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Deleted User 48059
86 Posts
just started playing on asobrain yesterday username is weepingblades, same as on here I'm pretty dire atm, but hopefully will improve, and I'm def. up for some clannage. Been playing C&K so far, lots of fun Kev edit: huh, didn't realise that was my first post | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On August 17 2009 05:15 ThePhan2m wrote: Whoever says this game is based on luck is ignorant. After you played it a while, you learn alot more and the games never last more than 30mins. The postioning of the towns are the most important thing. Numbers 6 & 8 will clearly come most often, and if you then rely on bad numbers to win it is your own fault! You make your luck in this game. With 7's at top on rolls, followed by 5 / 9, then 4/10 and much less 3/11 & 2/12. Rolls will be in the order they are supposed to in most games, and atleast on asobrain, it will even out to be as it it suposed to be if you get unlucky in the begining with one number. This way you can control your play. Aswell as position houses in places where for instance Lumber and Brick are on the same number, witch makes roads much easier to build. Also Ore and Wheat, so Cities so much easier to uppgrade. And Sheep / Ore / Wheat for longer games, development cards will give you the game. Positioning is everything. If you say that it is only based on luck, then you havent even tried to improve. It is so much about the small things, like where you place your roads, when you build what and when you take dev cards. However the only thing thats heavily dependent on luck during some parts of the game is the development cards you take. Sometimes you might not get what you need. But there is also % chance on that, so if you need a knight to move the robber, the highest chance of the cards are a knight. You can even increase this chance, by logically thinking what has already been drawn from the cards, and the chances to get what you need. Please dont try to reason if you have barley tried this game. please play some real board games?  | ||
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LeperKahn
Romania1836 Posts
What are some "real" board games? | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On August 18 2009 17:10 LeperKahn wrote: What are some "real" board games? depends what you like but puerto rico, vinci, el grande, cuba, game of thrones are all a lot of fun if you like settlers of catan it's almost impossible not to love playing these games. the major difference is that these are all designed to negate the luck factor as much as possible so none of them work with dice | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
Asobrain got hacked 2 weeks ago, during the time they have been down, they have uppdated their system, including changing the dices back to totally random generators. For more info on the asobrain news uppdate. I've played alot alot settlers on asobrain, and the dices imo were perfect there. Making the curve on the numbers perfectly balanced. And then you could put your play totally acording to the numbers. Now, its completly random, its so based on luck. I just played a game, with 16 6's rolls, and 5 8 rolls. They should be equal to some extent, however, the person that got lucky enough to put his buildings on a 6 easily won the game. Including their intense lead with 13pts, to our 10 and me on 7. Also the fact of them chosing 9 aswell, i got unluck due to me having no 9s and 9 getting rolled 11 times. 7, suposedly getting rolled most, got rolled 9 times. This proves your where right, I here by retire from asobrain settlers. | ||
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Afasia
Finland70 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On August 18 2009 20:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: depends what you like but puerto rico, vinci, el grande, cuba, game of thrones are all a lot of fun if you like settlers of catan it's almost impossible not to love playing these games. the major difference is that these are all designed to negate the luck factor as much as possible so none of them work with dice So poker is just luck ?  Dice -> probabilities and it doesn't take the skill away. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 11 2009 08:41 Boblion wrote: So poker is just luck ? Dice -> probabilities and it doesn't take the skill away. youre kidding me right, poker over 20 hands (dice throws) is 99% luck | ||
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Afasia
Finland70 Posts
On November 11 2009 08:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: youre kidding me right, poker over 20 hands (dice throws) is 99% luck played by bets and typical betting structures, nope. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 11 2009 10:19 Afasia wrote: played by bets and typical betting structures, nope. what does that even mean, poker over 20 hands is clearly very very random seeing as how good players can lose to bad players over ten thousands of hands | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 08:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: youre kidding me right, poker over 20 hands (dice throws) is 99% luck Eh you are only rolling 20 dices in your life ? If you want to be serious about any kind of card game / wargame ( hell even bw or chess ) you need to do BoX ( with a really big X ) to know who is the best player. So yea that's not always the best player who wins. Like a stupid donk can win a MTT or your average C- Tosstard cheesing his way to beat a solid terran. But if you play a huge amount of Catan games you will have the highest win ratio ( if you are the best obviously ). | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
its also funny you think 'cheese' in sc is based on luck you can try to cheese someone substantially above your skill level all you want but you wont win, whereas in both poker and catan no matter how terrible someone is they can always beat you | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 11:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: you need to boX in sc not cause of luck but because equally skilled players often take games from each other you really have no idea about how sc dice poker are in comparison to each other And what about Durrr Vs Antonius 50K challenge ? Are they playing because " equally skilled players often take Eh i doubt you can answer that. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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paper
13196 Posts
you have no idea what you're talking about | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 11:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: its also funny you think 'cheese' in sc is based on luck you can try to cheese someone substantially above your skill level all you want but you wont win, whereas in both poker and catan no matter how terrible someone is they can always beat you I don't think it is based on luck. However in some match ups ( especially PvT ) there are some really tricky build orders and mediocre player might get some wins from better Terran players once in a while whereas they would rolled in a standart game. But does it means that the Toss player is better because he managed to make a successful DT drop ? | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
this would be poker in an sc setting: picking the worst strategy, play it the worst way, d level player against a level, and still being able to win | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 11:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: poker is not like sc buddy, the variance in SC is not due to random hands. the very fact that you compare SC variance to poker variance shows you are completely clueless about both of them Where i talked about variance in bw ? Actually variance and probabilities in poker can be calculed thanks to combinatorics. Obviously you can't know what is the probability for player A to beat player B in a bw game or any kind of sport or video games because you can't quantize all the infinite amount of variables that you need to describe a player. That's why you can only say if you know both players very well that player A for example can beat player most of the time or 2 out of 3 games but you will never be able to know what is the exact % ( moreover the skill of both players is constantly evolving ). But even if player A is WAY better than B he will never get a 100% probability of win. It will be something like 99,99999...% On the other hand in card games some cards always beat the others. I think we agree here right ? Ok maybe i have expressed myself poorly in my previous post. My point is that even if a game is revolving around dices and probabilities, if you can pick situations with an higher % of win than your opponent there is skill involved. That's not only true for poker but for many different kind of card games. Obviously that means that the complete beginner can beat you but overall you are still the best player and you will be the winner of a BoX or if you play a huge amount of games / hands etc ... edit: i know it can be lame because you can't 20-tabling Catan like poker and it is tilting to see one noob friend win the one hour game of the evening but if you could you would have the best win-loss ratio. So yea your 20 hands comparison was good. But what i said is that if you want to know who is the best just play tons of games of Catan and make a scoreboard. Takes time though :p Sry for the useless argument btw. Time to sleep. | ||
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Afasia
Finland70 Posts
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