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The statistics are true even prosentually, I would´ve said that but my english is rather limited.
You can find those statistic with google I´m certain of that.
And that is exactly what you ment, you said people need religion to tell them what is wrong and what is right, like people themselves couldn´t make somekinda rules.
I´m no expert on old Central European/Greek/Norse religions either and they aren´t exactly alike but based on what little I´ve learned, I´m quite certain they weren´t so stupid to fight anyone just so they could try to get to Valhalla. No it was all about knowledge.
And if Old Testament isn´t part of Christianity, why would it be in the Bible?
You know originally they would baptize only Jews not any little kid.
Anyway that is just your way of interpreting Christianity, I´m just surprised you think God would say something and then send his son to say how things really are.
But now this is going Offtopic so I advice everyone to stop meaningless bantering.
On topic, I hate the way media nowadays always immediately starts to entice to viewers/readers/listeners with these kinds of sad incidents. In the video they had already done a flashy banner "Attack at Fort Hood" or something like that and they always show the horrible footage over and over so it makes me want to puke. A little (self-)respect plz.
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On November 07 2009 04:39 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On topic, I hate the way media nowadays always immediately starts to entice to viewers/readers/listeners with these kinds of sad incidents. In the video they had already done a flashy banner "Rampage at Fort Hood" and they always show the horrible footage over and over so it makes me want to puke. A little (self-)respect plz.
I saw "Attack on Fort Hood", I thought that was a little odd. Made it sound like a military strike or something.
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On November 07 2009 04:43 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:39 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On topic, I hate the way media nowadays always immediately starts to entice to viewers/readers/listeners with these kinds of sad incidents. In the video they had already done a flashy banner "Rampage at Fort Hood" and they always show the horrible footage over and over so it makes me want to puke. A little (self-)respect plz. I saw "Attack on Fort Hood", I thought that was a little odd. Made it sound like a military strike or something.
Well something like that. Anyway the fact that newschannels try to attract viewers with stuff like this and succeed in it makes me a sad panda.
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On November 07 2009 04:26 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:23 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:20 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please. We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here. That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues. Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well. However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners. Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant.
i do not understand what is ur general idea you're trying to convey to me.
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On November 07 2009 04:39 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
The statistics are true even prosentually, I would´ve said that but my english is rather limited.
You can find those statistic with google I´m certain of that.
Lol no thanks you find them for me since you claim em to be true.
And that is exactly what you ment, you said people need religion to tell them what is wrong and what is right, like people themselves couldn´t make somekinda rules.
Oh i thought by chaos you meant some kind of satanic worshipping anarchists.
No surely people would come up with their own moral values, however that would be an entirely different and harder journey. Surely burning in hell for eternity divulges some people from doing naughty stuff.
I´m no expert on old Central European/Greek/Norse religions either and they aren´t exactly alike but based on what little I´ve learned, I´m quite certain they weren´t so stupid to fight anyone just so they could try to get to Valhalla. No it was all about knowledge.
Well, if you dont how about you don't claim it was all about knowledge? killing people and dying was definitely a giagantic part of nordic(and greek) religions.
And if Old Testament isn´t part of Christianity, why would it be in the Bible?
You know originally they would baptize only Jews not any little kid.
Anyway that is just your way of interpreting Christianity, I´m just surprised you think God would say something and then send his son to say how things really are.
Pretty much says so in the Bible.
You're hilarious, you're trying to judge what a God would do?
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On November 07 2009 04:53 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:26 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:23 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:20 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please. We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here. That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues. Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well. However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners. Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant. i do not understand what is ur general idea you're trying to convey to me.
Basically, given your statement that without the notion of a 'hell' in the back of everyones mind there would be people committing crimes on a very large scale, I was wondering how you felt about the fact that there are existing nations without much religion nor patriotism that get by with fairly low crime rates (much lower than those in more religious countries, i.e. USA).
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It seems to me like New Testament is pretty much a footnote to Old Testament. It's like people were too retarded to comprehend what was written in the Old one so they had to spell it out for people.(i.e. an eye for an eye logically results in peace as well, but humans took it as if it was a signal to whack everyone and anyone who opposes them). But, alas, it seems to be still too hard to comprehend.
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On November 07 2009 04:59 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:26 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:23 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:20 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please. We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here. That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues. Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well. However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners. Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant. i do not understand what is ur general idea you're trying to convey to me. Basically, given your statement that without the notion of a 'hell' in the back of everyones mind there would be people committing crimes on a very large scale, I was wondering how you felt about the fact that there are existing nations without much religion nor patriotism that get by with fairly low crime rates (much lower than those in more religious countries, i.e. USA).
i don't deny that humans have the ability to achieve a successfully run society, but that doesn't really correlate with my statement, because the question is would US crimerates be lower if it was less religious?
I can claim for example that it wouldn't because the crimerate in less religious areas(i.e. New York State, New Jersey, California) is a lot higher then in the religious mid-states.
There wouldn't be true correlation there either though because a metropolis is a lot different than a suburban area.
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On November 07 2009 04:59 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:39 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
The statistics are true even prosentually, I would´ve said that but my english is rather limited.
You can find those statistic with google I´m certain of that.
Lol no thanks you find them for me since you claim em to be true. Show nested quote +
And that is exactly what you ment, you said people need religion to tell them what is wrong and what is right, like people themselves couldn´t make somekinda rules.
Oh i thought by chaos you meant some kind of satanic worshipping anarchists. No surely people would come up with their own moral values, however that would be an entirely different and harder journey. Surely burning in hell for eternity divulges some people from doing naughty stuff. Show nested quote +
I´m no expert on old Central European/Greek/Norse religions either and they aren´t exactly alike but based on what little I´ve learned, I´m quite certain they weren´t so stupid to fight anyone just so they could try to get to Valhalla. No it was all about knowledge.
Well, if you dont how about you don't claim it was all about knowledge? killing people and dying was definitely a giagantic part of nordic(and greek) religions. Show nested quote +
And if Old Testament isn´t part of Christianity, why would it be in the Bible?
You know originally they would baptize only Jews not any little kid.
Anyway that is just your way of interpreting Christianity, I´m just surprised you think God would say something and then send his son to say how things really are.
Pretty much says so in the Bible. You're hilarious, you're trying to judge what a God would do?
Now I´m really sorry but are you trolling me?
In your last post you judge me and at the same time you are just the same are you not?
And when I said I knew very little about the Norse culture I still meant I knew a bit more than the going berserk on foreing shores part. Also I´m not sure what you mean when you first agree that atheists do have their own rules and then you say that if there was no religion it would take time to make those rules and shit would hit the fan.
But as I said this is not the place nor do I have the time to argue on the interwebs, anyway does anyone have any news or something interesting regarding this incident? I´m curious how this could happen in a military base, aren´t they supposed to be somewhat secure? Like you can´t just walk around with armed AR´s or so?
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Is it really so hard to comprehend that if it wasn't for 2000 years of persuasion that if we do bad stuff we go to hell for eternity the world would be a lot different(and quiet possibly worse)?
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Well in a military camp, you wouldn't expect there to be any trouble. Troops are normally not armed unless they're in training, and only the security in the area actually carry weapons all the time. If the guy hid the weapons in his clothes, it's not too hard to believe that he could get into the area where he wanted to once he was inside the base, and he could have gotten easy access by just driving in and hiding the weapons in the car.
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great job derailing the thread guys
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On November 07 2009 05:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
Is it really so hard to comprehend that if it wasn't for 2000 years of persuasion that if we do bad stuff we go to hell for eternity the world would be a lot different(and quiet possibly worse)?
Yes it is,because I haven´t been around for 2000 years. And people have done just as much bad stuff and good stuff this whole time, the church system isn´t free of bad stuff anymore than others. Pope himself just made a commandment that catholic priests suspected of child molesting should not say anything to those prosecuting him. I can´t see that as a good deed.
But you are clearly very Christianity biased so nothing I say really makes any difference, now please stick to the subject, I´m sure you´ll do just fine in life whatever your views may be and I wish you best of luck with SC and everything else.
On November 07 2009 05:39 BlackJack wrote:
great job derailing the thread guys
Yes i know and I´m sorry, but sometimes I just can´t help myself replying.
On November 07 2009 05:14 Mystlord wrote:
Well in a military camp, you wouldn't expect there to be any trouble. Troops are normally not armed unless they're in training, and only the security in the area actually carry weapons all the time. If the guy hid the weapons in his clothes, it's not too hard to believe that he could get into the area where he wanted to once he was inside the base, and he could have gotten easy access by just driving in and hiding the weapons in the car.
Yeah, weird when you think about it, if it was in a public place the death toll would´ve probably been smaller :S as I understand many people do carry handguns in America ?
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No HwangjaeTerran, most americans do NOT carry guns on their person. Infact its illegal to carry a concealed weapon, tho I think you can get a permit or something to carry but its not common.
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On November 07 2009 05:54 Slaughter wrote:
No HwangjaeTerran, most americans do NOT carry guns on their person. Infact its illegal to carry a concealed weapon, tho I think you can get a permit or something to carry but its not common.
Wow really? I´m quite surprised of the image that has been given around here then. You can´t have a gun like in your bag? Because that´s where the women always carry their gun in the movies.. I understand that you can´t take a gun to restaurants or such, but can you keep it in your car then? So the guns are solely for home defence not for any other defence, I stand corrected.
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Not being a part of the argument, i still have to say that it's sad that you guys are arguing about something so random within a topic about a big shooting.
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On November 07 2009 05:10 Sfydjklm wrote:
Is it really so hard to comprehend that if it wasn't for 2000 years of persuasion that if we do bad stuff we go to hell for eternity the world would be a lot different(and quiet possibly worse)?
i know people think reading about how to make money, make relationships work, or how to lose weight is sometimes pathetic.
but reading a book because you can't form morals for yourself....
0_o
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On November 07 2009 06:15 ghermination wrote:
Not being a part of the argument, i still have to say that it's sad that you guys are arguing about something so random within a topic about a big shooting.
gun laws? shooting?
I think there is enough connection as every shooting will have it´s affection on peoples opinion about the laws made to somewhat prevent these shootings.
And this isn´t a big shooting, civil war in Kongo was a big shooting. Of course it feels bad just the same. And I think people should discuss and react so somehow some of these incidents could maybe be prevented. Rather react than just watch.
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