hating knowledge, fearing truth, burning books. america is looking more and more like nazi germany every day.
you ever notice how in every movie and tv show anyone with knowledge or who even likes science is portrayed as a loser? modern USA is the most anti-intellectual culture in history. just a nation full of obese fat pigs who give their money to a church and let priests rape their kids. watch an average of 8 hours of tv and never read except for school. and the educational system is so bad people lack basic scientific literacy.
to not understand that environments select for certain traits, i.e. birds that fly better or have sharper talons will do better at getting food than slower or weaker birds, just blows my mind. these are the same people who believe noah's ark actually happened.
On September 14 2009 16:44 1tym wrote: Evolution theory and Christianity cannot co-exist period.
I don't see why not. Logically Christianity can't exist by itself, because it's nonsense... yet it does. If someone can justify Christianity they can justify evolution+Christianity. That seems to me like it would be easier because then you don't have to deny the humongous wealth of evidence for evolution.
for those interested in evolution pbs did a great documentary on the dover trial, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html it goes into good enough detail on evolution and its an interesting story about a small town caught up in the evolution v intelligent design debate. i'd highly recommend watching it if you have time and are interested in this kind of thing. scary preview
You guys do know that a theory means an idea that has been widely tested and proven true. Not some random idea that isn't 100% proven yet, and also, evolution does happen fast. Humans take 20 years for 1 generation but other organisms take a weeks, some take even a few hours.
On September 15 2009 07:27 XoXiDe wrote: for those interested in evolution pbs did a great documentary on the dover trial, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html it goes into good enough detail on evolution and its an interesting story about a small town caught up in the evolution v intelligent design debate. i'd highly recommend watching it if you have time and are interested in this kind of thing. scary preview + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_sw60C66jY
I watched that at school in my Court Procedures class. It was interesting, both the amount of ignorance that shrouding all the townspeople who hated evolution and the effort put into "intelligent design" to make it compete with evolution as a viable theory. This is despite how incredibly far off Intelligent Design strays from Christianity or any other religion.
At some point in the movie they found the definition of Intelligent Design in this textbook that was being disputed to be something along the lines of "periodically throughout time new species have appeared. this is because an intelligent designer made them and put them there at these times." A sort of macro-evolution caused by spontaneous acts of god.
Great series BTW. I was wondering how long it would take until someone posted one of AaronRa's or Thunderf00t's videos.
It is sad that this is even an issue but it seems like there are more and more people in this country that can't seem to stand to hear an opposing view point (even though this has nothing to do with a theological debate).
I doubt that it is not playing because it is too controversial. More likely it is not playing because it is boring and they don't think people will pay 10 buck+ a pop to go see it.
I highly doubt it is more controversial than Farenheit 9/11 or An Inconvenient Truth or Brokeback Mountain or even Showgirls.
It just isn't interesting controversy. Its boring controversy. That is my theory.
On September 16 2009 03:11 Savio wrote: I doubt that it is not playing because it is too controversial. More likely it is not playing because it is boring and they don't think people will pay 10 buck+ a pop to go see it.
I highly doubt it is more controversial than Farenheit 9/11 or An Inconvenient Truth or Brokeback Mountain or even Showgirls.
It just isn't interesting controversy. Its boring controversy. That is my theory.
I think its more along the lines of lobbying - disabling the potential failure of policy based on the movie's subject matter. It's blatantly obvious in this case as it (the film) has gained respect from other areas of the world.
topics like this (with no definitive answer) will --> ALWAYS <-- be controversial thus that's why america will always be willing to accept a new scientific explanation but not a religion or belief.
On September 15 2009 05:22 fast ball player wrote: hating knowledge, fearing truth, burning books. america is looking more and more like nazi germany every day.
At first I thought you might be talking about Athiests, You know, the ones who are brainwashed into repeating the same non-arguments and pointless flames.
you ever notice how in every movie and tv show anyone with knowledge or who even likes science is portrayed as a loser? modern USA is the most anti-intellectual culture in history. just a nation full of obese fat pigs who give their money to a church and let priests rape their kids. watch an average of 8 hours of tv and never read except for school. and the educational system is so bad people lack basic scientific literacy.
No, I don't notice that. Actually, I notice the complete opposite of that. Maybe it's because I live in a more liberal country, but most of the media I see (most of which comes from the US anyway) are biased strongly towards the non-theist. (And of course this is how it should be... right?)
On September 15 2009 05:22 fast ball player wrote: hating knowledge, fearing truth, burning books. america is looking more and more like nazi germany every day.
At first I thought you might be talking about Athiests, You know, the ones who are brainwashed into repeating the same non-arguments and pointless flames.
you ever notice how in every movie and tv show anyone with knowledge or who even likes science is portrayed as a loser? modern USA is the most anti-intellectual culture in history. just a nation full of obese fat pigs who give their money to a church and let priests rape their kids. watch an average of 8 hours of tv and never read except for school. and the educational system is so bad people lack basic scientific literacy.
No, I don't notice that. Actually, I notice the complete opposite of that. Maybe it's because I live in a more liberal country, but most of the media I see (most of which comes from the US anyway) are biased strongly towards the non-theist. (And of course this is how it should be... right?)
I have nothing to say about your generalization.
the point to his 'generalization' are parallels in which lie the truth - that there are such correlations whether people like to admit to them or not.
On September 15 2009 05:22 fast ball player wrote: hating knowledge, fearing truth, burning books. america is looking more and more like nazi germany every day.
At first I thought you might be talking about Athiests, You know, the ones who are brainwashed into repeating the same non-arguments and pointless flames.
you ever notice how in every movie and tv show anyone with knowledge or who even likes science is portrayed as a loser? modern USA is the most anti-intellectual culture in history. just a nation full of obese fat pigs who give their money to a church and let priests rape their kids. watch an average of 8 hours of tv and never read except for school. and the educational system is so bad people lack basic scientific literacy.
No, I don't notice that. Actually, I notice the complete opposite of that. Maybe it's because I live in a more liberal country, but most of the media I see (most of which comes from the US anyway) are biased strongly towards the non-theist. (And of course this is how it should be... right?)
I have nothing to say about your generalization.
the point to his 'generalization' are parallels in which lie the truth - that there are such correlations whether people like to admit to them or not.
I agree there is merit to what he said, of course the use of the word 'let' kind of irked me since it implies giving permission or causing something to happen. I think the majority of parents didn't want that to happen to their children.
You don't have to make a generalization to convey truth or make a point.
On September 16 2009 04:00 NastyMarine wrote: sometimes you have to make generalizations so the reader must reflect on the implications. That way the conclusion becomes more meaningful.
Touché. You bring up a good point that didn't come to mind when I wrote my posts.
I haven't read any other posts but the ops, so if this doesn't make too much sense mods feel free to delete it.
As I remember speaking to my boss who is a atheist/realist he explained to me about religion in the US and why it is such a powerfull force. When the first settlers arrived in the US there were no jails no courthouses no-one to supervise them, so the only logical solution on how to maintain power over the people thousands of miles away was the fear of God. So my reasoning for why this movie would be so contraversial would be quite simple. Americans have religion everywhere, over the 2 ages since US became independant, religion prospered, in religion, I mean christianity, when in Europe it started losing its power. Americans where being forced to chew religion and where discriminated or even prosecuted for trying to shit it out. So it stayed there for decades and decades, even tho, so many young americans are more open to the idea that there is no GOD, the older generation makes the shots and soo we have to wait 1 more generation so that such movies would not cause controversy.
P.S. Im not realy good with expressing my thoughts in English, but I hope you can understand what I meant by that.
Great series BTW. I was wondering how long it would take until someone posted one of AaronRa's or Thunderf00t's videos.
It is sad that this is even an issue but it seems like there are more and more people in this country that can't seem to stand to hear an opposing view point (even though this has nothing to do with a theological debate).
On September 16 2009 04:13 T.Sqd)LillTT wrote: Hi,
I haven't read any other posts but the ops, so if this doesn't make too much sense mods feel free to delete it.
As I remember speaking to my boss who is a atheist/realist he explained to me about religion in the US and why it is such a powerfull force. When the first settlers arrived in the US there were no jails no courthouses no-one to supervise them, so the only logical solution on how to maintain power over the people thousands of miles away was the fear of God. So my reasoning for why this movie would be so contraversial would be quite simple. Americans have religion everywhere, over the 2 ages since US became independant, religion prospered, in religion, I mean christianity, when in Europe it started losing its power. Americans where being forced to chew religion and where discriminated or even prosecuted for trying to shit it out. So it stayed there for decades and decades, even tho, so many young americans are more open to the idea that there is no GOD, the older generation makes the shots and soo we have to wait 1 more generation so that such movies would not cause controversy.
P.S. Im not realy good with expressing my thoughts in English, but I hope you can understand what I meant by that.
Err not really. Its mostly just because the country was founded by people seeking land and freedom to practice whatever religion they want. Nothing was really different between Europe and America when it comes to religion no one was prosecuted for being an atheist. This country just took a lot of pride in having been founded on "religious principles". Its not like there are 0 religious ppl in Europe right now so there really isn't any difference.
On September 16 2009 04:13 T.Sqd)LillTT wrote: Hi,
I haven't read any other posts but the ops, so if this doesn't make too much sense mods feel free to delete it.
As I remember speaking to my boss who is a atheist/realist he explained to me about religion in the US and why it is such a powerfull force. When the first settlers arrived in the US there were no jails no courthouses no-one to supervise them, so the only logical solution on how to maintain power over the people thousands of miles away was the fear of God. So my reasoning for why this movie would be so contraversial would be quite simple. Americans have religion everywhere, over the 2 ages since US became independant, religion prospered, in religion, I mean christianity, when in Europe it started losing its power. Americans where being forced to chew religion and where discriminated or even prosecuted for trying to shit it out. So it stayed there for decades and decades, even tho, so many young americans are more open to the idea that there is no GOD, the older generation makes the shots and soo we have to wait 1 more generation so that such movies would not cause controversy.
P.S. Im not realy good with expressing my thoughts in English, but I hope you can understand what I meant by that.
Err not really. Its mostly just because the country was founded by people seeking land and freedom to practice whatever religion they want. Nothing was really different between Europe and America when it comes to religion no one was prosecuted for being an atheist. This country just took a lot of pride in having been founded on "religious principles". Its not like there are 0 religious ppl in Europe right now so there really isn't any difference.
what religious principles (Flame war initiated)? Salem anyone?
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