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lOvOlUNiMEDiA
United States643 Posts
1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. 2. An entity cannot have and not have the same property at the same time in the same respect. 3. Human beings are not omniscient. 4. Just because you hold a position doesn't make that position true (or, in other words: Just because you say you are right doesn't mean you are). 5. Beliefs should aim for truth not falsehood. 6. It is useless to try and stop flames on TL. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
"I'm a member of TL." | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
I like some of the other choices as well, but I know for a fact several people here wouldn't agree with them, ideally 1 and 5. EDIT: How about! Earth is round. o.O | ||
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BaltA
Norway849 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
I dont'see how there could be a serious arguement about 2&3. I agree with 1&4, but you can easily argue about them, so I don't think all TL members agree on them. I disagree with 5, so apparently not all TL members agree on this  | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
8. If a kid kills a person, the fault is on his parents. 9. If you are even remotely superstitious you are a retard. 10. It's easier call a person retard than to try to contradict his ideas. 11. If you post something unbelievably stupid, annoying or infuriating you get a free "I'm trolling you" card to get out and everyone thinks you're amazing for it, in fact you don't even have to say "I'm trolling" you just wait till someone else does and then post a smiley or a rofl or some shit. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:12 StorkHwaiting wrote: 7. Stork is best Protoss of all time! Ban. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Edit: Woops, nevermind, I read that wrong. Number 2 is fuzzy in quantum mechanics. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: 1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. yes that's what it should be. On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: 2. An entity cannot have and not have the same property at the same time in the same respect. Hmm i'm not too sure about this one. Quantic physics can be really weird and i don't know enough about it. On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: 3. Human beings are not omniscient. Probably. Me at least. On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: 4. Just because you hold a position doesn't make that position true (or, in other words: Just because you say you are right doesn't mean you are). It really depends of the issue. In my opinion all kind of moralities/ideologies/religions etc.. are true but only for the person who believes it . On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: 5. Beliefs should aim for truth not falsehood. The problem is that i don't think there are a "morality truth" or on the other hand " a morality falsehood". Some kind of moralities just lead to more peaceful and hence durable societies though. On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: 6. It is useless to try and stop flames on TL. Well it can be fun i think that arguing on Internet is like an allegory of the futility and absurdity of life. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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Undeadhunter
Belgium40 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:15 Cloud wrote: 8. If a kid kills a person, the fault is on his parents. Don't agree with this, I think in most cases it's not the parents but other external influences that would make someone kill someone else. Parents aren't competely to blame here, but do have a certain influence | ||
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
human nature is generally bad the earth orbits the sun a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of feathers inc is the biggest of them all meeple posts too much building carriers is a good talent toi have protoss= 1a2a3a savior will always have a chance at coming back firebathero will always be funny C.murphy will never cease to amaze the sc2 forum is a wasteland flying monkeys bisu fanboys are annoying boxer is the greatest of them all python is a terrible terrible map terrible terrible damage .... will post more when i think of them | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
Those are what you might call quibbling objections, but they illustrate a more fundamental problem with your execution, namely the uncritical use of language. The crusader and the Turk he fought against both used the word (or a word we translate as) "God." This doesn't mean that they both referred to the same thing. This doesn't even mean that they intended to refer to the same thing. In fact, the theological concepts which they each intended to signify were mutually incompatible. A term like "reality" is similarly loaded. You would not be able to establish a consensus on what that word means, much less establish consensus on an epistemological argument that includes that word. The same can be said for entity, property, human being, omniscient, position, flame, truth, falsehood, and ultimately any other word you attempt to elevate into an ideological stance. What's interesting to me about your post is that it seeks to force consensus under the guise of searching for it. You're playing games of definitions. You could have just as easily said "circles are not square" or "what does not exist does not exist." What you're creating in either instance are essentially lexical ambushes in which, if your subject accepts your first, unstated premises, he or she will be unable to refuse the stated conclusions that they lead to. It's like a pit trap, If they don't notice the cleverly arranged leaves right off the bat, they'll certainly notice the punji sticks later. At any rate this is the project of someone who wants to demonstrate agreement. This is not the project of someone who wants disinterested inquiry into the issue of whether or not agreement can be said to exist at all. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
5: No, a belief is a belief, it can neither be true nor false, else it wouldn't be a belief, it would be knowledge. | ||
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fanatacist
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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tinman
United States287 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:46 Catch]22 wrote: 1: No, reality is perception. Get this: Catch believes that the reality of the matter is that reality is perception, regardless of what your individual perception may be. So if you happen to believe that reality is not perception, Catch thinks that you're wrong because reality is perception. But Catch also thinks that you're right because ultimately your perception that reality is not perception is a perception and is therefore reality.* *helpful hint: if your perception is that Catch is a dumbfuck, that is most certainly the reality of the situation. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat Watch, someone will say no. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote: the earth is round human nature is generally bad the earth orbits the sun a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of feathers inc is the biggest of them all meeple posts too much building carriers is a good talent toi have protoss= 1a2a3a savior will always have a chance at coming back firebathero will always be funny C.murphy will never cease to amaze the sc2 forum is a wasteland flying monkeys bisu fanboys are annoying boxer is the greatest of them all python is a terrible terrible map terrible terrible damage .... will post more when i think of them lol i laughed so hard at this one :D | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:15 Cloud wrote: 11. If you post something unbelievably stupid, annoying or infuriating you get a free "I'm trolling you" card to get out and everyone thinks you're amazing for it, in fact you don't even have to say "I'm trolling" you just wait till someone else does and then post a smiley or a rofl or some shit. This is so true. And really is rather depressing. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote: boxer is the greatest of them all   On topic, people are complicated beings. They have a different perception on things and their experiences teach them of life in various ways. As such, in the end, the only thing we can really agree on is to disagree. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. the only way any of us can experience reality is through individual perception, there is literally no way to experience reality outside the constraints of our own perception. The way we think can most certainly chance our perceptions. The way we think can change reality | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:01 Chef wrote: This thread just begs for hopelessly boring responses, or someone saying "WELL I DON'T!" or both. Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat Watch, someone will say no. no. He is much better. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:04 Luddite wrote: If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let’em go, because, man, they’re gone. That's loser talk. Never give up; never surrender. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
 Anyways 1 & 5 are untestable positions. 3 & 4 is having some humility. 2. is probably true in a Schrodinger sort of way. 6 is tautology. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32056 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 08 2009 03:41 Hawk wrote: CharlieMurphy is the best poster It's no fun if you state facts. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On December 08 2009 03:41 Hawk wrote: CharlieMurphy is the best poster Undeniably. And POW! I disagree with 1, 2 & 5. 1. As has been said, reality is perception. 2. Uhh... Schrodinger? 5. Says who? As soon as you say 'should' you are wrong. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On December 08 2009 03:11 cgrinker wrote: The Staff Writer pen icon is sexy. the liquipedia icon looks better | ||
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
On December 08 2009 03:49 MrHoon wrote: MY DICK HURTS MY DICK IS HARD | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:00 tinman wrote: Get this: Catch believes that the reality of the matter is that reality is perception, regardless of what your individual perception may be. So if you happen to believe that reality is not perception, Catch thinks that you're wrong because reality is perception. But Catch also thinks that you're right because ultimately your perception that reality is not perception is a perception and is therefore reality.* *helpful hint: if your perception is that Catch is a dumbfuck, that is most certainly the reality of the situation. Holy crap, you're confusing "thought" or "belief" with "perception" and calling someone a dumbfuck for being correct about it? | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
South Korea > All when it comes to the art of starcraft Playing starcraft well is an art July'esck is a term used to describe excellent starcraft Dustin Browder should not be a commentator Anyone that is worse than you at starcraft is a noob Anyone that is better than you at starcrat is a nerd Lust is the best feeling of them all Gluttony is the best feeling of them all Pleasure is everything Thank the christ To be or not to be, it matters not. It is better to rule in hell than serve in heaven Immortality is the best super power Super man is over rated The flash is under rated Flash is a wonder kid Everyone wonders how they will die Row Row Fight the Power Imagination is the most powerful of human atributes Always remember to look both ways before crossing the street Make sure to never point a loaded gun at your face Take time out of your day to breathe Realize that you are powerless with out investors (lots of investors) Order the most expensive thing on the menu to impress your dinning partners Leave a key under your door mat, no one will look there Locking your keys inside of your car can cause head aches Idiots always feel the need to speak Never eat acorns Glass is like a human hear- it can only break once Yesterday is another experience OBGYN have a pretty crazy job description Unless one is significantly over weight, always always super size your meal. Americans are like a heard of cattle, what every CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC tells them- it is the truth. Never think that humanity is good Don't try to play the harpsichord, it's really hard- and the piano is just so much better. Destruction always gives way to creation Overestimating is your greatest enemy Nacissistic people make terrible friends Take little and give much Taking candy from a baby is always easy Helping a women, by opening a door will make her mad. Feminism will kill you, and chivalry I think that most people are ignorant of how the world works N****** is a bad name for black people KKK wouldn't say that n****** is that bad Yes you did come from your mothers vagina (unless you are like me, and are a C section baby) Other than the chocolate- what is the point of living? Understanding your ineptitude will strengthen your strengths Righteous men simply appear righteous Smile, it makes everything better Making cookies is delicious Always try and shake hands with a firm grip, and steady eye (in the US of A) Retardation is the scourge of humanity Taking excessive amounts of Opioids will kill you Be aware that nothing is absolute Education is the key to success Consuming raw or undercooked fish can make your violently ill Australia is the worlds largest island US president is a fool Sensible people don't believe in global warming Energy crisis my ass Young men fight wars, old men make them Obese people are killing us Uganda is in Africa Sensible people will tell you that obamacare is a GREEEEEEAAAAATTTTTT thing Eat your broccoli Eat your fruits Intelligence is simply relative Taking life or anything seriously is the scourge of humanity | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
"please stop making crap threads, keep that to the blogs ( with some restraint)" " Don't spoil MMA tournaments on the day of the fight" "ze" | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:01 Chef wrote: This thread just begs for hopelessly boring responses, or someone saying "WELL I DON'T!" or both. Jaedong is pretty good at StarCrat Watch, someone will say no. YOU ARE WRONG. Jaedong is not pretty good at starcraft. He is ridiculously good at starcraft. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:26 Alur wrote: 12. White-ra's face is everywhere HAHAHA Caps lock... I wasn't that excited. TL > GG.net | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
On December 08 2009 05:24 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Holy crap, you're confusing "thought" or "belief" with "perception" and calling someone a dumbfuck for being correct about it? Holy shit! You're laboring under the almost comically misinformed impression that words like thought and belief and perception actually signify existents in the universe in demonstrable ways about which one can be correct or incorrect? Holy shit?! And you're calling someone out for calling someone out about being a dumbfuck??! What a dumbfuck. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
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sky_slasher
United States328 Posts
"I like Asian girls" "Boxer/Nada/Oov/Savior are Bonjwas" | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: I am wondering if there are any statements that all TL members agree with. I have a argumentative context in mind. Maybe these could serve as a point(s) of common ground for constructive debate instead of flames. This is too broad...highly doubtful you will find a 'general rule' that everyone will unconditionally agree upon. The answer to everything like this will be "it depends" since circumstances reign in this situation. | ||
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QuoC
United States724 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
THE PENIS MIGHTIER | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On December 08 2009 06:59 jalstar wrote: Everyone loves Boxer. Well, I don`t! (tm) Honestly, this thread has strayed into completely bizzare directions at this point. | ||
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On December 08 2009 03:41 Hawk wrote: CharlieMurphy is the best poster vGl-CoW is the best poster. Just sayin'. | ||
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Than the encyclopedia? | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
python is a terrible terrible map building carriers is a good talent toi have made me lol | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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ezchiiz
Canada23 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26071 if you don't know edit- Xellos not Reach. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote: the earth is round human nature is generally bad the earth orbits the sun a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of feathers inc is the biggest of them all meeple posts too much building carriers is a good talent toi have protoss= 1a2a3a savior will always have a chance at coming back firebathero will always be funny C.murphy will never cease to amaze the sc2 forum is a wasteland flying monkeys bisu fanboys are annoying boxer is the greatest of them all python is a terrible terrible map terrible terrible damage .... will post more when i think of them Pretty good, except for #2 which I don't agree with. btw, gg the other day. "typical, all this cute fancy shit, and you can't macro" <3 | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:54 ezchiiz wrote: Reach masturbates. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26071 if you don't know not reach dude. xellos | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I am a TL member. /close thread | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:46 bEsT[Alive] wrote: 6. Definitely 6. I like some of the other choices as well, but I know for a fact several people here wouldn't agree with them, ideally 1 and 5. EDIT: How about! Earth is round. o.O It took the catholic church a few hundred years to agree with that... | ||
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:12 BlasiuS wrote: "Starcraft is the greatest RTS game ever made." Believe it or not... not everyone on TL agrees with it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87810 On February 14 2009 18:11 ScoutWBF wrote: BW is not the best game ever. It's probably one of the Resident Evils. SC:BW is not even the best RTS in my opinion. | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:43 BottleAbuser wrote: Eh. Easy. "I'm a member of TL." On December 08 2009 07:59 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I disagree with every post in this thread. I am a TL member. /close thread We're creating black holes of logic now. "I use a computer to access TL" <- try to disagree I dare you all! | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:27 Manit0u wrote: JulyZerg has the biggest. Fixed :D | ||
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Freyr
United States500 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:54 ezchiiz wrote: Reach masturbates. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26071 if you don't know I think you should read that thread more carefully! On December 08 2009 01:15 Cloud wrote: 7. If you bitch about your parents, you are an ungrateful son. 8. If a kid kills a person, the fault is on his parents. 9. If you are even remotely superstitious you are a retard. 10. It's easier call a person retard than to try to contradict his ideas. 11. If you post something unbelievably stupid, annoying or infuriating you get a free "I'm trolling you" card to get out and everyone thinks you're amazing for it, in fact you don't even have to say "I'm trolling" you just wait till someone else does and then post a smiley or a rofl or some shit. How exactly do you figure that? I suppose you know everything that is fundamentally correct and incorrect about parenting? If so, you should probably publish this information - it seems like it might be helpful... | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:54 ezchiiz wrote: Reach masturbates. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26071 if you don't know Not reach buddy. Also all men masturbate. | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:15 Cloud wrote: 7. If you bitch about your parents, you are an ungrateful son. False for a little over half the people in the world. | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: I am wondering if there are any statements that all TL members agree with. I have a argumentative context in mind. Maybe these could serve as a point(s) of common ground for constructive debate instead of flames. Some contenders could be: 1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. 1. I disagree or agree and I`m right and wrong at the same time, whether agreed/disagreed. What is reality ? Everything that exists . Then , however , it is indescribeable in words or any sensory/mental data because of what it is - if it is everything then it is indefineable. Existance - it cannot be non-existance - but then , when u take your thinking on another level , non-existance can be another existance because it can simply be constructed of something that is unrelated to any sensory data humanity knows. * Then , even though non-existance is the exact opposite of existance it can be another existance itself. So the words are imperfect - they might lead to describing existance as non-existance. Further example : if existance is non-existance and non-existance is existance then there is no such thing as non-existance but then it means that reality is an infinity . If reality(all that exists) is infinity then infinity has INFINITE number of anomalies and paradoxes , therefore there could be non-existance in infinity and that would mean that infinity is FINITE. So again - finite infinity, non-existant existance. In fact you can keep agreeing and disagreeing with everything nearly forever and whether you agree or not is simply measured by its place in quee of agree/disagree tail. You can disagree with literally everything and then disqualify what u used to disagree with and therefore agree with the statement that u disagreed. This can be repeated forever. Statement 1. Agree1------------------------------------ Disagree1 Disagree(2) with Disagree1 argument- therefore agree(2) with agree1-------------------------------------------------Disagree(2) with agree(2) (agree with Disagree1) Disagree(3) with disagree(2) ( agree with agree(2) ) etc etc and you can disagree with whole of this at once , there are no limits disagree - there are limits because some statements might be insanely hard to disagree with and how much analitical power they will require isn`t limited so it might be too hard for one trying to disagree to disagree - so there are limits . Another example Statement : - Everyone here is TL.net member. What if this post was written by by someone who saw this site for first time ever ? He isn`t TL.net member. * Just because we were never able to perceive something by human senses or any of its technology and imagination - doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist.You simply cannot prove that. So more directly to your statement : 1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. Reality isn`t unrelated to what you think about it because what you think is a part of reality so it what u think changes the reality. This, however, can also be disagreed. You can agree or disagree with any statement and be right at the same time. The only thing that changes there is difficulty level included to be able to agree or disagree. PS. I purposely didn`t mix in the 'point of view' ingredient. Fact of being able to do this is another proof. | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: I am wondering if there are any statements that all TL members agree with. I have a argumentative context in mind. Maybe these could serve as a point(s) of common ground for constructive debate instead of flames. Some contenders could be: 1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. 2. An entity cannot have and not have the same property at the same time in the same respect. 3. Human beings are not omniscient. 4. Just because you hold a position doesn't make that position true (or, in other words: Just because you say you are right doesn't mean you are). 5. Beliefs should aim for truth not falsehood. 6. It is useless to try and stop flames on TL. I also disproved 2 by my previous post. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
Exactly how old are you? | ||
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Bozali
Sweden155 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + rule 6 | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:56 Roffles wrote: I'm fucking retarded. I think we can all agree on that. | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:30 Schnake wrote: How can reality be subjective? That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. A scientific realist admits to the possibility of the 'matrix paradox' that all of our perceived existence could be a lie. Our brain, however, does not operate on this principle. By the architecture of our consciouness, we must assume that all we see, experience, or sense, detect, and 'prove' is 'real.' But keep in mind that any one individual can hallucinate, and any scientific experiment can yield 'bad' data and anyone analyzing 'good' data can make a wrong conclusion. As a civilization we must be wary of superstition or incorrect thinking. In the scientific community there is great celebration whenever someone goes through the necessary steps to carefully disprove a theory which does not describe the function of the 'real' world. The key to understand reality in my eyes is accepting the postulate that there is an objective consensus reality that does not change because of what we *believe*, and accepting that the universe will behave in a more-or-less predictable way. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:21 Undeadhunter wrote: Don't agree with this, I think in most cases it's not the parents but other external influences that would make someone kill someone else. Parents aren't competely to blame here, but do have a certain influence Hahaha, your 27 post count is why you don't get that. That whole post is sarcasm. I have not read the thread completely, so maybe someone said that already, but I smirked while reading it. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:55 niteReloaded wrote: Pretty good, except for #2 which I don't agree with. btw, gg the other day. "typical, all this cute fancy shit, and you can't macro" <3 Just trying to make you understand that the only TRUE way to win a game of starcraft is through sheer force! Bust straight up the gut through the toughest defense, and play in your opponents blood. Micro will never give you a sweet tasting victory. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
5) bullshit. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On December 08 2009 06:09 tinman wrote: Holy shit! You're laboring under the almost comically misinformed impression that words like thought and belief and perception actually signify existents in the universe in demonstrable ways about which one can be correct or incorrect? Holy shit?! And you're calling someone out for calling someone out about being a dumbfuck??! What a dumbfuck. Too bad that's a belief and not reality, hah! | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Damn, you're a harsh one.  | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:50 UFO wrote: 1. I disagree or agree and I`m right and wrong at the same time, whether agreed/disagreed. What is reality ? Everything that exists . Then , however , it is indescribeable in words or any sensory/mental data because of what it is - if it is everything then it is indefineable. Existance - it cannot be non-existance - but then , when u take your thinking on another level , non-existance can be another existance because it can simply be constructed of something that is unrelated to any sensory data humanity knows. * Then , even though non-existance is the exact opposite of existance it can be another existance itself. So the words are imperfect - they might lead to describing existance as non-existance. Further example : if existance is non-existance and non-existance is existance then there is no such thing as non-existance but then it means that reality is an infinity . If reality(all that exists) is infinity then infinity has INFINITE number of anomalies and paradoxes , therefore there could be non-existance in infinity and that would mean that infinity is FINITE. So again - finite infinity, non-existant existance. In fact you can keep agreeing and disagreeing with everything nearly forever and whether you agree or not is simply measured by its place in quee of agree/disagree tail. You can disagree with literally everything and then disqualify what u used to disagree with and therefore agree with the statement that u disagreed. This can be repeated forever. Statement 1. Agree1------------------------------------ Disagree1 Disagree(2) with Disagree1 argument- therefore agree(2) with agree1-------------------------------------------------Disagree(2) with agree(2) (agree with Disagree1) Disagree(3) with disagree(2) ( agree with agree(2) ) etc etc and you can disagree with whole of this at once , there are no limits disagree - there are limits because some statements might be insanely hard to disagree with and how much analitical power they will require isn`t limited so it might be too hard for one trying to disagree to disagree - so there are limits . Another example Statement : - Everyone here is TL.net member. What if this post was written by by someone who saw this site for first time ever ? He isn`t TL.net member. * Just because we were never able to perceive something by human senses or any of its technology and imagination - doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist.You simply cannot prove that. So more directly to your statement : 1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. Reality isn`t unrelated to what you think about it because what you think is a part of reality so it what u think changes the reality. This, however, can also be disagreed. You can agree or disagree with any statement and be right at the same time. The only thing that changes there is difficulty level included to be able to agree or disagree. PS. I purposely didn`t mix in the 'point of view' ingredient. Fact of being able to do this is another proof. Seriously, UFO, lern2English. I think I would disagree with you, but I honestly can't be sure because I can hardly decode the combination of letters and punctuation you're using. First, read my above post to understand what I mean by 'consensus objective reality'. I think you're trying to argue that 'reality' and 'exist' are confounded terms and that any attempt to define one using the other is essentially a form of 'begging the question' or circular logic. I get that. However, I don't understand your whole argument about non-existence being a form of existence. If something can be termed to exist, it cannot be said also not to exist. A drawing of a cat may exist, even if the cat portrayed in the drawing does not exist. And a cat similar to the cat portrayed in the picture may also exist. The 'state' of existence or non-existence may be assigned to a concept or object. But the state of non-existence is acknowledge by all to exist as a possible state for an object or concept. Existence is NEVER non-existence. Nothing can simultaneously exist and not-exist where information about that object is available. I would assume you're familiar with the Schrödinger's Cat Paradox. Even if you want to get metaphysical, Schrödinger's cat is both alive AND dead, 2 well known and understood states, and if it's survival is measured (by opening the box) one of the possible states will be 'selected' (quantum wave function collapse). Here is a hilarious little quote: Just because we were never able to perceive something by human senses or any of its technology and imagination - doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist.You simply cannot prove that. Reality isn`t unrelated to what you think about it because what you think is a part of reality so it what u think changes the reality. This, however, can also be disagreed. This is like the most hilarious contradiction I think I've heard all week. You're trying to say in the first paragraph that what you experience or believe doesn't change consensus objective reality, but you're saying in the second paragraph that what we think about reality somehow changes it. In other words, according to your first statement, if there is a cat in front of me, whether or not I can see the cat sitting in front of me doesn't change the fact that there is a cat in front of me. Your second paragraph, however, contends that just not believing in the cat or not knowing about it somehow changes whether or not it is there. I think I'm done here. | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
How you perceive a train of mass greater than 2000 tons, travelling at 100 m/s towards you doesn't change the fact that you could die if you don't move. Whether or not you believe in Newton's laws of motion or that America's hospitals can save you doesn't really matter once you're struck by that train. Even if you 'think' you can outrun the train by running at 20 m/s in the opposite direction, it doesn't mean you'll make it. Hell, your opinion about whether or not the train is even 'real' doesn't really matter too much. The reality is, you'll more than likely die if you stay where you're standing. The reality is that humans can only afford to believe what they perceive, to question, question, question their beliefs and always refine their understanding of the universe and ways in which they predict its actions. And also, to understand the difference between what they perceive, what they believe, what they think, and what is 'true'. Fun quiz time: What is the 'default' belief state for a premise or claim? | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
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tinman
United States287 Posts
On December 08 2009 09:27 Catch]22 wrote: Too bad that's a belief and not reality, hah! English is probably your second language. I forgive you. | ||
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Freyr
United States500 Posts
On December 08 2009 10:25 tinman wrote: English is probably your second language. I forgive you. On December 08 2009 06:09 tinman wrote: Holy shit! You're laboring under the almost comically misinformed impression that words like thought and belief and perception actually signify existents in the universe in demonstrable ways about which one can be correct or incorrect? Holy shit?! And you're calling someone out for calling someone out about being a dumbfuck??! What a dumbfuck. In before banned indeed. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 08 2009 02:00 tinman wrote: Get this: Catch believes that the reality of the matter is that reality is perception, regardless of what your individual perception may be. So if you happen to believe that reality is not perception, Catch thinks that you're wrong because reality is perception. But Catch also thinks that you're right because ultimately your perception that reality is not perception is a perception and is therefore reality.* *helpful hint: if your perception is that Catch is a dumbfuck, that is most certainly the reality of the situation. On December 08 2009 06:09 tinman wrote: Holy shit! You're laboring under the almost comically misinformed impression that words like thought and belief and perception actually signify existents in the universe in demonstrable ways about which one can be correct or incorrect? Holy shit?! And you're calling someone out for calling someone out about being a dumbfuck??! What a dumbfuck. To everyone involved in the above exchange: please do not continue it here. Randomly belittling someone because you think he's wrong is not conducive to a flame free discussion, and therefore isn't acceptable posting-behavior for these forums. If you disagree, please do so without the insults. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:24 Hurricane wrote: I don't think there are any statements other than "I am a member of TeamLiquid.net" that the entire population will agree with. The TL crowd is very intelligent and tends to be argumentative as a whole, which makes unanimous decisions next to impossible. Uhhhh arent we all here for the same reason? + Show Spoiler + STARCRAFT..... just in case deliverance type hillbillys dont get it | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:46 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Earth is round. o.O I disagree. It's roundish. Rounded. Sphere-like. Aside from obvious imperfections like mountains and valleys, it is overall very slightly pear shaped. | ||
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iloveHieu
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koreasilver
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ezchiiz
Canada23 Posts
oh crap my bad. But the statement you made is probably better. | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
GET A RULER AND MEASURE IT FOR ME  | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:42 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: I am wondering if there are any statements that all TL members agree with. I have a argumentative context in mind. Maybe these could serve as a point(s) of common ground for constructive debate instead of flames. Some contenders could be: 1. Reality is what it is despite what you think about it. False. I can bend reality to my will. 2. An entity cannot have and not have the same property at the same time in the same respect. False. I am infinitely powerful and therefore I can create a rock I can't lift, but I can still lift it because I'm infinitely powerful 3. Human beings are not omniscient. False. Have you guessed it? 4. Just because you hold a position doesn't make that position true (or, in other words: Just because you say you are right doesn't mean you are). False. If I say it is true, it becomes true. 5. Beliefs should aim for truth not falsehood. False. Truth is what I believe it to be. 6. It is useless to try and stop flames on TL. False. This one doesn't require any special powers, just a special skill. Gogo hackers! | ||
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blue_arrow
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On December 08 2009 12:50 littlechava wrote: 7. every tl member has a penis NeverGG and lilsusie... and unc... | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:10 deconduo wrote: For #4 first thing that came to mind is that game of Bisu vs Jaedong where he didn't hold position. this is the exact thing i thought of. it was game 5 on andro of the special match, and Bisu was like I HAZ SPEICAL BUILD then failed XP | ||
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
8. OpticalShot is in denial | ||
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:27 Misrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + the earth is round human nature is generally bad the earth orbits the sun a pound of lead weighs the same as a pound of feathers inc is the biggest of them all meeple posts too much building carriers is a good talent toi have protoss= 1a2a3a savior will always have a chance at coming back firebathero will always be funny C.murphy will never cease to amaze the sc2 forum is a wasteland flying monkeys bisu fanboys are annoying boxer is the greatest of them all python is a terrible terrible map terrible terrible damage .... will post more when i think of them I liked that one eloel =P | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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tinman
United States287 Posts
On December 08 2009 11:51 FrozenArbiter wrote: To everyone involved in the above exchange: please do not continue it here. Randomly belittling someone because you think he's wrong is not conducive to a flame free discussion, and therefore isn't acceptable posting-behavior for these forums. If you disagree, please do so without the insults. Man, I don't see how calling someone a dumbfuck is belittling them. Well ok maybe a little bit. | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
you guys have me feeling all guilty now. | ||
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Steelflight-Rx
United States1389 Posts
Poll: Is building carriers a useful talent toi have? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On December 08 2009 14:55 Holgerius wrote: The ''useful talent toi have''-meme is one of the best ever. It's still funny in my eyes. I disagree. I find literally every 4chan meme to be funnier than that. | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
...it's so useful! | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:24 Hurricane wrote: I don't think there are any statements other than "I am a member of TeamLiquid.net" that the entire population will agree with. The TL crowd is very intelligent and tends to be argumentative as a whole, which makes unanimous decisions next to impossible. I disagree. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:35 Meta wrote: "I use a computer to access TL" <- try to disagree I dare you all! I'm posting from my cellphone. gg. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 08 2009 14:46 Steelflight-Rx wrote: Poll: Is building carriers a useful talent toi have? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No loool win and yeah this meme is hilarious | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
yes | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On December 08 2009 20:29 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote: that is many tank ? yes YES!!! | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
artosis midian Incontrol | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
Case closed. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:50 UFO wrote: Statement : - Everyone here is TL.net member. What if this post was written by by someone who saw this site for first time ever ? He isn`t TL.net member. Remember, we're talking about statements that TL members will agree with. Not just anyone posting on TL.net. Unless you define "TL member" as "someone who isn't a TL member", it has an unambiguous set of members. And unless you include "doesn't think of himself as a TL member" as a possible attribute of a TL member, all TL members will agree. How about the statement "This statement follows correct contemporary English grammar, as of Gregorian year 2009." (Oh god, did I make a grammar error here? That would be embarrassing.) | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 08 2009 14:02 tinman wrote: OK I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A DICK IT WAS UNPROVOKED I AM SORRY. you guys have me feeling all guilty now. It's fine, I was just trying to get whoever it was I quoted to stop calling people dumbfucks. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
in my old days i used to post alot using my cellphone to bitch about macro in sc2 | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On December 08 2009 21:08 BottleAbuser wrote: Remember, we're talking about statements that TL members will agree with. Not just anyone posting on TL.net. Unless you define "TL member" as "someone who isn't a TL member", it has an unambiguous set of members. And unless you include "doesn't think of himself as a TL member" as a possible attribute of a TL member, all TL members will agree. How about the statement "This statement follows correct contemporary English grammar, as of Gregorian year 2009." (Oh god, did I make a grammar error here? That would be embarrassing.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems "Can God make a rock so big he can't lift it?" | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Not that there are no statements that can be proven, ever. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On December 08 2009 15:54 littlechava wrote: I disagree. I find literally every 4chan meme to be funnier than that. huh why ? we used it quite a bit on the last TL meeting and I think everyone found it very funny. Maybe you pronounce 'toi' wrong | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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ShroomyD
Australia245 Posts
On December 08 2009 21:37 BottleAbuser wrote: Godel's theorems state that for any system of logic, there are statements that cannot be proven. Not that there are no statements that can be proven, ever. humans act? or is that just too self evident... | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Thats exactly how religions keep themselves alive, by picking points that cant be proven wrong, not aiming for the truth but aiming at what makes people feel better/safe/ whatever. "Human beings are not omniscient." I think every sane person will agree with this. There's already starcraft related things that pretty much everyone seems to agree with. Like how flash is better skill level wise than bonjwas like boxer and iloveoov ever were. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On December 08 2009 07:54 ezchiiz wrote: Reach masturbates. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26071 if you don't know edit- Xellos not Reach. Your edit is wise, since Reach does not need to masturbate. He has at least 15 virgins every day willing to please him in any way imaginable. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On December 09 2009 03:00 Amber[LighT] wrote: Beyonce had one of the best music videos of all time! lolol, who wouldnt agree with that | ||
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tinman
United States287 Posts
On December 08 2009 21:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It's fine, I was just trying to get whoever it was I quoted to stop calling people dumbfucks. I can't... hold... it... in... Thanks for being such a friendly neighborhood superhero, DUMBFUCK! (and now that I have won this thread, I'm going to Disneyland!) | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On December 09 2009 02:45 Tom Phoenix wrote: Your edit is wise, since Reach does not need to masturbate. He has at least 15 virgins every day willing to please him in any way imaginable. ...only 15? dude every virgin on TL (everybody..) would looove to fuck reach which brings me to another one REACH is SEXY | ||
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Kenpachi
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