WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A shooting took place at a U.S. Army base in Fort Hood, Texas but it is unclear how many people were injured and how many shooters were involved, an Army official in Washington said.
The official said the shooting occurred near a theater used for briefings on the base.
Media reports earlier said at least 7 people were killed and 12 wounded.
Media is saying that there is a shooter(s) surrounded and that firing is still going on. Crazy.
Shootings like this are fucked up. I couldn't imagine something like this happening to me, like at my school or something. There's a fuckton of crazy people in this world..
On November 06 2009 12:23 choboPEon wrote: Wonder how long it'll take for a real backlash for Arabs and Muslims? I've read that already a few threatening phone calls have already been made.
This is a terrible situation. Hopefully it's not compounded by some racist backlash.
This happened in Texas... not expecting some type of racist backlash would be wishful thinking.
On November 06 2009 12:23 choboPEon wrote: Wonder how long it'll take for a real backlash for Arabs and Muslims? I've read that already a few threatening phone calls have already been made.
This is a terrible situation. Hopefully it's not compounded by some racist backlash.
This happened in Texas... not expecting some type of racist backlash would be wishful thinking.
update is that liek 12 are dead, including the shooter, and like 20-30 more are injured. the shooter was of jordanian descent or lineage or w/e.. Has a real muslim type name, and not sure if that plays in to it..
heard that he was a soldier that didnt want to go serve a tour of duty.. and i guess this happened? either way.. its really messed up, sad, and unfortunate. I wish the families of the victims well and my condolences go out to them.
On November 06 2009 12:56 Sosha wrote: update is that liek 12 are dead, including the shooter, and like 20-30 more are injured. the shooter was of jordanian descent or lineage or w/e.. Has a real muslim type name, and not sure if that plays in to it..
heard that he was a soldier that didnt want to go serve a tour of duty.. and i guess this happened? either way.. its really messed up, sad, and unfortunate. I wish the families of the victims well and my condolences go out to them.
"has a real muslim type name" wtf does that mean, that some dude could have a fake muslim name?
"not sure if that plays in to it" great job painting the entire brown population with 'real muslim type names' as terrorists.
This will be another one of those things that people will remember for about a week. People will cry for more attention for the condition of the soldiers. Then it will all die down, and in a month's time, people will start citing this case. Sigh...
On November 06 2009 12:23 choboPEon wrote: Wonder how long it'll take for a real backlash for Arabs and Muslims? I've read that already a few threatening phone calls have already been made.
This is a terrible situation. Hopefully it's not compounded by some racist backlash.
This happened in Texas... not expecting some type of racist backlash would be wishful thinking.
Fair enough but there's the rest of the country to consider.
On November 06 2009 13:09 Mystlord wrote: This will be another one of those things that people will remember for about a week. People will cry for more attention for the condition of the soldiers. Then it will all die down, and in a month's time, people will start citing this case. Sigh...
Sad as it is for the individuals involved, if it is a sick individual it does not seem like something that ought to be carved into our national memory with too much weight.
Eh, this is coming out wrong.I don't mean it's something to simply toss aside and forget but it's important to recognize it for what it is - a disturbed individual committing a crime.
It is dangerous to take the action of an individual and give it too much weight. Again, it's sad for the individuals and an investigation should be made into what sort of mental state this man was in but as far as Americans remembering this more than any other random loss of life..
Depends on the details that have yet to emerge, though. There have been plenty of false reports so far and much can change.
On November 06 2009 12:56 Sosha wrote: update is that liek 12 are dead, including the shooter, and like 20-30 more are injured. the shooter was of jordanian descent or lineage or w/e.. Has a real muslim type name, and not sure if that plays in to it..
heard that he was a soldier that didnt want to go serve a tour of duty.. and i guess this happened? either way.. its really messed up, sad, and unfortunate. I wish the families of the victims well and my condolences go out to them.
"has a real muslim type name" wtf does that mean, that some dude could have a fake muslim name?
"not sure if that plays in to it" great job painting the entire brown population with 'real muslim type names' as terrorists.
Whoa man, I think he was just saying that his named sounded foreign and so he was wondering if race would be an issue brought up in this whole thing. I don't think there was any intention of offense.
Hmmm he was a major huh? Thats a officers rank correct? So he must of been a West Point grad then right. You would think a guy who has a strong enough mind, and body to get threw west point training would not just snap like that.
This is shocking and disturbing. This guy was US born, apparently served with the military for over 20 years and he was an army psychiatrist who treated soldiers with mental health problems....
On November 06 2009 12:56 Sosha wrote: update is that liek 12 are dead, including the shooter, and like 20-30 more are injured. the shooter was of jordanian descent or lineage or w/e.. Has a real muslim type name, and not sure if that plays in to it..
heard that he was a soldier that didnt want to go serve a tour of duty.. and i guess this happened? either way.. its really messed up, sad, and unfortunate. I wish the families of the victims well and my condolences go out to them.
"has a real muslim type name" wtf does that mean, that some dude could have a fake muslim name?
"not sure if that plays in to it" great job painting the entire brown population with 'real muslim type names' as terrorists.
chill out man, why are you jumping on him for no reason. it's a possibility that could have triggered such actions and we all know what he means
You know what this really shows? It does not matter if your 15 or 31 years old. If you have to go to school or work everyday and have your balls busted by people. It makes you want to kill a bitch. Being bullied is a hell of a thing.
On November 06 2009 14:40 InToTheWannaB wrote: Hmmm he was a major huh? Thats a officers rank correct? So he must of been a West Point grad then right. You would think a guy who has a strong enough mind, and body to get threw west point training would not just snap like that.
Word is he's a practicing Muslim and was going to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month and he really didn't want to go. He had some Internet forum postings comparing suicide bombers to soldiers that cover grenades with their bodies to save the lives of others, and blasting US foreign policy. Not sure if that ties into it at all, but it would be a possible explanation for "snapping".
Uh just because hes an officier dosent mean he went to west point and all that. His religin has probably nothing to do with it as he has problems before and was not happy about his current state.
On November 06 2009 14:40 InToTheWannaB wrote: Hmmm he was a major huh? Thats a officers rank correct? So he must of been a West Point grad then right. You would think a guy who has a strong enough mind, and body to get threw west point training would not just snap like that.
Word is he's a practicing Muslim and was going to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month and he really didn't want to go. He had some Internet forum postings comparing suicide bombers to soldiers that cover grenades with their bodies to save the lives of others, and blasting US foreign policy. Not sure if that ties into it at all, but it would be a possible explanation for "snapping".
This is crazy, they couldn´t force him to go? Not in US where military service isn´t mandatory right. So why not resign or something if it´s against your ideology?
I hope no death penalty, they guy clearly wasn´t in full mental health. A healthy person wouldn´t have tried to solve his problems by going on a rampage so I really don´t understand these posts calling for death penalty... The guy probably has had schizophrenia or something lurking for years like many of us do.
And he has a point there in his forum postings doesn´t he. Point doesn´t mean truth so don´t stomp me.
Better spoiler this for the ppl who would be offended by jokes about this. If you know you're quickly offended when people make fun of the army DON'T LOOK + Show Spoiler +
Could i say: "it happens all the time in the hood"?
On a serious note, this is horrible news. The man was a psychologist. A man who should help other soldiers do their job. But obviously this man turned into a sicko and couldn't live no longer..
I hope this doesn't escalate as some above me already predicted.
On November 06 2009 14:40 InToTheWannaB wrote: Hmmm he was a major huh? Thats a officers rank correct? So he must of been a West Point grad then right. You would think a guy who has a strong enough mind, and body to get threw west point training would not just snap like that.
Word is he's a practicing Muslim and was going to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month and he really didn't want to go. He had some Internet forum postings comparing suicide bombers to soldiers that cover grenades with their bodies to save the lives of others, and blasting US foreign policy. Not sure if that ties into it at all, but it would be a possible explanation for "snapping".
This is crazy, they couldn´t force him to go? Not in US where military service isn´t mandatory right. So why not resign or something if it´s against your ideology?
I hope no death penalty, they guy clearly wasn´t in full mental health. A healthy person wouldn´t have tried to solve his problems by going on a rampage so I really don´t understand these posts calling for death penalty... The guy probably has had schizophrenia or something lurking for years like many of us do.
And he has a point there in his forum postings doesn´t he. Point doesn´t mean truth so don´t stomp me.
When you sign up you sign a contract. You agree to surrender your free will and hold your personal ideology second to the requirements of the military. If you can't do that you don't sign up. Naturally there's a limit, if I was ordered to kill innocent civilians I'd refuse, and naturally he went about it the wrong way (huge understatement), but he couldn't just resign here. He could speak to his CO about ethical problems and a conflict of interests and see if he could get deployed elsewhere or he could face a court martial for refusing to obey orders.
Just turning a gun on people is insane. Although he couldn't just resign there were a number of options all of which were better than mass murder.
Actually him being a psychiatrist makes sense... the person most likely to snap, the one that has been hearing about everyone else's problems... and now he is going to have to go and deal with it directly.
On November 06 2009 21:10 wo0py wrote: Better spoiler this for the ppl who would be offended by jokes about this. If you know you're quickly offended when people make fun of the army DON'T LOOK + Show Spoiler +
Could i say: "it happens all the time in the hood"?
On a serious note, this is horrible news. The man was a psychologist. A man who should help other soldiers do their job. But obviously this man turned into a sicko and couldn't live no longer..
I hope this doesn't escalate as some above me already predicted.
Too much hype for a shitty joke.
One thing I don't understand is why he joined the army in the first place when he knew good and well that there was a war in Iraq?
Either way i jsut dont get this. People are so... pathetic. If you so happen to choose something evil, why not go for something great. Why take a gun and shoot some people? It's too easy, too pointless, as i said, too pathetic. If that's a message you wanna get out then why not state your message before you start shooting people.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
On November 07 2009 02:18 BalliSLife wrote: Well they kept picking on him for being muslim for what, a couple years now? they had it coming for them. Not saying they deserved it.
Yes, they clearly had a bullet coming for them for that you fucking retard.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
On November 07 2009 02:18 BalliSLife wrote: Well they kept picking on him for being muslim for what, a couple years now? they had it coming for them. Not saying they deserved it.
Yes, they clearly had a bullet coming for them for that you fucking retard.
No, You're the fucking retard because I didn't say they deserved it. There's a big difference so don't get you're panties up in a bunch
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
There's something about picking on people that have mental issues that never end up too well. Vtech for one and now this incident. If anything I think he probably developed a small form of ptsd as well from treating all the returning soldiers, sad sad stuff.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
So atheists cause more crime because they don't believe in hell? I don't need to be scared of the boogey man to be a good person. Anyways pretty sure we have laws for that kind of thing anyway.
Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran. It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point.
Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
So atheists cause more crime because they don't believe in hell? I don't need to be scared of the boogey man to be a good person. Anyways pretty sure we have laws for that kind of thing anyway.
Most of atheists aren't really atheists. They aren't people who don't believe in God, they are people who deny God. No matter how high you parade your disbelief there is always doubt.
Besides Christianity has been around for 2000 years. Its moral values are deeply integrated in our society. So even the people who don't believe in God have had their morals shaped by religion.
On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote: Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran. It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point.
Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2.
Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating.
On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote: Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran. It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point.
Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2.
Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating.
Yeah why are you even telling me that? Patriotism can also be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. How does that make religion any less so?
On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote: Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran. It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom.
So typical, you have no argument so you continue to insult.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point.
Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2.
Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating.
Yeah why are you even telling me that? Patriotism can also be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. How does that make religion any less so?
I am not denying that religion is used to manipulate people. I'm just saying that if it didn't exist the power vacuum would be filled with patriotism. The middle east would still be middle east and the arabs would be battling jews for Israeli land. However if there was no religion, nothing would substitute the atonement it gives those in need.
On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote: Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran. It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom.
So typical, you have no argument so you continue to insult.
That's because further conversation is impossible because you lack the knowledge required to argue over interpretations of Koran. It is not my fault.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith.
Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point.
Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2.
Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating.
Yeah why are you even telling me that? Patriotism can also be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. How does that make religion any less so?
I am not denying that religion is used to manipulate people. I'm just saying that if it didn't exist the power vacuum would be filled with patriotism. The middle east would still be middle east and the arabs would be battling jews of Israeli land.
You're telling that to someone who lives in a country where there are no real presence of neither religion nor patriotism. It's a pretty ridiculous statement, I mean sure, there will always be those with power that abuse it one way or another but how does that justify anything of what you're saying?
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
I don´t want to get into anykind of fight here but the Norse/whole european "pagan" belief system was all about learning as humans. It was not that racially or religiously intolerant even though you know the Vikings liked to fight a lot . The Vikings thought that they were as race closer to Valhalla which is much like Nirvana, but they also thought people from other places could learn and eventually by rebirth also achieve Valhalla. If you look at their mythology it´s all about wisdom and mans task on Earth was to learn and achieve " something". So I don´t see why people would nuke eachother.
And you sir are wrong about 90% of people and hell. There is no clear rulebook, no Bible does not explain clearly what is wrong or right and the Book itself contradicts itself on many occasions. Things aren´t black and white, eventhough some people think it´s okay to teach so to children. Life and humanity is all about motifs and weighing things with your consciousness.
If you read your post carefully you see that what you´re saying is all atheists/agnostics are people who worship chaos and do things randomly, now if you look at crime statistics you see it´s pretty much vice versa, it´s religious people who do much more crime than atheists.
And patriotism has already been used an is used all the time ? How else could you explain nations and wars and the current world situation? Democracy is not magic, there is always very few people who rule a nation, in some nations fewer than others. Patriotism is excuse for many countries having a mandatory military service and such. Patriotism is used in USA so that people accept attacking other countries for no apparent reason as US has never been attacked on it´s own soil by another country, there were no nuclear weapons in Irak nor there were then plans even to use them against the US.
On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote: Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it
While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism).
It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs.
I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though.
Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it.
But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all.
And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage.
I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things.
world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
I don´t want to get into anykind of fight here but the Norse/whole european "pagan" belief system was all about learning as humans. It was not that racially or religiously intolerant even though you know the Vikings liked to fight a lot . The Vikings thought that they were as race closer to Valhalla which is much like Nirvana, but they also thought people from other places could learn and eventually by rebirth also achieve Valhalla. If you look at their mythology it´s all about wisdom and mans task on Earth was to learn and achieve " something". So I don´t see why people would nuke eachother.
I will not claim to be an expert on Nordic religions, but i am fairly sure the only way to get to Valhalla was on a field of strife?
And you sir are wrong about 90% of people and hell. There is no clear rulebook, no Bible does not explain clearly what is wrong or right and the Book itself contradicts itself on many occasions. Things aren´t black and white, eventhough some people think it´s okay to teach so to children. Life and humanity is all about motifs and weighing things with your consciousness.
The only way you would get that impression is if you treated Old and New testament as some kind of competing systems of belief harbored in the same religion. Which they're not. You can't go wrong with disregarding Old Testament in it's entirety.
If you read your post carefully you see that what you´re saying is all atheists/agnostics are people who worship chaos and do things randomly, now if you look at crime statistics you see it´s pretty much vice versa, it´s religious people who do much more crime than atheists.
i did not say that. And even tho i think you made up these statistics, it's hardly suprising given predominance of religious people over atheists.
On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote: I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here.
That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T
Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues.
Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well.
However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote: I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here.
That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T
Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues.
Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well.
However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant.
On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote: Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran. It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom.
So typical, you have no argument so you continue to insult.
That's because further conversation is impossible because you lack the knowledge required to argue over interpretations of Koran. It is not my fault.
In the Koran Islam was spread by the sword, murdering, pillaging taking slaves that kind of thing. There is some peace and love in the earlier (date wise) sections but the Koran is not in chronological order. You seem to have read the Koran so let me know what I don't understand.
The statistics are true even prosentually, I would´ve said that but my english is rather limited. You can find those statistic with google I´m certain of that. And that is exactly what you ment, you said people need religion to tell them what is wrong and what is right, like people themselves couldn´t make somekinda rules.
I´m no expert on old Central European/Greek/Norse religions either and they aren´t exactly alike but based on what little I´ve learned, I´m quite certain they weren´t so stupid to fight anyone just so they could try to get to Valhalla. No it was all about knowledge.
And if Old Testament isn´t part of Christianity, why would it be in the Bible? You know originally they would baptize only Jews not any little kid. Anyway that is just your way of interpreting Christianity, I´m just surprised you think God would say something and then send his son to say how things really are.
But now this is going Offtopic so I advice everyone to stop meaningless bantering.
On topic, I hate the way media nowadays always immediately starts to entice to viewers/readers/listeners with these kinds of sad incidents. In the video they had already done a flashy banner "Attack at Fort Hood" or something like that and they always show the horrible footage over and over so it makes me want to puke. A little (self-)respect plz.
On topic, I hate the way media nowadays always immediately starts to entice to viewers/readers/listeners with these kinds of sad incidents. In the video they had already done a flashy banner "Rampage at Fort Hood" and they always show the horrible footage over and over so it makes me want to puke. A little (self-)respect plz.
I saw "Attack on Fort Hood", I thought that was a little odd. Made it sound like a military strike or something.
On topic, I hate the way media nowadays always immediately starts to entice to viewers/readers/listeners with these kinds of sad incidents. In the video they had already done a flashy banner "Rampage at Fort Hood" and they always show the horrible footage over and over so it makes me want to puke. A little (self-)respect plz.
I saw "Attack on Fort Hood", I thought that was a little odd. Made it sound like a military strike or something.
Well something like that. Anyway the fact that newschannels try to attract viewers with stuff like this and succeed in it makes me a sad panda.
On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote: I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here.
That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T
Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues.
Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well.
However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant.
i do not understand what is ur general idea you're trying to convey to me.
On November 07 2009 04:39 HwangjaeTerran wrote: The statistics are true even prosentually, I would´ve said that but my english is rather limited. You can find those statistic with google I´m certain of that.
Lol no thanks you find them for me since you claim em to be true.
And that is exactly what you ment, you said people need religion to tell them what is wrong and what is right, like people themselves couldn´t make somekinda rules.
Oh i thought by chaos you meant some kind of satanic worshipping anarchists. No surely people would come up with their own moral values, however that would be an entirely different and harder journey. Surely burning in hell for eternity divulges some people from doing naughty stuff.
I´m no expert on old Central European/Greek/Norse religions either and they aren´t exactly alike but based on what little I´ve learned, I´m quite certain they weren´t so stupid to fight anyone just so they could try to get to Valhalla. No it was all about knowledge.
Well, if you dont how about you don't claim it was all about knowledge? killing people and dying was definitely a giagantic part of nordic(and greek) religions.
And if Old Testament isn´t part of Christianity, why would it be in the Bible? You know originally they would baptize only Jews not any little kid. Anyway that is just your way of interpreting Christianity, I´m just surprised you think God would say something and then send his son to say how things really are.
Pretty much says so in the Bible. You're hilarious, you're trying to judge what a God would do?
On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote: I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here.
That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T
Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues.
Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well.
However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant.
i do not understand what is ur general idea you're trying to convey to me.
Basically, given your statement that without the notion of a 'hell' in the back of everyones mind there would be people committing crimes on a very large scale, I was wondering how you felt about the fact that there are existing nations without much religion nor patriotism that get by with fairly low crime rates (much lower than those in more religious countries, i.e. USA).
It seems to me like New Testament is pretty much a footnote to Old Testament. It's like people were too retarded to comprehend what was written in the Old one so they had to spell it out for people.(i.e. an eye for an eye logically results in peace as well, but humans took it as if it was a signal to whack everyone and anyone who opposes them). But, alas, it seems to be still too hard to comprehend.
On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote: I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here.
That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T
Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues.
Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well.
However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant.
i do not understand what is ur general idea you're trying to convey to me.
Basically, given your statement that without the notion of a 'hell' in the back of everyones mind there would be people committing crimes on a very large scale, I was wondering how you felt about the fact that there are existing nations without much religion nor patriotism that get by with fairly low crime rates (much lower than those in more religious countries, i.e. USA).
i don't deny that humans have the ability to achieve a successfully run society, but that doesn't really correlate with my statement, because the question is would US crimerates be lower if it was less religious? I can claim for example that it wouldn't because the crimerate in less religious areas(i.e. New York State, New Jersey, California) is a lot higher then in the religious mid-states. There wouldn't be true correlation there either though because a metropolis is a lot different than a suburban area.
On November 07 2009 04:39 HwangjaeTerran wrote: The statistics are true even prosentually, I would´ve said that but my english is rather limited. You can find those statistic with google I´m certain of that.
Lol no thanks you find them for me since you claim em to be true.
And that is exactly what you ment, you said people need religion to tell them what is wrong and what is right, like people themselves couldn´t make somekinda rules.
Oh i thought by chaos you meant some kind of satanic worshipping anarchists. No surely people would come up with their own moral values, however that would be an entirely different and harder journey. Surely burning in hell for eternity divulges some people from doing naughty stuff.
I´m no expert on old Central European/Greek/Norse religions either and they aren´t exactly alike but based on what little I´ve learned, I´m quite certain they weren´t so stupid to fight anyone just so they could try to get to Valhalla. No it was all about knowledge.
Well, if you dont how about you don't claim it was all about knowledge? killing people and dying was definitely a giagantic part of nordic(and greek) religions.
And if Old Testament isn´t part of Christianity, why would it be in the Bible? You know originally they would baptize only Jews not any little kid. Anyway that is just your way of interpreting Christianity, I´m just surprised you think God would say something and then send his son to say how things really are.
Pretty much says so in the Bible. You're hilarious, you're trying to judge what a God would do?
Now I´m really sorry but are you trolling me? In your last post you judge me and at the same time you are just the same are you not? And when I said I knew very little about the Norse culture I still meant I knew a bit more than the going berserk on foreing shores part. Also I´m not sure what you mean when you first agree that atheists do have their own rules and then you say that if there was no religion it would take time to make those rules and shit would hit the fan.
But as I said this is not the place nor do I have the time to argue on the interwebs, anyway does anyone have any news or something interesting regarding this incident? I´m curious how this could happen in a military base, aren´t they supposed to be somewhat secure? Like you can´t just walk around with armed AR´s or so?
Is it really so hard to comprehend that if it wasn't for 2000 years of persuasion that if we do bad stuff we go to hell for eternity the world would be a lot different(and quiet possibly worse)?
Well in a military camp, you wouldn't expect there to be any trouble. Troops are normally not armed unless they're in training, and only the security in the area actually carry weapons all the time. If the guy hid the weapons in his clothes, it's not too hard to believe that he could get into the area where he wanted to once he was inside the base, and he could have gotten easy access by just driving in and hiding the weapons in the car.
On November 07 2009 05:10 Sfydjklm wrote: Is it really so hard to comprehend that if it wasn't for 2000 years of persuasion that if we do bad stuff we go to hell for eternity the world would be a lot different(and quiet possibly worse)?
Yes it is,because I haven´t been around for 2000 years. And people have done just as much bad stuff and good stuff this whole time, the church system isn´t free of bad stuff anymore than others. Pope himself just made a commandment that catholic priests suspected of child molesting should not say anything to those prosecuting him. I can´t see that as a good deed. But you are clearly very Christianity biased so nothing I say really makes any difference, now please stick to the subject, I´m sure you´ll do just fine in life whatever your views may be and I wish you best of luck with SC and everything else.
On November 07 2009 05:39 BlackJack wrote: great job derailing the thread guys
Yes i know and I´m sorry, but sometimes I just can´t help myself replying.
On November 07 2009 05:14 Mystlord wrote: Well in a military camp, you wouldn't expect there to be any trouble. Troops are normally not armed unless they're in training, and only the security in the area actually carry weapons all the time. If the guy hid the weapons in his clothes, it's not too hard to believe that he could get into the area where he wanted to once he was inside the base, and he could have gotten easy access by just driving in and hiding the weapons in the car.
Yeah, weird when you think about it, if it was in a public place the death toll would´ve probably been smaller :S as I understand many people do carry handguns in America ?
No HwangjaeTerran, most americans do NOT carry guns on their person. Infact its illegal to carry a concealed weapon, tho I think you can get a permit or something to carry but its not common.
On November 07 2009 05:54 Slaughter wrote: No HwangjaeTerran, most americans do NOT carry guns on their person. Infact its illegal to carry a concealed weapon, tho I think you can get a permit or something to carry but its not common.
Wow really? I´m quite surprised of the image that has been given around here then. You can´t have a gun like in your bag? Because that´s where the women always carry their gun in the movies.. I understand that you can´t take a gun to restaurants or such, but can you keep it in your car then? So the guns are solely for home defence not for any other defence, I stand corrected.
Not being a part of the argument, i still have to say that it's sad that you guys are arguing about something so random within a topic about a big shooting.
On November 07 2009 05:10 Sfydjklm wrote: Is it really so hard to comprehend that if it wasn't for 2000 years of persuasion that if we do bad stuff we go to hell for eternity the world would be a lot different(and quiet possibly worse)?
i know people think reading about how to make money, make relationships work, or how to lose weight is sometimes pathetic.
but reading a book because you can't form morals for yourself....
On November 07 2009 06:15 ghermination wrote: Not being a part of the argument, i still have to say that it's sad that you guys are arguing about something so random within a topic about a big shooting.
gun laws? shooting? I think there is enough connection as every shooting will have it´s affection on peoples opinion about the laws made to somewhat prevent these shootings. And this isn´t a big shooting, civil war in Kongo was a big shooting. Of course it feels bad just the same. And I think people should discuss and react so somehow some of these incidents could maybe be prevented. Rather react than just watch.
Major Hasan, 42, an Army psychiatrist and an American-born Muslim of Palestinian descent, opened fire inside a medical processing complex known as the Soldier Readiness Processing Center on Nov. 5, 2009, shooting unarmed soldiers and commissioned officers as they tried to hide under desks and tables. His assault, one of the deadliest mass shootings at an American military base, left 13 dead and more than 30 others wounded. [...]
Despite the evidence of Major Hasan’s self-radicalization, prosecutors do not have to prove that he was a homegrown terrorist. He faces not terrorism but murder charges, and prosecutors have to prove only that he acted with intent and premeditation. [...]
Major Hasan, who appeared in camouflage fatigues and the beard that his former Army defense lawyers fought for his right to wear, became the only defendant in recent history to represent himself in a military capital-punishment case.[...]
If convicted, he could become the first American soldier in 52 years to be sent to death row and executed at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. The last military death sentence was carried out there in April 1961, with the hanging of John A. Bennett, an Army private who was convicted of the rape and attempted murder of an 11-year-old girl.
What I found odd was that the judge had the authority to rule out certain aspects. She i.e. forbids the defendant to claim that he was part of the international djihad and was fighting in a worldwide war against muslims. The trial also don't seem to address the act of terror and the radicalization of Hasan despite. . .(wiki)
In February 2010, the Boston Globe obtained a confidential internal report detailing results of the Army's investigation. According to the Globe, the report concluded that officers within the Army were aware of Hasan's tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. It noted one incident in 2007 in which Hasan gave a classroom presentation titled, "Is the War on Terrorism a War on Islam: An Islamic Perspective". The instructor reportedly interrupted Hasan, as he thought the psychiatrist was trying to justify terrorism, according to the Globe. Hasan's superior officers took no action related to this incident, believing Hasan's comments were protected under the First Amendment and that having a Muslim psychiatrist contributed to diversity. The report noted that Hasan's statements might have been grounds for removing him from service, as the First Amendment did not apply to soldiers in the same way as for civilians.
Also "Army rules prohibit the judge from accepting a guilty plea in a death penalty case." which result in his weird wording that "the evidence will show that I am guilty" in his opening statement. He as his own defender will have the chance to question all witnesses including his surviving victims.
EPT
. The Vikings thought that they were as race closer to Valhalla which is much like Nirvana, but they also thought people from other places could learn and eventually by rebirth also achieve Valhalla. If you look at their mythology it´s all about wisdom and mans task on Earth was to learn and achieve " something". So I don´t see why people would nuke eachother.
