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On September 14 2009 03:28 Kaialynn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:25 uNiGNoRe wrote:
I don't see how you can "believe" in evolution. It's a fact... I don't "believe" that earth isn't flat, I know it. Because Evolution is a theory. Theory in scientific terms implies a hypothesis. Hypotheses can ONLY be proved wrong, they can NEVER be proven right, according to the science world. That's why.
Yeah, apart from the fact it can be proved in numerous different ways...
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I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
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Its fine. It took christians a few hundred years to accept that the earth wasn't flat, it'll take a few hundred more for evolution.
On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
You're right, it is no longer a theory in the "opinion" sense anymore - Evolution is considered a "scientific theory," meaning a logic that (comprises of and) explains hundreds of observations and facts. When creationists try to say "Evolution is just a theory, not a fact" it's like looking at a book and saying "this is a book, not a page."
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On September 14 2009 03:34 Weaponx3 wrote:
some people dont agree with the scientific premise of evolution, it is very flawed. evolution is construied story we all accept, even though it uses alot of double speak. just beacuse something grows doesnt mean that it is evolving. and the mutation thing if you can point to one beneficial human mutation please do because every mutation isnt beneficial at all yet in fact it is quite the opposite.. but im not here to argue. i disagree on scientific basis and i think many others do as well. i just wanted to point that..
okay let me take apart this failboat one by one
a) Scientific premise of evolution: so you don't agree with fossils and evidence. Awesome, I love the jury system.
b) Yes, this is true. Growing is something an organism does. Evolving is something a species does. Organism =/= species.
c) Beneficial human mutations include stronger muscles,. larger brains, stronger immune systems, etc. Not all mutations are extra fingers. And again, mutations occur in a specific organism, not a speciies, which is what evolution is all about.
More importantly, mutations may be more beneficial under different conditions. That sixth finger may come in handy when we encounter aliens that use weaponry that requires six fingers.
d) Your grammar apparently betrays the fact that obvious troll is obvious.
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On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
What if God is just creating different bacteria and we're watching it happen?
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On September 14 2009 03:19 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
There are a lot of stupid people in america. almost 90 percent rednecks
No. I don't even think you're using "redneck" right.
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On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
evolution is a scientific theory...
the scientific definition of a theory vs. the layman's definition of a theory has led to a lot of confusion.
More importantly, evolution is a blanket name for several concepts. Just because genetic drift has been demonstrated does not necessarily mean that other portions of evolution are true, or that genetic drift is true for non-bacterial populations, etc. Hence, it is a theory. Just like most other scientific discoveries are still categorized as theory.
A theory, in the scientific sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of empirical observations. A scientific theory does two things:
1. it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and
2. makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class.
In the scientific or empirical tradition, the term "theory" is reserved for ideas which meet baseline requirements about the kinds of empirical observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of the class to which it pertains. These requirements vary across different scientific fields of knowledge, but in general theories are expected to be functional and parsimonious: i.e. a theory should be the simplest possible tool that can be used to effectively address the given class of phenomena.
QED
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On September 14 2009 03:39 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
What if God is just creating different bacteria and we're watching it happen?
Then God is making bacteria evolve.
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On September 14 2009 03:34 Weaponx3 wrote:
some people dont agree with the scientific premise of evolution, it is very flawed. evolution is construied story we all accept, even though it uses alot of double speak. just beacuse something grows doesnt mean that it is evolving. and the mutation thing if you can point to one beneficial human mutation please do because every mutation isnt beneficial at all yet in fact it is quite the opposite.. but im not here to argue. i disagree on scientific basis and i think many others do as well. i just wanted to point that..
You wanted some examples of beneficial mutations occuring in the human population. HLA antigenic variation, CCR5 mutations providing AIDs resistance, fast twist musculature, and different Hg moeities seen in swimmers are some examples
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On September 14 2009 03:28 Kaialynn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:25 uNiGNoRe wrote:
I don't see how you can "believe" in evolution. It's a fact... I don't "believe" that earth isn't flat, I know it. Because Evolution is a theory. Theory in scientific terms implies a hypothesis. Hypotheses can ONLY be proved wrong, they can NEVER be proven right, according to the science world. That's why.
lolwut
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On September 14 2009 03:34 Weaponx3 wrote:
some people dont agree with the scientific premise of evolution, it is very flawed. evolution is construied story we all accept, even though it uses alot of double speak. just beacuse something grows doesnt mean that it is evolving. and the mutation thing if you can point to one beneficial human mutation please do because every mutation isnt beneficial at all yet in fact it is quite the opposite.. but im not here to argue. i disagree on scientific basis and i think many others do as well. i just wanted to point that..
Michael Phelps
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On September 14 2009 03:43 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:39 Failsafe wrote:On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
What if God is just creating different bacteria and we're watching it happen? Then God is making bacteria evolve.
What if God didn't participate in evolution until Darwin came up with it? (e.g. evolution is a game mode that has to be discovered.)
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On September 14 2009 03:49 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:43 synapse wrote:On September 14 2009 03:39 Failsafe wrote:On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
What if God is just creating different bacteria and we're watching it happen? Then God is making bacteria evolve. What if God didn't participate in evolution until Darwin came up with it? (e.g. evolution is a game mode that has to be discovered.)
What if your house gets hit by a comet?
Is this going somewhere?
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Bosnia-Herzegovina57 Posts
On September 14 2009 02:29 tirentu wrote:
I hate the American religious right wing.
Agreed
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On September 14 2009 03:49 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 03:43 synapse wrote:On September 14 2009 03:39 Failsafe wrote:On September 14 2009 03:35 aRod wrote:
I always laugh at people who label evolution a theory. Evolution has been objectively observed and verified to occur in bacterial species (genetic drift occuring in bacterial populations). Evolution no longer fits the definition of a theory.
What if God is just creating different bacteria and we're watching it happen? Then God is making bacteria evolve. What if God didn't participate in evolution until Darwin came up with it? (e.g. evolution is a game mode that has to be discovered.)
Okay, something inherently wrong with all these what ifs.
We don't need to care about them until you show us evidence that it is what is happening.
AKA Burden of Proof, it's on you. Prove that:
God exists
Evolution didn't happen before the 1800s, Ex there were no examples of it and our current fossils and examples are invalid.
Evolution only started happening after Darwin.
Can you do that? Otherwise, gtfo.
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On September 14 2009 03:34 Weaponx3 wrote:
some people dont agree with the scientific premise of evolution, it is very flawed. evolution is construied story we all accept, even though it uses alot of double speak. just beacuse something grows doesnt mean that it is evolving. and the mutation thing if you can point to one beneficial human mutation please do because every mutation isnt beneficial at all yet in fact it is quite the opposite.. but im not here to argue. i disagree on scientific basis and i think many others do as well. i just wanted to point that..
1) evolution takes too long time for us to notice it.
2) evolution doesn't really work any longer on us humans because we have beaten nature: everyone are fit to have reproduce and survive. No holes in the theory, it's as basic and evident as gravity..
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USAIN BOLT.... The theory of Evolution is hence proven.
What do I win?
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On September 14 2009 03:34 Weaponx3 wrote:
some people dont agree with the scientific premise of evolution, it is very flawed. evolution is construied story we all accept, even though it uses alot of double speak. just beacuse something grows doesnt mean that it is evolving. and the mutation thing if you can point to one beneficial human mutation please do because every mutation isnt beneficial at all yet in fact it is quite the opposite.. but im not here to argue. i disagree on scientific basis and i think many others do as well. i just wanted to point that..
1 mo time... USAIN BOLT.
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United States889 Posts
It's more like they don't want to distribute it because the vocal minority of people who disbelieve evolution will protest it and get the movie a lot of negative press. It may still make money, but distributors are very frightened of negative press because there's a lot of money on the line, and while they're very willing to gamble on partial nudity of B-list actors, academic, and especially controversial academic, movies don't always get very good press.
It's business, not politics.
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Maybe I should have clarified my points here.
1) I believe in the theory of evolution.
2) A scientific theory can never explore all hypotheses. Yes, there is a TON of evidence that supports Evolution, but either way, at the end of the day, you can never explore *every* possibillity and theory, that is why scientific theories can never be proven. Is obvious evolution exists? Yes. Is it obvious that it's happening the way we think it is? Maybe. But no matter how much evidence we gather, there will still be other posibillities that exist within a theory.
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