[Game] Osu! - Page 68

Gotta say I do think making a distinction between Approved and Ranked is kinda lame. I understand having certain standards of quality that you want to enforce, but hell, most old maps are fucking TERRIBLE anyway, and are still ranked. I've played far more Approved maps that are worth playing than I have old (2008-2009 era) ranked maps.

4-5 minutes is by no means too long to be playing a music game. I can understand marathon maps that are like 10 minutes, or even longer, as being disqualified, but I come from a background in stepmania, and although marathon length maps (5+ minutes) were rare, it wasn't uncommon to see maps close to that length... And unlike osu there were no breaks. And people were fine playing the longer songs. I see no reason why 4-5 minutes should be considered "too long" :/

The score issue, I don't fully understand either.... Score is affected by the number of objects you have to hit, it stands to reason that maps with really long combos should have really high max scores, due to the long combos..... There are other things that affect overall difficulty of a map, but having a long max combo which results in a massive score shouldn't automatically disqualify a map... Making it absurdly easy to get by lowering the other difficulty settings should DQ it though...

I liked stepmania's type of scoring where notes were worth a certain fraction of the maximum score based on how many notes were in the song (the max score was based on the "foot rating" or difficulty of the song, but so many simfiles had a difficulty of 10 or more that the defacto standard was a max score of 100 mill). There were flaws in that system as well because the distribution of score value wasn't even between the starting and ending of the song, but I still think it's better than the combo based scoring of osu....

I don't really understand why you should apply an arbitrary max score, when the max score doesn't even have much bearing on the difficulty of the map. If someone were to make a map that was as difficult at normal speed as playing say, Cirno's Perfect Math Class's tag4 map on double time, like cookiezi did, I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet to say that it's score would be massive (especially if it was full song length, and not shortened the way songs are when you play them at double time), but it would still be doable, considering cookeizi raped that map.

Well, there's always the problem with most of a community being retarded... In Stepmania some of the larger forums were FFR (FlashFlashRevolution's forums), Arch0wl.com, bemanistyle.com and one other I can't remember, and most of them (Esepcially FFR) got made fun of for being full of idiots by the intelligent people, but a0 had a fairly close knit community which involved most of the top level stepchart makers (nearly all of the well known ones, actually), and was almost the defacto nerve center of the community. What a0 decreed became defacto standard. There were no real rules, but by virtue of the community containing a large portion of well known stepchart makers, what was decided by that community became the standard way to do things (although there were some people who just did things their own way anyway), and things worked out quite well. Arch0wl shut down years ago and the community was never the same. There was a new community that took the same sort of place that a0 had, but it was never quite the same.

What I'm trying to get at is that if there is an "elite" community, where inclusion basically just meant joining the community and not pissing the people off, but still retained the aspect of being the elite, by virtue of housing most of the well known mappers/whatever, then the community can steer itself fairly well. Stepmania's developers had very little interaction or decision making with the community, they mostly just maintained code and occasionally added features that people wanted (including online play for a while, but it was poorly put together)

And yeah, stepmania's scoring system was a holdover from DDR, which hada it's own unique aspects to scoring (which weren't even consistent between games either), but they were still much less crazy than I feel osu's, if you missed 1 note, you were bound to have a great score, even if you missed it at the end of the song, where it was worth far more than if you missed it at the start.

Plus, when In the Groove came out, people loved the percentage scores far more than the system that DDR had. It was much simpler, but showed you how well you did, and whether you FC'd the song, or what your max combo was so you could clearly see how well overall you did on the song.

But yeah, I basically feel that a developer shouldn't place arbitrary limits on what is considered "good enough" for a rhythm game. Either a map is good, and people like it, or it's shitty, and people generally hate it. In my experience most maps worth playing are fairly well known, and conversely most garbage hardly gets played... Unless Osu's community is really that full of retards.... But I feel like the kind of people who would regularly play trash maps also likely have pretty crappy scores and overall rankings (which was the same in stepmania, there were plenty of garbage stepcharts out there... But most of them only ever got played by people who were beyond terrible at the game anyway, and would never play at a high skill level anyway.

The chart is a keyboard chart (not one designed to be playable on a DDR pad), but one of the easiest ones... It's mostly 8th notes with a section of 16th notes at 164 BPM for just under 2 minutes.
And apparently they've changed the score system in stepmania 5.0, because that score should be below 100 mill) Score used to be capped at 100mill, with 10mill max score per difficulty level, meaning a 9's max score would be 90mill, and a 10's being 100, and everything above 10 capping out at 100mill, but I guess now they've removed the cap, so now my score is 107mill out of 110mill.