It is from August 15-23. I just heard about it when reading the news. Usain Bolt broke 100m record again with a blazing 9.58s beating out Gay and Powell. There were also finals for the 20k walk and shot put for mens. The event finals that finished for women are the 10k, 20k walk, heptathon, and shot put. For the total gold medals by country, Russia is in the lead with 2 gold medals. :D
I'm just wondering if there are any track and field fans that knows the streams to this. Im trying to search around and didnt find any yet.
youtube video of 100m finals
If you are in the usa, Universal Sports is covering this!
Great entertainment, but this is not sports anymore. If u belive that someone can run faster then fully doped Ben Johnsson, with just practice then... T_____T.
On August 18 2009 18:18 kroko wrote: Great entertainment, but this is not sports anymore. If u belive that someone can run faster then fully doped Ben Johnsson, with just practice then... T_____T.
The shoes has got so much better in 20years. That must be it.
Maybe he is just genetically superior to all other runners. Maybe he is on stim packs, I don't know but this is something that needs to be investigated further. Bolt ran - within one year - 0,16 seconds faster than his first WR.
TIME NAME YEAR LOCATION 10,60 Donald Lippincott/USA 1912 Stockholm 10,20 Jesse Owens/USA 1936 Chicago 10,00 Armin Hary/Germany 1960 Zürich 9,95 James Hines/USA 1968 Sacramento 9,92 Carl Lewis/USA 1988 Seoul 9,86 Carl Lewis/USA 1991 Tokio 9,84 Donovan Bailey/Canada 1996 Atlanta 9,79 Maurice Greene/USA 1999 Athen 9,77 Asafa Powell/Jamaica 2005 Athen 9,74 Asafa Powell/Jamaica 2007 Rieti 9,72 Usain Bolt/Jamaica 2008 New York 9,69 Usain Bolt/Jamaica 2008 Peking 9,58 Usain Bolt/Jamaica 2009 Berlin
Interesting that Jamaicans are dominating the short distances so much. Jamaica has like 2,8million inhabitants, thats like half the populationsize of denmark.
Am I the only one that noticed that gay ran as fast as bold the last 40 meters or so. Seems his top speed is the same, he lost it during the first part of the run. Pretty amazing. Makes me wonder if gay could develop a better start and then maybe actually have a chance vs bolt.
I think bolt is legit. he's just a freak of nature, but he was destroying records since he was 15 anyway - whereas most doping cases have people suddenly improving a lot. (and if you compare this world record to the one he set in beijing, remember that record wouldve been 0.15 better or so if he didnt slow down towards the end. )
Jamaican antidoping system sucks, theres like non. Bad testing during training season etc. If u think legit guy can win then ur naive. Marion Jones caught doping, and after that tried come back as a legit runner, 0,5sec worse results... She was never caught by any tests, alltho she was tested over 200 times.
I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T.
On August 18 2009 20:20 Eatme wrote: Interesting that Jamaicans are dominating the short distances so much. Jamaica has like 2,8million inhabitants, thats like half the populationsize of denmark.
I think Bolt even says somewhere that a lot of the countries that have great athletes benefitted from having just the best slaves come over from Africa back in the day (biggest/strongest slaves = most type II fibers = better sprinting/power athletics).
Anyway, Bolt's a BEAST. I hope he breaks the 200m WR, and I'm looking forward to see what he can do in the 400m. As far as I know no one has ever held all 4 records at once especially since 400m is drastically different then 100/200m. Michael Johnson was a freak to win 200/400 at the same time, but even he wasn't "elite" with 100m.
I really hope he's clean though. He's just what Track and Field athletics needs right now to revitalize their program
On August 18 2009 23:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: actually I have the impression most pundits think bolt is clean and that he just is truly exceptional..
Well I have never seen any track pundit say that the sport have a doping problem while they say it in cross country skiing and cycling and those sports are waaaay cleaner than track and field. During the 07 tour there were more track atheletes caught for doping than cyclist, even tho they did not have any big competitions at the same time.
On August 18 2009 20:20 Eatme wrote: Interesting that Jamaicans are dominating the short distances so much. Jamaica has like 2,8million inhabitants, thats like half the populationsize of denmark.
I think Bolt even says somewhere that a lot of the countries that have great athletes benefitted from having just the best slaves come over from Africa back in the day (biggest/strongest slaves = most type II fibers = better sprinting/power athletics).
Anyway, Bolt's a BEAST. I hope he breaks the 200m WR, and I'm looking forward to see what he can do in the 400m. As far as I know no one has ever held all 4 records at once especially since 400m is drastically different then 100/200m. Michael Johnson was a freak to win 200/400 at the same time, but even he wasn't "elite" with 100m.
I really hope he's clean though. He's just what Track and Field athletics needs right now to revitalize their program
Also heard suggestions that the "best" slaves vere allowed to breed further improving this theory.
EDIT:Apparently bolts "trainng buddy" Daniel Bailey has been cought for some unknown substance. Before the world championship Yohan Blake got cought, both of these guys have the same coach as Bolt. Trying to find an english source.
On August 19 2009 07:54 Toolshed wrote: Thats less than 1 second per 10m! wth ... impressiv
Or more 10meters / s.
And most 100meter dash is well below 10seconds nowadays anyway
That's average speed. Since they start from a dead stop they actually hit speeds of like 12.5 m/s or around there. His lowest 10m split is like .81s or something like that.. pretty absurd. (Gay's best split was .83 or something close to there)
Well you´d think few hundred years(probably much more) of slavery and powerty leaves you with only the strongest.
GJ nonetheless, now we know who turn to if we ever need to get someone somewhere as fast as possible without using technology, horses etc But hey there´s even more fucked up things people get paid for.
On August 21 2009 03:56 Mah Buckit! wrote: Well you´d think few hundred years(probably much more) of slavery and powerty leaves you with only the strongest.
GJ nonetheless, now we know who turn to if we ever need to get someone somewhere as fast as possible without using technology, horses etc But hey there´s even more fucked up things people get paid for.
Bolt improved both the 100 and the 200m WR with 0.11s. That's a huge improvement. This is the 5th consecutive time he has improved the WR (100/200/4x100) in a big tournament (OG/WC).
On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote: I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T.
Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about.
Usually people run the 200m slightly faster (averaging the whole run) than the 100m because you sustain top speed for a longer period of time. The 400m though, is a lot different from the 100m and 200m meaning that Bolt would have to put a lot of work in before he could try to challenge that record.
On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote: I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T.
Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about.
Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m...
Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ?
On August 21 2009 13:32 Fishball wrote: Quoting from a post in youtube, "Lets do the math. 100m = 9.58 seconds 200m = 19.19 seconds --> each 100m = 9.595 seconds
That's ridiculous. He virtually ran the 200metres at 100m world record pace."
That's a pretty dumb thing to say.Obviously it's easier to run the second half of the 200m because you're ALREADY RUNNING.
That's why the 800m relay times are much faster. The jamaican WR is 37.10. Divide that by 4 and the average time they ran was 9.275 seconds; much faster than the WR 100m.
On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote: I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T.
Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about.
Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m...
Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ?
Maybe it should but the guy has been beating record since he's 15. I may be naive but I don't think 15 years old running athletes are doping lol. He is and always was a freak of nature IMO. He doesn't even take supplements or vitamines wich are completely legal and help increase your performance. His progression troughout the years is pretty much linear contrary to the typical doped athlete where we can see a sudden increase in performance.
I think there's 2 possibility: 1) He use drugs since age 15 and it is the best drug in the world that somehow is only known by Jamaicans and is undetectable. 2) He's clean.
On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote: I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T.
Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about.
Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m...
Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ?
Maybe it should but the guy has been beating record since he's 15. I may be naive but I don't think 15 years old running athletes are doping lol. He is and always was a freak of nature IMO. He doesn't even take supplements or vitamines wich are completely legal and help increase your performance. His progression troughout the years is pretty much linear contrary to the typical doped athlete where we can see a sudden increase in performance.
I think there's 2 possibility: 1) He use drugs since age 15 and it is the best drug in the world that somehow is only known by Jamaicans and is undetectable. 2) He's clean.
In other words hes either doping or hes not. Thanks for clearing that up
no mindspike his post actually states that he is clean ;p
and xela is correct.. the only thing that points towards doping with bolt is that he is performing at a level way better than any other human ever. with actual doping cases, there are normally a lot of clues pointing towards doping..
On August 21 2009 13:32 Fishball wrote: Quoting from a post in youtube, "Lets do the math. 100m = 9.58 seconds 200m = 19.19 seconds --> each 100m = 9.595 seconds
That's ridiculous. He virtually ran the 200metres at 100m world record pace."
This could be it. First man to claim all 100m/200m/400m world records.
edit: wait, he isn't even competing in the 400m
Yeah... rolling start on the second 100m... as previous mentioned.
The start + reaction time over 100m takes approximately .8-1.1s away from 100m time. That's why Bolt at full speed is able to run 8.7s 100m WR over 100m distance irregardless of start (was in the 150m race he did).
But Bolt HAS expressed the desire to compete 400m. He will, however, have to work significantly on speed endurance which may negatively affect his 100m times. On the other hand, 200m times are a GOOD indicator of 400m time. The predictors are something along the lines of:
400m time = (200m time * 2) + 3.5s
So assuming he works on his speed endurance he can theoretically get about: 19.19 * 2 + 3.5 = 39.39 + 3.5 = 42.89s which would SMASH the WR.
That said, he is barely 22 or 23 or something like that so he has A LOT more potential. I'm pretty sure given the right conditions he can take the 200m WR under 19s, and the 100m WR under 9.5s. If he can develop 400m speed endurance then he should be able to take 400m to 42 or high 41s. That would be SICK.
On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote: didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
Imagine summer olympics in maybe 6 years: Bolt takes 100m,200m,4x100m relay and 400m that would be SICK.
Do you seriously believe that he will be as fast in 6 years?
I gotta agree with Bolt's results being suspicious. Doping is rampant in athletics unfortunately, and it's extremely uncommon to see anyone this dominant. Phelps is also a genetic freak
On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote: I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T.
Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about.
Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m...
Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ?
Maybe it should but the guy has been beating record since he's 15. I may be naive but I don't think 15 years old running athletes are doping lol. He is and always was a freak of nature IMO. He doesn't even take supplements or vitamines wich are completely legal and help increase your performance. His progression troughout the years is pretty much linear contrary to the typical doped athlete where we can see a sudden increase in performance.
I think there's 2 possibility: 1) He use drugs since age 15 and it is the best drug in the world that somehow is only known by Jamaicans and is undetectable. 2) He's clean.
As for #1 HGH is undetectable, but everyone including the Jamaicans know this.
EDIT:On the other hand, you can use prettymuch anything on Jamaica since they dont test you there. Apparenly it's kinda tricky still since all of his trainingbuddies got caught.
On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote: didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
He was always a natural for the 200m because his slow start(being 6'4) doesn't affect his final result a much as in the 100m
Imagine summer olympics in maybe 6 years: Bolt takes 100m,200m,4x100m relay and 400m that would be SICK.
You can't do 100, 200, AND 400m in the same Olympics because of scheduling....
Track you can't do the same volume that Michael Phelps does b/c they have quarters/semis and semis/finals in the same day sometimes. Which means Bolt could end up running 3-4 races in a day if he were to try to all 3 races.
Generally, you can only pick 2... 100/200 or 200/400 + relay (countries can use lots people for relay esp. Jamaica so he only need to run the final relay).
I think he said somewhere in an article that he was going to aim for 200/400 double in London.
On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote: didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
Yeah, he's an original 200/400m athlete.
He persuaded his coach last year to let him run a 100m a couple times..... and well, the second time he ran he set the WR.... then Beijing the third time he ran.... the rest is history.
EPT
Maybe he is on stim packs, I don't know but this is something that needs to be investigated further. Bolt ran - within one year - 0,16 seconds faster than his first WR.
