The Staff Writer pen icon is sexy.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Hey, lOvOlUNiMEDiA, you got unbanned.
Anyways 1 & 5 are untestable positions.
3 & 4 is having some humility.
2. is probably true in a Schrodinger sort of way.
6 is tautology.
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CharlieMurphy is the best poster
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MrHoon
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