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On August 21 2009 08:30 Xela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote:
I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T. Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about.
Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m...
Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ?
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On August 21 2009 13:32 Fishball wrote:
Quoting from a post in youtube,
"Lets do the math.
100m = 9.58 seconds
200m = 19.19 seconds --> each 100m = 9.595 seconds
That's ridiculous. He virtually ran the 200metres at 100m world record pace."
That's a pretty dumb thing to say.Obviously it's easier to run the second half of the 200m because you're ALREADY RUNNING.
That's why the 800m relay times are much faster. The jamaican WR is 37.10.
Divide that by 4 and the average time they ran was 9.275 seconds; much faster than the WR 100m.
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On August 21 2009 16:57 kroko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 08:30 Xela wrote:On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote:
I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T. Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about. Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m... Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ?
Maybe it should but the guy has been beating record since he's 15. I may be naive but I don't think 15 years old running athletes are doping lol. He is and always was a freak of nature IMO. He doesn't even take supplements or vitamines wich are completely legal and help increase your performance. His progression troughout the years is pretty much linear contrary to the typical doped athlete where we can see a sudden increase in performance.
I think there's 2 possibility:
1) He use drugs since age 15 and it is the best drug in the world that somehow is only known by Jamaicans and is undetectable.
2) He's clean.
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On August 22 2009 02:39 Xela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 16:57 kroko wrote:On August 21 2009 08:30 Xela wrote:On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote:
I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T. Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about. Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m... Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ? Maybe it should but the guy has been beating record since he's 15. I may be naive but I don't think 15 years old running athletes are doping lol. He is and always was a freak of nature IMO. He doesn't even take supplements or vitamines wich are completely legal and help increase your performance. His progression troughout the years is pretty much linear contrary to the typical doped athlete where we can see a sudden increase in performance. I think there's 2 possibility: 1) He use drugs since age 15 and it is the best drug in the world that somehow is only known by Jamaicans and is undetectable. 2) He's clean.
In other words hes either doping or hes not.
Thanks for clearing that up 
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Norway28665 Posts
no mindspike his post actually states that he is clean ;p
and xela is correct.. the only thing that points towards doping with bolt is that he is performing at a level way better than any other human ever. with actual doping cases, there are normally a lot of clues pointing towards doping..
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On August 21 2009 13:32 Fishball wrote:Quoting from a post in youtube,
"Lets do the math.
100m = 9.58 seconds
200m = 19.19 seconds --> each 100m = 9.595 seconds
That's ridiculous. He virtually ran the 200metres at 100m world record pace."This could be it. First man to claim all 100m/200m/400m world records. edit: wait, he isn't even competing in the 400m 
Yeah... rolling start on the second 100m... as previous mentioned.
The start + reaction time over 100m takes approximately .8-1.1s away from 100m time. That's why Bolt at full speed is able to run 8.7s 100m WR over 100m distance irregardless of start (was in the 150m race he did).
But Bolt HAS expressed the desire to compete 400m. He will, however, have to work significantly on speed endurance which may negatively affect his 100m times. On the other hand, 200m times are a GOOD indicator of 400m time. The predictors are something along the lines of:
400m time = (200m time * 2) + 3.5s
So assuming he works on his speed endurance he can theoretically get about:
19.19 * 2 + 3.5 = 39.39 + 3.5 = 42.89s which would SMASH the WR.
That said, he is barely 22 or 23 or something like that so he has A LOT more potential. I'm pretty sure given the right conditions he can take the 200m WR under 19s, and the 100m WR under 9.5s. If he can develop 400m speed endurance then he should be able to take 400m to 42 or high 41s. That would be SICK.
We shall see.
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didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
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England2662 Posts
On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote:
didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
What I heard was that he ran 400m to improve his endurance and sprinting for the other events.
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On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote:
didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
He was always a natural for the 200m because his slow start(being 6'4) doesn't affect his final result a much as in the 100m
Imagine summer olympics in maybe 6 years: Bolt takes 100m,200m,4x100m relay and 400m that would be SICK.
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On August 22 2009 12:07 Xela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote:
didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice? Imagine summer olympics in maybe 6 years: Bolt takes 100m,200m,4x100m relay and 400m that would be SICK.
Do you seriously believe that he will be as fast in 6 years?
I gotta agree with Bolt's results being suspicious. Doping is rampant in athletics unfortunately, and it's extremely uncommon to see anyone this dominant. Phelps is also a genetic freak
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
he's only 23. maybe not the 2016 olympics, but he could work on the 400 in time to compete in 2012
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my dog can run faster....
+ Show Spoiler +no for real is this guy human? he is DOMINATING thats awesome!
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On August 22 2009 02:39 Xela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 16:57 kroko wrote:On August 21 2009 08:30 Xela wrote:On August 18 2009 23:21 kroko wrote:
I have been reading lot of stuff about doping and how it affects ur results. Few experts believe its impossible to run under 10secs without doping T_T. Well I remember there was a pretty serious study where they concluded that the human body could not run the 100m faster than 9.48. Under 10 secs without doping is very easy lol I don't what you're talking about. Thats Norweagen study about what would have been Bolts time at Peking if he would have run the whole 100m race instead of rolling the last 30m... Just look at the history of old WR holders, Johnson, Montgomery, Gatlin...And now this guy runs a lot faster then these guys, shouldnt this ring some bells ? Maybe it should but the guy has been beating record since he's 15. I may be naive but I don't think 15 years old running athletes are doping lol. He is and always was a freak of nature IMO. He doesn't even take supplements or vitamines wich are completely legal and help increase your performance. His progression troughout the years is pretty much linear contrary to the typical doped athlete where we can see a sudden increase in performance. I think there's 2 possibility: 1) He use drugs since age 15 and it is the best drug in the world that somehow is only known by Jamaicans and is undetectable. 2) He's clean.
As for #1 HGH is undetectable, but everyone including the Jamaicans know this.
EDIT:On the other hand, you can use prettymuch anything on Jamaica since they dont test you there. Apparenly it's kinda tricky still since all of his trainingbuddies got caught.
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On August 22 2009 12:07 Xela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote:
didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice? He was always a natural for the 200m because his slow start(being 6'4) doesn't affect his final result a much as in the 100m Imagine summer olympics in maybe 6 years: Bolt takes 100m,200m,4x100m relay and 400m that would be SICK.
You can't do 100, 200, AND 400m in the same Olympics because of scheduling....
Track you can't do the same volume that Michael Phelps does b/c they have quarters/semis and semis/finals in the same day sometimes. Which means Bolt could end up running 3-4 races in a day if he were to try to all 3 races.
Generally, you can only pick 2... 100/200 or 200/400 + relay (countries can use lots people for relay esp. Jamaica so he only need to run the final relay).
I think he said somewhere in an article that he was going to aim for 200/400 double in London.
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On August 22 2009 09:35 AoN.DimSum wrote:
didnt bolt used to be a 400m runner but ran the 100m for pratice?
Yeah, he's an original 200/400m athlete.
He persuaded his coach last year to let him run a 100m a couple times..... and well, the second time he ran he set the WR.... then Beijing the third time he ran.... the rest is history.
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bolt ran a 45 second 400m in high school with virtually no 400m training
now that he has 9.58/19.19 speed, I would not be surprised at ALL if he broke the 400m world record (43.18 iirc)
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doping does not explain this case..
bolt is just extraordinary..
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On August 23 2009 18:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
doping does not explain this case..
bolt is just extraordinary..
it's entirely possible it's both.
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He should just go to the courthouse and change his name from Usain Bolt to Lightning Bolt.
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On August 23 2009 19:10 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 18:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
doping does not explain this case..
bolt is just extraordinary.. it's entirely possible it's both.
i think its not only possible but its highly likely..
then again i doubt there are athletes not doping..
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