EPTDarwin: Too Controversial for America? - Page 5
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JacobDaKung
Sweden132 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:58 B00ts wrote: About this whole... "you can't prove a scientific theory" statement I keep seeing... What about Newton's Theory of Gravity... Is gravity not proven to exist? Positive proof is only possible in logics and math, for regular science only consistensy and evidence supporting the claim is possible. This means a theory is only valid until it is proven to false or when it cant explain an observation. This doenst however mean that the entire theory falls when it is wrong is some part, look at gravity for most cases newtons version of gravity is enough and "minor" adjustments were made in order to unify with relativistics. | ||
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Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
I think besides Canada, America, and "third world" countries 85%+ believe in evolution. But i might be talking out my ass. | ||
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gchan
United States654 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:58 B00ts wrote: About this whole... "you can't prove a scientific theory" statement I keep seeing... What about Newton's Theory of Gravity... Is gravity not proven to exist? That's the beauty of science. Nothing can be shown to be absolutely 100% true for all time and all space. The element of uncertainty and doubt is what drives science to constantly research new ideas. That's why nothing in science can truly be "proven"; and that's also the platform religious extremes use to scare people about how evolution isn't "true." | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
just wanted to drop in with a common definition because to me it seems some people don't even know what the word means. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:13 NicolBolas wrote: Asked and answered. Gravity is a verifiable fact: matter attracts matter. Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation states that all matter attracts matter with a force in inverse proportion to the square of the distance and in direct proportion of the two masses, with a constant of proportionality G. And this is demonstrably wrong. There are other terms involved; Einstein's Theory of General Relativity corrected Newtonian gravitation. Even if there were no relativistic drifts, gravity would not be a fact, and it is not a fact. Technically, it could be an extremely miniscule coincidence (less likely than finding a specific particle in the entire universe) of random movement. Science does not do facts, and assertions like this is what allows people to obfuscate evolution as a mere theory. | ||
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Draconizard
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It's impossible to "know" anything about the universe as a fact. Even something as self evident as gravity (not the theory) could in fact be the work of some devious clan of magical gremlins bent on making us believe in something that isn't actually true. However, to posit something like this as an explanation is simply ridiculous. | ||
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Vharox
United States1037 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:19 Ichigo1234551 wrote: There are a lot of stupid people in america. almost 90 percent rednecks lol?? | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
1) generate controversy 2) distribute to more interest 3) ???? 4) profit as opposed to any real "too controversial for US!!!!' | ||
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JacobDaKung
Sweden132 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:53 igotmyown wrote: Even if there were no relativistic drifts, gravity would not be a fact, and it is not a fact. Technically, it could be an extremely miniscule coincidence (less likely than finding a specific particle in the entire universe) of random movement. Science does not do facts, and assertions like this is what allows people to obfuscate evolution as a mere theory. Something being a fact just means that it is observeble, noting more nothing less. Gravity is a fact, or dont you observe it every day? short note book for what scientist mean: fact - observeble theory - compilation of facts, predictions and explainations to facts (supported by evidence, ofc) | ||
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baal
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On September 14 2009 07:05 JacobDaKung wrote: Something being a fact just means that it is observeble, noting more nothing less. Gravity is a fact, or dont you observe it every day? short note book for what scientist mean: fact - observeble theory - compilation of facts, predictions and explainations to facts (supported by evidence, ofc) gravity is not a fact, why do you discuss things you are absolutely ignorant off. Actually if we get really anal about gravity which was considered a law, it has proven to be a flawed concept since newer theories speak more of a curvature in space rather than an invisible attraction force. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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JacobDaKung
Sweden132 Posts
On September 14 2009 07:25 baal wrote: gravity is not a fact, why do you discuss things you are absolutely ignorant off. Actually if we get really anal about gravity which was considered a law, it has proven to be a flawed concept since newer theories speak more of a curvature in space rather than an invisible attraction force. It is time to get anal here! First of in order to even try to make a law of a phenonomen you have to be able to repedatly observe the object and thus it becomes a fact (in the scientific sense, in contrary to philosoficly). I can give you that I might have used the term gravity a bit loosely, I should have said "it is a fact that objects accelerates towards the ground when u drop them (on earth)". | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote: I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory. This is pretty ridiculous, I find Evolution to be as fact as anything else.... But it will always be a theory... Gravity and Friction will always be theories too... The problem isn't that it's a theory, the problem is that people don't know what a tried and tested scientific theory really is. This isn't to say that our theories are perfected, and they will certainly change as information is discovered and understood. This does not mean that I don't believe in gravity. This works the same way for evolution. Anyway, I hope I can see the movie somehow online even if some it doesn't find distribution in the US EDIT: On September 14 2009 07:05 JacobDaKung wrote: Something being a fact just means that it is observeble, noting more nothing less. Gravity is a fact, or dont you observe it every day? short note book for what scientist mean: fact - observeble theory - compilation of facts, predictions and explainations to facts (supported by evidence, ofc) lol... Gravity has been observed? Really you discovered the theorized Graviton? That's a pretty amazing discovery... Gravity has not been directly observed... The effects of gravity have been observed. Last I checked the Graviton had not been observed... | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On September 14 2009 06:13 B00ts wrote: Look, I understand why people have views like this...I do. But to be frank, saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe that the sun is the center of our solar system... I don't mean to be insulting, in fact I think its just a lack of knowlege that causes this (im not saying ur un-educated). No one is required to learn the theory of evolution, and if you are a believer in creation, why would you ever bother? Another point I'd like to make... Is to attempt to strike down the idea that you you cannot have both evolution AND creation. Just because evolution exists, does not destroy creation theory. So God created all things... Why can't he have given them all the ability to evolve? The only reason that isn't in the bible (new or old testament) is because the science didn't exist yet... I can't say much about the old testament... but please remember that the new testament was not given to us in a beam of holy light from God, but that it was compiled and written by of large group of old men in Rome. There were some scripts and scrolls it is based off of, including peices of the gospels (not even writting by them themselves), but it was, in fact, edited, 'censored' so to speak, by this group (i forget what they were called at the time). Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing early Catholisism (and hence all Christianity), I'm merely stating facts. Just because the new testament isn't 1st hand from Jesus or God, does not mean they do not exist. the reason evolution isnt in the bible is because the Bible isnt "the perfect word of god" or whatever the hell the evangelicals want to call it. Its just a book of stories.....and quite foolish stories. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On September 14 2009 08:24 Sadist wrote: the reason evolution isnt in the bible is because the Bible isnt "the perfect word of god" or whatever the hell the evangelicals want to call it. Its just a book of stories.....and quite foolish stories. Well, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is a lot of good in the bible, and while it has been used for bad things, it has also been an excellent guide for generations of people. It is foolish to believe anything blindly and absolutely, but it doesn't make it foolish. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On September 14 2009 04:58 Klive5ive wrote: Paul Bettany was on the Andrew Marr show this morning and said himself that this is nothing to do with Evolution not being liked; it's just that Americans aren't keen on this genre of movie and that's what is stalling the film being played. Still, if a film is doing that well/generating that much hype I'd expect it'd at least get picked up for limited release. I mean, a shitload of films within this genre (that seemed a lot less interesting) have been picked up over the years and have done well. I can see why this would be a factor, but I doubt it's the whole reason. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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