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On November 06 2009 20:51 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2009 14:51 Excalibur_Z wrote:On November 06 2009 14:40 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Hmmm he was a major huh? Thats a officers rank correct? So he must of been a West Point grad then right. You would think a guy who has a strong enough mind, and body to get threw west point training would not just snap like that. Word is he's a practicing Muslim and was going to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month and he really didn't want to go. He had some Internet forum postings comparing suicide bombers to soldiers that cover grenades with their bodies to save the lives of others, and blasting US foreign policy. Not sure if that ties into it at all, but it would be a possible explanation for "snapping". This is crazy, they couldn´t force him to go? Not in US where military service isn´t mandatory right. So why not resign or something if it´s against your ideology? I hope no death penalty, they guy clearly wasn´t in full mental health. A healthy person wouldn´t have tried to solve his problems by going on a rampage so I really don´t understand these posts calling for death penalty... The guy probably has had schizophrenia or something lurking for years like many of us do. And he has a point there in his forum postings doesn´t he. Point doesn´t mean truth so don´t stomp me.
When you sign up you sign a contract. You agree to surrender your free will and hold your personal ideology second to the requirements of the military. If you can't do that you don't sign up. Naturally there's a limit, if I was ordered to kill innocent civilians I'd refuse, and naturally he went about it the wrong way (huge understatement), but he couldn't just resign here. He could speak to his CO about ethical problems and a conflict of interests and see if he could get deployed elsewhere or he could face a court martial for refusing to obey orders.
Just turning a gun on people is insane. Although he couldn't just resign there were a number of options all of which were better than mass murder.
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Actually him being a psychiatrist makes sense... the person most likely to snap, the one that has been hearing about everyone else's problems... and now he is going to have to go and deal with it directly.
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Holy shit.. that's nuts
Edit: 300 posts! Tonight we dine in hell~
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Well they kept picking on him for being muslim for what, a couple years now? they had it coming for them. Not saying they deserved it.
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On November 06 2009 21:10 wo0py wrote:Better spoiler this for the ppl who would be offended by jokes about this. If you know you're quickly offended when people make fun of the army DON'T LOOK+ Show Spoiler +Could i say: "it happens all the time in the hood"? On a serious note, this is horrible news. The man was a psychologist. A man who should help other soldiers do their job. But obviously this man turned into a sicko and couldn't live no longer.. I hope this doesn't escalate as some above me already predicted.
Too much hype for a shitty joke.
One thing I don't understand is why he joined the army in the first place when he knew good and well that there was a war in Iraq?
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Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
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woopy clearly never been to the hood.
Either way i jsut dont get this. People are so... pathetic. If you so happen to choose something evil, why not go for something great. Why take a gun and shoot some people? It's too easy, too pointless, as i said, too pathetic. If that's a message you wanna get out then why not state your message before you start shooting people.
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On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard?
It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
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On November 07 2009 02:18 BalliSLife wrote:
Well they kept picking on him for being muslim for what, a couple years now? they had it coming for them. Not saying they deserved it.
Yes, they clearly had a bullet coming for them for that you fucking retard.
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On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
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On November 07 2009 02:58 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 02:18 BalliSLife wrote:
Well they kept picking on him for being muslim for what, a couple years now? they had it coming for them. Not saying they deserved it. Yes, they clearly had a bullet coming for them for that you fucking retard.
No, You're the fucking retard because I didn't say they deserved it. There's a big difference so don't get you're panties up in a bunch
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I said 'they deserved it' because clearly that doesn't mean the same thing!
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On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life).
Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life.
Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda.
That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP.
So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
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There's something about picking on people that have mental issues that never end up too well. Vtech for one and now this incident. If anything I think he probably developed a small form of ptsd as well from treating all the returning soldiers, sad sad stuff.
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On November 07 2009 03:34 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it. But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all. And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
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On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell:
The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
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On November 07 2009 03:44 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:34 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it. But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all. And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage. I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla.
and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
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world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla.
Reading comprehension, get some.
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On November 07 2009 03:57 Undisputed- wrote:
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla.
Reading comprehension, get some.
ha, see, i preemtively edited in an explanation knowing you wouldn't understand such a complicated concept.
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