EPTOn June 08 2009 13:21 BeJe77 wrote:
But whatever happens goons will be chilling in Delve defending against the kennys.
But whatever happens goons will be chilling in Delve defending against the kennys.
"Defending" isn't going to be necessary much longer. AAA has stated publicly on the Russian EVE boards that they have no plans on ever revisiting Querious and Kenny isn't logging in anymore.
Source (in Russian)
While it may be a feint to try and get Goonfleet & Co to attack 49-U, KenGoku morale is completely in the gutter and AAA, an alliance that notoriously has ADD regarding POS wars, will not defend KenGoku's space for them when KenGoku won't even log in.
Here's the translated posts:
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(some KB with some totally different war goes here)
I want to say a couple of words.
The Querious situation exhausted us, and we have given the alliance a small break. There is a well known phenomenon called postwar syndrome, where, after the stresses of a war, real life seems unreal and strange. Something like that is going on in EVE right now. During the "peaceful" days, before the
attack on H74, we also took a break and had some good pew, but the thought of going back to the trenches was always in the back of my mind. A lot of the pleasure of the pew (we took a frigate gang into Providence and scored 100+ kills) was erased because of that.
This time around, when once again we got some mass pew without lag, scum and hatred, with goodfights and well executed tactics, something hit me. A half year ago, EVE was like that for us all the time. We pewed with our neighbors for sport. Yeah, we killed nearby alliances, but this is a game - people who can do that do it and the losers start over. Today, we have tons of hatred and rage, victory at any cost and by any means necessary.
Reading hostile forums as part of CEO-dom, I can't get used to the other side's (lolgoons) concentrated hatred of their enemies. "Burn", "trample", "censored" and "censored" - from post to post, from topic to topic. I won't repost this stuff - those who read it know, the rest are better off without it. I see that people don't realize the difference between a callout and aggression, between sporting competition and hatred, between prevailing over the enemy and his total annihilation.
How did we always see politics in LGK? The most important thing was to have the biggest amount of targets. For talented soloers, for roaming gangs, for gangs of 100+, and for random inter-corp pew, nobody needs a cobalt POS or to have good constellations. Yes, as guardians of the forest, we periodically pruned the dying and useless alliances. New ones arose in their place, their leaders learned, and now ex-KOS are burning their full share of napalm as part of PL.
When I look at the black and white universe of the "other" side, who almost never flies fun roaming ops, doesn't have friends (just uses their allies), doesn't play for sport but hates and wants blood (and doesn't hesitate to cross over into IRL in any situation as soon as it becomes possible), I get an unpleasant feeling. I don't see the "other" side having any fun-pvp alliances who fight for pleasure. It's possible that I'm not reading all their forums and don't know their internal life well, but what I see is a muddy stream of teenage aggression and the desire to pay back for childish hurts.
I think that we can keep this in check and we have a lot of good days on the hospitable front lawns of Providence ahead of us. There's a long time until we get there, and things could always get worse, but as they say, to live is to hope.
I want to say a couple of words.
The Querious situation exhausted us, and we have given the alliance a small break. There is a well known phenomenon called postwar syndrome, where, after the stresses of a war, real life seems unreal and strange. Something like that is going on in EVE right now. During the "peaceful" days, before the
attack on H74, we also took a break and had some good pew, but the thought of going back to the trenches was always in the back of my mind. A lot of the pleasure of the pew (we took a frigate gang into Providence and scored 100+ kills) was erased because of that.
This time around, when once again we got some mass pew without lag, scum and hatred, with goodfights and well executed tactics, something hit me. A half year ago, EVE was like that for us all the time. We pewed with our neighbors for sport. Yeah, we killed nearby alliances, but this is a game - people who can do that do it and the losers start over. Today, we have tons of hatred and rage, victory at any cost and by any means necessary.
Reading hostile forums as part of CEO-dom, I can't get used to the other side's (lolgoons) concentrated hatred of their enemies. "Burn", "trample", "censored" and "censored" - from post to post, from topic to topic. I won't repost this stuff - those who read it know, the rest are better off without it. I see that people don't realize the difference between a callout and aggression, between sporting competition and hatred, between prevailing over the enemy and his total annihilation.
How did we always see politics in LGK? The most important thing was to have the biggest amount of targets. For talented soloers, for roaming gangs, for gangs of 100+, and for random inter-corp pew, nobody needs a cobalt POS or to have good constellations. Yes, as guardians of the forest, we periodically pruned the dying and useless alliances. New ones arose in their place, their leaders learned, and now ex-KOS are burning their full share of napalm as part of PL.
When I look at the black and white universe of the "other" side, who almost never flies fun roaming ops, doesn't have friends (just uses their allies), doesn't play for sport but hates and wants blood (and doesn't hesitate to cross over into IRL in any situation as soon as it becomes possible), I get an unpleasant feeling. I don't see the "other" side having any fun-pvp alliances who fight for pleasure. It's possible that I'm not reading all their forums and don't know their internal life well, but what I see is a muddy stream of teenage aggression and the desire to pay back for childish hurts.
I think that we can keep this in check and we have a lot of good days on the hospitable front lawns of Providence ahead of us. There's a long time until we get there, and things could always get worse, but as they say, to live is to hope.
The first reply is this:
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Blaster Worm, it's quite possible that this serious business mentality on their part is not just because of their childish hurts, but because they're also tired. This war is taking too long and I doubt anyone in it is still having fun.
If even Mittani, the zombification master [propaganda master] is openly writing that hypno-tricks aren't working well on his alliance and friends anymore, what can you say about the other participants in the Great War? This might be provocative, but, IMHO, it's time to close the book on "Band of Brothers". Everyone would be better off and calmer as a result. The goons would live in the west, serious players would finally start paying attention to weak alliances who survive only because the big kids aren't paying attention, the NC would go back north and there'd be a break in 15k on 15k warfare. The overall tone of EVE would be better off as a result, too.
But this is all daydreaming. Going back to current events, right now on the eastern front of the Great War, your Atlas friends cleaned out and absorbed the remains of GS' old home. GS representatives aren't exactly risking their eternal soul when they use the forum war classic "We don't need this Detorid anyway", but there's no more airbag between RA and superfriendswarm. And current events in the west form a balance in this war: the north is helping goons, AAA and co. are helping BoB, and in the east RA + friends aren't even close to AAA + co.'s alliance strength. Besides, RA's already involved in one war, and if the superfriends invade Innsmother from the south, I'm afraid RA, not ED, will be the ones flying to Empire. Even Dodger's posts addressed to ED - "You're going to Empire no matter how many fronts we're fighting on" - sound more like desperation than a threat. It's sad to see the confirmation of the CAOD post: "russians most hated by other russians". After getting through the lies, dirt and infighting and setting a course for brighter times, it'd be sad if the legendary RA name would end like this.
BTW, why is BoB so set on Querious and Delve? It's obvious that it's their former home and the first reaction is, naturally, to try to get it back. But somehow they're still stuck on that months later. Why couldn't they try to take the territory of a UNL (when they had some), Kraftwerk or some other neutral or hostile alliance that isn't particularly strong, away from the current theater? They would've built a base and started a methodical counterattack. As it stands, this frontal assault they're doing isn't particularly smart, and it's tiring and pissing off both sides.
It's too bad I'm writing this for nothing. Local politicians are used to mask their feelings with killboard bravado, trolling and hypnotoads, and nobody wants to talk about anything important.
Which is followed by:
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Talking about serious issues is theoretically more interesting, but it's hard to do that around people who want to express themselves but aren't particularly experienced at life or in game. Thanks for the post - at least it made me think.
About my tiredness: I must say that the contents of the info-noise goons make have never changed throughout the course of the war. It began much earlier, when goons originally arose. It's not my opinion - old timers say that CAOD used to be different and EVE itself had less retardation and psychosis. You can write this off as typical bleating, but I also remember EVE being very different. It had anger, but didn't have hatred.
About BoB and Delve: the problem is that, had the regions been lost in a war or a regular siege, morale would have been lost long before the last sov claim. But the regions were lost by trickery, made even worse because nobody could even imagine the scale of the loss. To lose the regions for BoB was to lose face. But this alliance plays in a classical war style, what goons ridicule as "space bushido." Losing face for them is worse than death.
Does everyone else in EVE want BoB to die? Some do. The northerners are dead tired of the war. BoB are their enemies from the dawn of time, and the threat of BoB's existence is a sword of Damocles over them that newbie pilots absorb with the milk of their first Rifter. They don't really have another goal in the game: the whole north is spoken for and the borders are drawn. Sometimes they can play around with resettling pets in different places, but where's the game? Where's the drama, politics, intrigue and skirmishes? They can't start playing it because "BoB would choke them off one by one". It's a deep fear of their eternal enemy.
I don't think EVE will ever be the same. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. A war can put 2000 people into one system, and "day to day" fights last months; making EVE into that type of game could only happen if everyone is convinced they're not just shooting pixels. I don't think I like this version of EVE, but that's what the game now is. Because several thousand people like to hate the enemy and spend months shooting POS, blobbing, and live on their hatred of the enemy, it must be accounted for, especially because they don't even remember a different game anymore.
About my tiredness: I must say that the contents of the info-noise goons make have never changed throughout the course of the war. It began much earlier, when goons originally arose. It's not my opinion - old timers say that CAOD used to be different and EVE itself had less retardation and psychosis. You can write this off as typical bleating, but I also remember EVE being very different. It had anger, but didn't have hatred.
About BoB and Delve: the problem is that, had the regions been lost in a war or a regular siege, morale would have been lost long before the last sov claim. But the regions were lost by trickery, made even worse because nobody could even imagine the scale of the loss. To lose the regions for BoB was to lose face. But this alliance plays in a classical war style, what goons ridicule as "space bushido." Losing face for them is worse than death.
Does everyone else in EVE want BoB to die? Some do. The northerners are dead tired of the war. BoB are their enemies from the dawn of time, and the threat of BoB's existence is a sword of Damocles over them that newbie pilots absorb with the milk of their first Rifter. They don't really have another goal in the game: the whole north is spoken for and the borders are drawn. Sometimes they can play around with resettling pets in different places, but where's the game? Where's the drama, politics, intrigue and skirmishes? They can't start playing it because "BoB would choke them off one by one". It's a deep fear of their eternal enemy.
I don't think EVE will ever be the same. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. A war can put 2000 people into one system, and "day to day" fights last months; making EVE into that type of game could only happen if everyone is convinced they're not just shooting pixels. I don't think I like this version of EVE, but that's what the game now is. Because several thousand people like to hate the enemy and spend months shooting POS, blobbing, and live on their hatred of the enemy, it must be accounted for, especially because they don't even remember a different game anymore.
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