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On November 07 2009 03:53 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:44 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 03:34 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it. But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all. And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage. I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things. world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
So atheists cause more crime because they don't believe in hell? I don't need to be scared of the boogey man to be a good person. Anyways pretty sure we have laws for that kind of thing anyway.
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Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran.
It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
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On November 07 2009 03:47 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith. Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism.
What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point.
Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
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Well if the survived being shot, he's going to be shot again.
He commited this act during a time of war, will be court marshelled, found guilty and put to the firing squad.
I have no doubt he will wish he died during his time in military prison. They will not be... nice.
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On November 07 2009 04:01 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 03:44 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 03:34 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it. But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all. And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage. I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things. world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things. So atheists cause more crime because they don't believe in hell? I don't need to be scared of the boogey man to be a good person. Anyways pretty sure we have laws for that kind of thing anyway.
Most of atheists aren't really atheists. They aren't people who don't believe in God, they are people who deny God. No matter how high you parade your disbelief there is always doubt.
Besides Christianity has been around for 2000 years. Its moral values are deeply integrated in our society. So even the people who don't believe in God have had their morals shaped by religion.
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On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran.
It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum.
Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
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On November 07 2009 04:04 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith. Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism. What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point. Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation.
Iraqi War.
Cold War.
World War 2.
Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating.
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On November 07 2009 04:06 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran.
It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum. Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though.
No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom.
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On November 07 2009 04:07 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:04 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 03:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith. Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism. What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point. Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation. Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2. Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating.
Yeah why are you even telling me that? Patriotism can also be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. How does that make religion any less so?
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On November 07 2009 04:08 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:06 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran.
It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum. Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though. No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom.
So typical, you have no argument so you continue to insult.
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On November 07 2009 04:10 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:07 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:04 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 03:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith. Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism. What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point. Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation. Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2. Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating. Yeah why are you even telling me that? Patriotism can also be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. How does that make religion any less so?
I am not denying that religion is used to manipulate people. I'm just saying that if it didn't exist the power vacuum would be filled with patriotism. The middle east would still be middle east and the arabs would be battling jews for Israeli land.
However if there was no religion, nothing would substitute the atonement it gives those in need.
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On November 07 2009 04:10 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:08 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:06 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran.
It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum. Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though. No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom. So typical, you have no argument so you continue to insult.
That's because further conversation is impossible because you lack the knowledge required to argue over interpretations of Koran. It is not my fault.
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On November 07 2009 04:11 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:10 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:07 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:04 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 03:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. edit: Considering the dude was yelling allahu akbar while shooting, it's pretty clear that he just MIGHT have been driven by his faith. Here's what i wrote in a nutshell: The benefits of religion far outweight the negatives, because if religion didnt exist people will find a new way to be manipulated- i.e. patriotism. What makes you say that? Could you support that statement with some solid facts because it really sounds like you're just pulling things out of your ass. I live in two of the most secularized countries in the world and the way I see it it's all for the better. Outspoken patriotism is also very rarely encountered here and the reason why bush could play on such a thing was only a result of the general climate in USA at that point. Still, I certainly don't have anything against religion as long as it doesn't effect me directly. I also would thank christianity for many of the fundamentally important moral values we have in society today. That being said, I don't see why the lack of religion necessarily must bring on some other form of mass-manipulation. Iraqi War. Cold War. World War 2. Religion was nowhere near those wars. Patriotism is far more devastating. Yeah why are you even telling me that? Patriotism can also be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. How does that make religion any less so? I am not denying that religion is used to manipulate people. I'm just saying that if it didn't exist the power vacuum would be filled with patriotism. The middle east would still be middle east and the arabs would be battling jews of Israeli land.
You're telling that to someone who lives in a country where there are no real presence of neither religion nor patriotism. It's a pretty ridiculous statement, I mean sure, there will always be those with power that abuse it one way or another but how does that justify anything of what you're saying?
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On November 07 2009 03:53 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:44 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 03:34 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it. But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all. And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage. I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things. world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things.
I don´t want to get into anykind of fight here but the Norse/whole european "pagan" belief system was all about learning as humans. It was not that racially or religiously intolerant even though you know the Vikings liked to fight a lot  . The Vikings thought that they were as race closer to Valhalla which is much like Nirvana, but they also thought people from other places could learn and eventually by rebirth also achieve Valhalla. If you look at their mythology it´s all about wisdom and mans task on Earth was to learn and achieve " something". So I don´t see why people would nuke eachother.
And you sir are wrong about 90% of people and hell. There is no clear rulebook, no Bible does not explain clearly what is wrong or right and the Book itself contradicts itself on many occasions. Things aren´t black and white, eventhough some people think it´s okay to teach so to children. Life and humanity is all about motifs and weighing things with your consciousness.
If you read your post carefully you see that what you´re saying is all atheists/agnostics are people who worship chaos and do things randomly, now if you look at crime statistics you see it´s pretty much vice versa, it´s religious people who do much more crime than atheists.
And patriotism has already been used an is used all the time ?
How else could you explain nations and wars and the current world situation?
Democracy is not magic, there is always very few people who rule a nation, in some nations fewer than others. Patriotism is excuse for many countries having a mandatory military service and such. Patriotism is used in USA so that people accept attacking other countries for no apparent reason as US has never been attacked on it´s own soil by another country, there were no nuclear weapons in Irak nor there were then plans even to use them against the US.
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I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
directed at hifriend.
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On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please.
We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state.
There are hardly any patriots here.
That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T
Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues. We don't really need that shit.
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On November 07 2009 04:15 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 03:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 03:44 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 03:34 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On November 07 2009 03:07 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 02:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 02:47 Undisputed- wrote:
Religion is so fucking stupid the world would be better without it While we're randomly throwing insults around may i call you a retard? It's not religion, it's human nature. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things(as in Bush's administration of post 9/11 appeal to patriotism). It's not too random, I think this incident was motivated by him being targeted because of his religious beliefs. I think religion was created as a scam to control the uneducated masses and has caused more harm then good. That's just my opinion though. Well I will not bash your opinion, but I don´t think that´s they way religions started. I think religions were created to explain stuff that people couldn´t understand, and also to explain stuff that happened in dream worlds and when people were high ( people have always used hallusinogenic mushrooms and plants as part of spiritual life). Okay, there were some religions in which, when they learnt that what some stuff really meant or how things really were, they removed the corresponding "nonsense" part of their spiritual life. Of course this was not the case in all religions and so they still have these mostly written parts that we know try to explain something we already know through science and that´s why things like Bible may seem "stupid". However there are always people who can find stuff they want to find in there and yes some find belief there, but there is always people who can use other peoples belief and these older, now"useless" writings to support their agenda. That´s why "religion" has been "causing" so much trouble as you think. However religion itself is never bad in my opinion, and if you take religion from people they will always find something they believe, good example of this is CCCP. So while not a scam itself it can be used as a scam to control masses as a part of the political arsenal: the Romans did it, Popes do it (don´t kill me) and even George Bush Jr. did it and got away with it. But now we are talking about an individual, I don´t think religion was that important here. It was his own ideology which, yes, may have been backed by his religion of choice, and some sort of mental disorder which, as I already said, are more common than we´d think. This is because many of these disorders can lurk around for years and maybe not activate at all. And of course this was all IMO, except the part with the politicians/power struggle and this individual who went on rampage. I meant modern religions like Christianity, Islam and so on were more or less created to control people and promote intolerance. I agree that Greek/Norse and other types of mythology were attempts to explain things. world totally would be a better place if we'd be constantly nuking each other in attempts to get to vallhalla. and what i mean by that is that you completely misunderstand the connotation of religion. If you were to believe religion was "created," it was created as a moral compass. You seriously underestimate how much more fucked up the world would be if 90% of the planet wasn't having thoughts about hell in the back of their head before doing shitty things. I don´t want to get into anykind of fight here but the Norse/whole european "pagan" belief system was all about learning as humans. It was not that racially or religiously intolerant even though you know the Vikings liked to fight a lot . The Vikings thought that they were as race closer to Valhalla which is much like Nirvana, but they also thought people from other places could learn and eventually by rebirth also achieve Valhalla. If you look at their mythology it´s all about wisdom and mans task on Earth was to learn and achieve " something". So I don´t see why people would nuke eachother. I will not claim to be an expert on Nordic religions, but i am fairly sure the only way to get to Valhalla was on a field of strife?
And you sir are wrong about 90% of people and hell. There is no clear rulebook, no Bible does not explain clearly what is wrong or right and the Book itself contradicts itself on many occasions. Things aren´t black and white, eventhough some people think it´s okay to teach so to children. Life and humanity is all about motifs and weighing things with your consciousness.
The only way you would get that impression is if you treated Old and New testament as some kind of competing systems of belief harbored in the same religion. Which they're not. You can't go wrong with disregarding Old Testament in it's entirety.
If you read your post carefully you see that what you´re saying is all atheists/agnostics are people who worship chaos and do things randomly, now if you look at crime statistics you see it´s pretty much vice versa, it´s religious people who do much more crime than atheists.
i did not say that.
And even tho i think you made up these statistics, it's hardly suprising given predominance of religious people over atheists.
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On November 07 2009 04:20 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please. We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here. That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues.
Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well.
However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
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On November 07 2009 04:23 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:20 hifriend wrote:On November 07 2009 04:15 Sfydjklm wrote:
I do not understand what you're saying. Restate your question in its entirety please. We are more or less completely secularized, especially in state. There are hardly any patriots here. That gave you some sort of fatal error in the brain or something? T.T Religion, patriotism and people in power abusing their position are really three separate issues. Sweden is a great country for sure. You have handsome broads as well. However maybe instead of trying to insult me you should go and learn to comprehensively converse in english? I was willing to cut you slack because it clearly is your second language but you sir need to learn some manners.
Heh yeah I'm not saying that I write great in english but instead of telling me to "go and learn to comprehensively converse" it would probably be a better idea just to quote whatever it was you couldn't comprehend and I'll try to explain what I meant.
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On November 07 2009 04:13 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 04:10 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 04:08 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 07 2009 04:06 Undisputed- wrote:On November 07 2009 04:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Bible doesn't say kill infidel and neither does Koran.
It's idiots like you who pass their judgment without reading the actual "manual" that blow themselves up in the name of God, except they happen to get thrown on the other end of the spectrum. Actually yes it does you should read it sometime. Islam is not a peaceful religion. There is some pretty fucked up shit in the bible too though. No it doesn't. You haven't even read Bible, you expect me to believe you have any knowledge of Koran? Go watch the movie Traitor, it will explain you what Islam is while keeping your ADD impaired attention with bang boom boom. So typical, you have no argument so you continue to insult. That's because further conversation is impossible because you lack the knowledge required to argue over interpretations of Koran. It is not my fault.
In the Koran Islam was spread by the sword, murdering, pillaging taking slaves that kind of thing. There is some peace and love in the earlier (date wise) sections but the Koran is not in chronological order. You seem to have read the Koran so let me know what I don't understand.
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