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Darwin: Too Controversial for America?

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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
September 13 2009 17:25 GMT
#1
One of my friends linked me to this article here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6173399/Charles-Darwin-film-too-controversial-for-religious-America.html
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Creation, starring Paul Bettany, details Darwin's "struggle between faith and reason" as he wrote On The Origin of Species. It depicts him as a man who loses faith in God following the death of his beloved 10-year-old daughter, Annie.

The film was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has its British premiere on Sunday. It has been sold in almost every territory around the world, from Australia to Scandinavia.

However, US distributors have resolutely passed on a film which will prove hugely divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll conducted in February, only 39 per cent of Americans believe in the theory of evolution.

Movieguide.org, an influential site which reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" directly influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.

The film has sparked fierce debate on US Christian websites, with a typical comment dismissing evolution as "a silly theory with a serious lack of evidence to support it despite over a century of trying".

Jeremy Thomas, the Oscar-winning producer of Creation, said he was astonished that such attitudes exist 150 years after On The Origin of Species was published.

"That's what we're up against. In 2009. It's amazing," he said.

"The film has no distributor in America. It has got a deal everywhere else in the world but in the US, and it's because of what the film is about. People have been saying this is the best film they've seen all year, yet nobody in the US has picked it up.

"It is unbelievable to us that this is still a really hot potato in America. There's still a great belief that He made the world in six days. It's quite difficult for we in the UK to imagine religion in America. We live in a country which is no longer so religious. But in the US, outside of New York and LA, religion rules.

"Charles Darwin is, I suppose, the hero of the film. But we tried to make the film in a very even-handed way. Darwin wasn't saying 'kill all religion', he never said such a thing, but he is a totem for people."

Creation was developed by BBC Films and the UK Film Council, and stars Bettany's real-life wife Jennifer Connelly as Darwin's deeply religious wife, Emma. It is based on the book, Annie's Box, by Darwin's great-great-grandson, Randal Keynes, and portrays the naturalist as a family man tormented by the death in 1851 of Annie, his favourite child. She is played in the film by 10-year-old newcomer Martha West, the daughter of The Wire star Dominic West.

Early reviews have raved about the film. The Hollywood Reporter said: "It would be a great shame if those with religious convictions spurned the film out of hand as they will find it even-handed and wise."

Mr Thomas, whose previous films include The Last Emperor and Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence, said he hoped the reviews would help to secure a distributor. In the UK, special screenings have been set up for Christian groups.

TL;DR A movie based on the life of Charles Darwin has apparently been getting a lot of good reviews, has been picked up by distributors world wide, and was selected to open the Toronto Film Festival. However it hasn't managed to find a single company in America willing to distribute it because they're all claiming (according to the producer at least) that it'd be too controversial due to the fact that a large enough number of people here refuse to believe in evolution.

I want to believe that there's probably some other reason for this movie not getting picked up despite how well it's doing, but the poll they posted claiming that only 39% of people believe in the theory of evolution in this country shocked me a bit since I only know a handful of people that don't completely agree with it. Although I do live in a fairly liberal area.

Even if all that is true, it still puzzles me why it's not finding distribution because there have been plenty of other "blasphemous" films that have found wide release here.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 13 2009 17:29 GMT
#2
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous.

Americans may denounce the film, but we should at least be able to see it.
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tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
September 13 2009 17:29 GMT
#3
I hate the American religious right wing.
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
September 13 2009 17:29 GMT
#4
I doubt that's entirely true. Probably just trying to create some drama for marketing purposes.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
September 13 2009 17:35 GMT
#5
On September 14 2009 02:29 tirentu wrote:
I hate the American religious right wing.


its a shame they make up like 40% of the population and nothing good comes from them >_<

well except for acting and sports. But science and technology? Forget about it.
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Dametri
Profile Joined September 2005
United States726 Posts
September 13 2009 17:36 GMT
#6
Wat
Inglourious Basterds barely raises eyebrows but a movie about the life of Darwin is getting people in a tiffy? My country mystifies me sometimes.
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
September 13 2009 17:55 GMT
#7
Private business decides not to distribute something big whoop. Not like it is censored, we can still pick it up.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
September 13 2009 18:01 GMT
#8
On September 14 2009 02:29 tirentu wrote:
I hate the American religious right wing.

America does too.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
September 13 2009 18:12 GMT
#9
How is it at 40% that seems way to high, most Christians believe in evolution so it can't be that high of retards.
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
September 13 2009 18:15 GMT
#10
On September 14 2009 02:29 El.Divino wrote:
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous.

Americans may denounce the film, but we should at least be able to see it.



We can see it. It isn't banned. Distributors just don't want to risk spending money on something that they don't think will be profitable.
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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
September 13 2009 18:16 GMT
#11
On September 14 2009 03:12 Slaughter wrote:
How is it at 40% that seems way to high, most Christians believe in evolution so it can't be that high of retards.


Your sources?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43187 Posts
September 13 2009 18:18 GMT
#12
I don't get how evolution doesn't seem self evident. Mutations are evident. Characteristics being passed to descendants are evident. That a good mutation would be passed to more descendants than a bad mutation makes sense. This doesn't have to contradict faith in a God, just that God made all species the way they are today. Unless you take the bible literally I see no problem here.
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Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-13 23:31:01
September 13 2009 18:19 GMT
#13
There are a lot of stupid people in america. almost 90 percent rednecks


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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
September 13 2009 18:19 GMT
#14
I would say most young christians believe in evolution, but there are probably a lot of middle aged and old people that are brainwashed and never were educated about it.
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Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
September 13 2009 18:19 GMT
#15
Darwin was given more credit for evolution than he deserved.

religion is just lies about what science cant prove, and sometimes doesnt even change its views when science proves its lies.. religion is just plain filled with loopholes, sorry if i've offended anyone.
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uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
September 13 2009 18:25 GMT
#16
I don't see how you can "believe" in evolution. It's a fact... I don't "believe" that earth isn't flat, I know it.
Kaialynn
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States242 Posts
September 13 2009 18:28 GMT
#17
On September 14 2009 03:25 uNiGNoRe wrote:
I don't see how you can "believe" in evolution. It's a fact... I don't "believe" that earth isn't flat, I know it.


Because Evolution is a theory. Theory in scientific terms implies a hypothesis. Hypotheses can ONLY be proved wrong, they can NEVER be proven right, according to the science world.

That's why.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 13 2009 18:29 GMT
#18
im ashamed that my political beliefs coincide with some of these people
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 13 2009 18:34 GMT
#19
On September 14 2009 03:28 Kaialynn wrote:
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On September 14 2009 03:25 uNiGNoRe wrote:
I don't see how you can "believe" in evolution. It's a fact... I don't "believe" that earth isn't flat, I know it.


Because Evolution is a theory. Theory in scientific terms implies a hypothesis. Hypotheses can ONLY be proved wrong, they can NEVER be proven right, according to the science world.

That's why.


exactly. But at this point not believing in evolution (believing the theory is wrong) is like not believing in gravity. There is so much evidence for it out there, that to not believe it requires serioud hardheadedness or ignorance.

Technically not many people 'know' the earth is not flat, but if you were to proclaim there wasnt enough evidence to prove the earth isnt flat you would (rightly) be laughed at.
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Weaponx3
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada232 Posts
September 13 2009 18:34 GMT
#20
some people dont agree with the scientific premise of evolution, it is very flawed. evolution is construied story we all accept, even though it uses alot of double speak. just beacuse something grows doesnt mean that it is evolving. and the mutation thing if you can point to one beneficial human mutation please do because every mutation isnt beneficial at all yet in fact it is quite the opposite.. but im not here to argue. i disagree on scientific basis and i think many others do as well. i just wanted to point that..
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