EPTcool to see besiktas win though, and united was crap.
2009-2010 football (soccer) thread - Page 57
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28675 Posts
cool to see besiktas win though, and united was crap. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28675 Posts
which is better than being bad but still. this game showed that united can't start with 6-7 reserves and play a top notch game, which isn't very surprising anyway. ;p | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
5 goals in last 5 games. 2 Goals today. Sexy stuff | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On November 26 2009 07:05 Liquid`Drone wrote: and I dont see how you can pull the normal "omg referees are always favouring united on old traffort" statement when they are denied a very obvious penalty after 85 minutes.. ;p try to watch more EPL cool to see besiktas win though, and united was crap. so true | ||
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horang3
United States261 Posts
On November 26 2009 07:05 Liquid`Drone wrote: cool to see besiktas win though, and united was crap. False! United are utter crap. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On November 26 2009 07:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: good on his own, bad as a team player ;( which is better than being bad but still. this game showed that united can't start with 6-7 reserves and play a top notch game, which isn't very surprising anyway. ;p lol name me a team that can start with 6-7 reserves and play top notch game (okay maaaaaaaaybe Chelsea is close, but the gap between their first lineup and reserve is still pretty noticeable). Having said that, MU is looking very sloppy this season. They still have a shot at winning the EPL, though Champion League is kinda out of reach. They are very well capable of rolling over noobs in EPL, but whenever facing a team which is of their level (or higher), their game play looks very shaky. Last 2 seasons they were very successful due to the solid wall of Ferdinand and Vidic. However at the moment, Ferdinand keeps making silly mistakes and Vidic is still decent but not as good as he used to be. Rooney and Carrick have been on and off, Berbatov plays very fancy football but miles away from effective. Owen is a joke. Giggs and Scholes are too old for football, they can still be sharp every once in a while I admit, but that's normally against weaker team. The only three players who are performing well in MU at the moment are Van Der Sar (though he's getting old, and him being a keeper doesn't mean much when the defenders fail hard), Evra and Fletcher. I'm such a sad United fan | ||
Waxangel
United States33416 Posts
You start to take it for granted after a while, but all of the Manu rotation midfielders can spring the counter attack with the right pass, and everyone gets into position pretty quick once it's launched. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On November 26 2009 16:47 nayumi wrote: lol name me a team that can start with 6-7 reserves and play top notch game (okay maaaaaaaaybe Chelsea is close, but the gap between their first lineup and reserve is still pretty noticeable). Barca.. especially cause their game doesnt relay on individual actions but they are just possesion and passing all the time.. I mean look at their squad.. I cant almost put up 2 different starting formations and still have top notch team.. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On November 26 2009 22:01 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Barca.. especially cause their game doesnt relay on individual actions but they are just possesion and passing all the time.. I mean look at their squad.. I cant almost put up 2 different starting formations and still have top notch team.. barca is nothing without henry ... BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!!!!!! (especially with his hands) | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Henry is footballs fisheye[pg]. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On November 27 2009 01:23 kroko wrote: GTFO Troll. Henry is footballs fisheye[pg]. what's that supposed to mean? he has low apm, but beats someone occasionally? he set up a poker website?? im missing the link... that wasnt directed at you anyway... | ||
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horang3
United States261 Posts
On November 26 2009 19:36 Waxangel wrote: That said, ManU can always perform to some degree even with its declining players like Giggs and Scholes because most of the guys know the team system and how to perform well in it. As opposed to a team like Real Madrid where there really isn't any team system, or a sad team like Liverpool where the team system is "run around like headless chickens and hope gerrard sends you a ball/hits a lucky 30 yard shot." Liverpool had a very solid system last year, a 4-2-3-1 with Mascherano and Xabi Alonso sitting in front of the back four and breaking up attacks and distributing, respectively. Gerrard in the center breaking from midfield and combining well. Kuyt would add a lot of industry and Benayoun or Babel would add more ball skills and an attacking threat. The width would come from the fullbacks, who were able to attack without leaving the back open because of the two deep lying midfielders. This would make up for the narrow formation. The system worked because Torres is so great to play off of and so great scoring goals. A lot of the reason that it hasn't been working this year is because they sold Alonso and his replacement has been injured and Torres( who is the focal point and goal scorer of the whole system) has been out a bit as well. To say that they don't have a deep enough squad is fair, but to say that they don't have a system is not. Benitez has proven that he has the tactical know how to outthink other managers in one game, that's why Liverpool has done so well in the Champion's league. He has not proven, however, that he can build a squad like SAF does, which ( as much as it pains me to say it), is what makes him such a good manager. | ||
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
Italy deserved it | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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horang3
United States261 Posts
On November 27 2009 04:42 snarl wrote: i don't know why anyone would refer to rafa as tactically good.. like waxangel said "run around like headless chickens and hope gerrard sends you a ball/hits a lucky 30 yard shot." just because the football liverpool play is boring as hell doesn't mean it's tactical I didn't say that Liverpool are a tactical team, I said that Rafa knows his tactics. He knows the right place to play his players and the right formation to do well against other teams in individual games. I wouldn't call the way Gerrard and Torres combine as " boring". Bolton play boring football, Blackburn play boring football, Stoke play boring football, Liverpool are not that kind of team. The only player that runs around like a headless chicken is Kuyt. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 27 2009 04:36 Telemako wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8u89jIDhw Italy deserved it LMAO! | ||
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
On November 27 2009 04:36 Telemako wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8u89jIDhw Italy deserved it Hahahaha, thats fucking awesome | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
What constitutes a master tactician? The ability to make changes to the pattern of a match with influential substitutions is clearly one criterion. And in Rafael Benitez, Liverpool possess the best Anfield has ever seen. Ryan Babel's goalscoring impact against Manchester United last Saturday was the 50th occasion Benitez has brought on a player who has scored. Even given the increased number of substitutions in modern football, that’s a remarkable record. To give that stat even greater resonance, on 12 separate occasions Benitez has made substitutions which have led to two or more goals – many from losing positions. Cynics might suggest that the Reds boss sent out the wrong team in the first place. But I prefer the argument that there aren’t many better coaches in Europe at analysing the flow of a match and making the necessary switches which work. Remember Olympiakos? Steven Gerrard's late piledriver is the obvious memory, but without goals from supersubs Mellor and Pongolle that match-winner might have been meaningless. Then there's Kewell and Alonso scoring against Charlton to salvage a 2-2 draw, Crouch and Warnock against Fulham, Garcia and Cisse saving a draw at Birmingham, then Alonso and Biscan turning a 2-0 deficit at Fulham into a 4-2 win. And none of them were even Benitez's greatest switch. Arguably the Reds' manager’s most valuable intervention was the introduction of a player who didn’t score at all – not until a penalty shoot-out anyway. Vladimir Smicer might have come on and scored in Istanbul, but it was Dietmar Hamann's half-time introduction which swung the match back Liverpool’s way. It's just as easy to make a damaging switch as it is to introduce an effective change – as Sir Alf Ramsey discovered in Mexico, Howard Kendall at Wembley in 1986 and Gerard Houllier in Leverkusen. But Benitez has, so far, managed to avoid that pitfall. Even his controversial withdrawal of Steven Gerrard at Goodison Park for showing "too much passion" paid off. The use of an impact substitute was a tactic whose effectiveness grew only stealthily. It was first allowed in England in 1965, but only for injuries. Tactical switches were later allowed in 1967, increased to two changes 20 years later then, in 1995, increased to the current limit of three. Predictably the influence of Anfield substitutes has grown with the times. Bill Shankly made just 18 scoring switches in nine years, the last – in 1974 – resulting in a last-minute winner from Peter Cormack against Norwich. Bob Paisley doubled that figure in eight years, but then he could call on the greatest Supersub of them all, David Fairclough, who scored 18 goals after stepping off the bench. Joe Fagan did it three times, Dalglish 21, Souness 10 and Roy Evans 12, before the folly of a joint management team was exposed. While Evans and Gerard Houllier argued amongst themselves about which subs to bring on, only Karl-Heinz Rieldle stepped off the bench to score during their joint stewardship. Left to his own devices, Houllier introduced 40 scoring subs in five years, but that figure has already been eclipsed by Benitez in four years. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As Liverpool's supporters savoured the club's arrival alongside the continental élite in the last eight of the Champions' League, the longest-serving player at Anfield hailed the 3-1 win at Bayer Leverkusen as "the perfect European performance" and highlighted the part Rafael Benitez's methods played in achieving the 6-2 aggregate success. As Liverpool's supporters savoured the club's arrival alongside the continental élite in the last eight of the Champions' League, the longest-serving player at Anfield hailed the 3-1 win at Bayer Leverkusen as "the perfect European performance" and highlighted the part Rafael Benitez's methods played in achieving the 6-2 aggregate success. Jamie Carragher is eminently qualified to provide context to Liverpool's progress, having served under Graeme Souness, Roy Evans and Gérard Houllier. The England defender, 27, pointed to Benitez's work on the training ground as the decisive factor in avenging a shattering late defeat in Leverkusen's BayArena in the 2002 quarter-finals. "We work a lot on tactics as a team, on how we're going to play and on our opponents' weaknesses," Carragher said. "We probably do more tactical work now than I've done with any manager at any level in my career. When [Benitez] has time to prepare the side properly, it's reflected in our football. After international matches, when [we] have only the one day to prepare, we haven't done as well. "To get this kind of win, especially given Leverkusen's group results, was special. They beat Real Madrid and Michael Owen told me they were one of the best sides he had played against." Benitez had anticipated intense pressure from Leverkusen and set up Liverpool to play on the break. In the event, the German team piled forward too early, too recklessly and with scant regard to the absence of key defenders. Damningly, they had no apparent strategy for dealing with Steven Gerrard's role in the "hole" behind a lone striker. Too often, they also left Luis Garcia unmarked. The former Barcelona winger, peripheral in some Premiership away games, visibly gained in confidence. His two early goals killed the contest and if Milan Baros, the third scorer, had been less wasteful, Liverpool might have matched Lyon's 10-2 aggregate against another Bundesliga side, Werder Bremen. Carragher hoped the "feelgood factor" would spill over into the coming run of home games. Since the first brings Everton to Anfield a week on Sunday, there is no danger of European competition overshadowing domestic matters. But the quarter-final draw, to be held a week today, will be awaited with growing excitement. "I'm sure we'll be considered outsiders, maybe rightly, because there are a lot of teams left in that win trophies and titles in their own countries," Carragher said. "But the best sides don't always win the Champions' League. Every game will be tight and could go either way. Milan and Chelsea will be looked upon as being among the best teams in Europe. We're probably not up there - but we want to go as far as we can." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The cult of permanent rotation blights Benítez's bid for title Having made changes to Liverpool's starting line-up for 93 matches in a row, Rafael Benítez is hampering the Reds. * Comments (…) * Buzz up! * Digg it The days have gone when Nottingham Forest could use a total of 11 players to win the FA Cup, as they did in a nine-match campaign, including three replays, in 1959. But this week's most staggering statistic, which states that Rafael Benítez has now made changes to Liverpool's starting line-up for 93 matches in a row, suggests a game badly in need of psychiatric help. Yes, Benítez has led Liverpool to the European Cup during his time in England - although it might more accurately be said that his players led Benítez to the trophy. In terms of the Premiership, however, his Anfield Assortment continue to underachieve, despite heavy investment, and it seems at least possible that inconsistency of selection, whether wilful or enforced, might be among the root causes. Plenty of managers will tell you that it is no longer possible to pin up the same team sheet on the dressing-room door week after week. The stresses and strains imposed by the greater physical intensity of the modern game, combined with the number of fixtures faced by the most successful clubs, make the tactical and man-management aspects of player-rotation an intrinsic part of the repertoire of managerial skills. But try telling that to Martin O'Neill. When he arrived at Aston Villa, no one could look at the playing resources and tell you what the club's best side was. Straight away, however, he decided not just on a formation but on his best 11 players. And since his first match in charge, at Arsenal on the opening day of the season, there have been only the most minimal changes to that line-up, with Gareth Barry moving to left-back in order to accommodate the arrival from Celtic of Stilian Petrov in midfield. The result is currently available for inspection in the Premiership table, where Villa lie a convincing fifth - two points ahead of Liverpool, and without a defeat in six matches. And look at Barcelona, the best side in Europe last season. Throughout the campaign that ended with victory over Arsenal in the Champions League there was virtually no doubt about the names Frank Rijkaard would be scribbling down. Even now, when managers need top-quality cover for every position, there is nothing better than a goalkeeper and a back four who play their way through an entire season - or even for what seemed like season after season, as Peter Schmeichel, Paul Parker, Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister and Denis Irwin used to do for Manchester United - behind a midfield and an attack that are enjoying the benefits of a similar consistency. If you doubt that proposition, take a look at West Ham United. As recently as last May this was a team that, under Alan Pardew, seemed to have found its defining shape, with the personnel to match. In direct consequence, each player was giving his best. And then came Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano. The two Argentinians are exceptional players who would command places in almost any club side in the world, but they were the last thing Pardew needed. Just when he had chosen his squad's best ingredients and moulded them into an effective unit, he was forced - for reasons still obscure to us and probably to him, too - to chop and change to incorporate the two stars. One win in six league matches is the result. Football changes, and approaches to management change with it. But some truths remain eternal, and this is one of them: the best teams do, indeed, write themselves. | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
edit: that is the biggest post ever... maybe it will be my bed time reading...... | ||
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