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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 16 2009 21:34 GMT
#241
On September 17 2009 05:37 aRod wrote:
I don't think religious people are idiots, I just think the ideological coercion practiced by most religious institutions catches people at an early age. My roomate is very religious and incredibly smart, at least as smart as me.

Free will? Probably doesn't exist. I see my brain as an interconnected web that will invariably and continually process sensory input, integrate it with past wiring, possibly form new neural connections if the proper molecular stimulation/neurotransmiter levels and spacial potential are present, iall while initiating bodily responses etc... etc... repeat. Neurologist can't point to any location where "free will" comes from nor do we understand the complex interaction between the frontal lobe and the emotion centers. It's arrogant to speculate free will exists as more than an Idea. Personally human behavior is far too predictable and patterned for me to believe in the existance.

Time? Most likely? I mean shit we are living it, I can see a clock. I would accept anything as likely true if the evidence suggests it.


Time is indeed very intriguing, it is probably the less understood phenomenom by mankind. I also do not think free will exists and therefore cannot blame people for not believing in things that for me seem obvious. It is just a consequence of many previous occurances.
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
September 16 2009 22:03 GMT
#242
On September 17 2009 06:16 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 05:18 Krikkitone wrote:
On September 17 2009 04:50 Mindcrime wrote:
On September 17 2009 03:05 Krikkitone wrote:
On September 16 2009 15:09 Velr wrote:
I would say... Hunger, poverty was way more important than being able to live christianity... If you wanted just the last thing there would have been no reason to leave most european countrys.


Not in the 16-1700s

Most of the initial American colonies were founded by people who couldn't worship/believe the way they wanted to in England. (or in other American colonies)


"Most" is an incredible overstatement.



Well if you don't count the colonies gained by conquest (ie colonized by other european nations and then taken by the British), then it is a sizable majority.
Massachusets, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. (most of the rest of the north was colonized by the Dutch and then taken)... the south was more of the purely economic colonies.

And the point is that for most of the first 100 years of its existence, America was among a very small group of European populated nations that did not have a state church. And that those colonies that did have a state church before the country was formed often had one that was not the state church of other european powers.


Where they then proceeded to persecute native Americans and non-Christians ruthlessly. Irony Overwhelming!


Well most of them weren't formed (except R.I.) for the purpose of 'religious freedom' in an abstract concept, and so most agreed with the state-church link, they just wanted thier church to be the one linked to the state. And it was as they got less religious that they began to move from religion motivating missionizing and helping the Indians to justifying land grabs with religion (once religion moved from the prime motivating factor to a justifying motivating factor... which is the problem with religion)
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 17 2009 21:17 GMT
#243
On September 17 2009 06:34 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 05:37 aRod wrote:
I don't think religious people are idiots, I just think the ideological coercion practiced by most religious institutions catches people at an early age. My roomate is very religious and incredibly smart, at least as smart as me.

Free will? Probably doesn't exist. I see my brain as an interconnected web that will invariably and continually process sensory input, integrate it with past wiring, possibly form new neural connections if the proper molecular stimulation/neurotransmiter levels and spacial potential are present, iall while initiating bodily responses etc... etc... repeat. Neurologist can't point to any location where "free will" comes from nor do we understand the complex interaction between the frontal lobe and the emotion centers. It's arrogant to speculate free will exists as more than an Idea. Personally human behavior is far too predictable and patterned for me to believe in the existance.

Time? Most likely? I mean shit we are living it, I can see a clock. I would accept anything as likely true if the evidence suggests it.


Time is indeed very intriguing, it is probably the less understood phenomenom by mankind. I also do not think free will exists and therefore cannot blame people for not believing in things that for me seem obvious. It is just a consequence of many previous occurances.


To clarify, just because free will may not exist as anything but a complicated series of input->process->output doesn't mean that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. The reason people are punished is because their actions harm others.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 17 2009 21:17 GMT
#244
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32886436#32886436|336988

Good interview about fundamental Christians and the problem they represent
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
September 17 2009 21:40 GMT
#245
I thought this might be interesting to some of you, basically for the last 200,000 years these animals have been isolated in the crater of a volcano and have evolved and developed into new species:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=102125
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7233 Posts
September 17 2009 21:56 GMT
#246
On September 18 2009 06:17 Zzoram wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32886436#32886436|336988

Good interview about fundamental Christians and the problem they represent



ROFL

i 100% agree with that guy though.

While I disagree with fiscal conservatives....what really makes me hate the republican party is how they pander to the social conservatives and nutbags out there. Oh no government dont regulate me......yet they cry for the government to intervene in gay marriage and stem cell research.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
September 17 2009 22:10 GMT
#247
know what pisses me off?
EVOLUTION IS NOT THE SAME AS ABIOGENESIS

you wont believe how many right wing conservative christians denounce evolution because their "god" created all life. Scientists have another theory for that (i.e abiogenesis) Evolution is the theory that all forms of life on earth have a common ancestor.
cw)minsean(ru
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