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Spike
United States1392 Posts
The point I wanted to make is that it would be really unfortunate if all teams everywhere decided to park 10 behind the ball in an effort to win. I hope it doesn't get to the point where all leagues will be like Serie A. Winning is the most important thing, I don't dispute this, but when a game is played in such a defensive nature (let's be honest, much easier to defend than create in football) it just blowwwwwwwwwwwwsssssssssss. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:53 Breavman wrote: Sure, Chelsea can play like that vs Fulham, but could they do it vs a top team, on away ground, with one man less? Not a chance, only one team in the world can. I agree with you that Barcelona's way of playing isn't the smartest but I respect them because they keep trying to play after their vision no matter what. Only one team in the world can? Can you please tell me what team is that, because it sure as hell isn't Barcelona. | ||
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:18 crookstar wrote: You're from Spain, if you really believe football is designed to be a fucking cartoon where overpaid players twinkle their way around the pitch for 90 minutes and the team with the best attack but not necessarily the best defence always wins then... It is just perspectives. Saying that Barcelona deserved to beat Chelsea simply because they played more 'exciting' football is stupid imho. Although if one takes into account the first leg in Barcelona, then overall Barca deserve to be in the final - just. Just please dont turn football into a stupid argument where the more attractive solution wins every time. Any tactic, as long as it can win games, is valid, and should be treated with respect. I'm not saying that Barcelona deserves it because of they played exciting, I say they deserve it because they did 70% possesion, even with 10 players. They were the only ones trying to win with the ball, and that's what I matter, love, and look for in a football match. Without their captain, without a starter striker as Henry, with 10 players against another 10 sitting on their box they continued believing on their style. I'm fine with you loving deffensive football, I won't call you stupid. I'm fine also with italian catenaccio supporters, but I hate deffensive teams. I hate diving, I hate wasting time making the "nurses" come in to waste a couple of minutes, and so on. And when a football team defeats a defensive team in the 90' I get an orgasm =) Or in the PK shootout like Spain vs Italy this Euro. It's great. It's like "look, I killed you with your weapon =)" And finally, I'm tired of watching the biggest club competition become a NON_CONCEDING championship. The team with less goals against wins. What a joke of a sport it would be if instead of counting victories we counted losses. | ||
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Breavman
Sweden598 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:56 Klive5ive wrote: Only one team in the world can? Can you please tell me what team is that, because it sure as hell isn't Barcelona. They are clearly the best in the world at playing a ball possession game vs high competition. I already agreed that it is not always efficient but it's entertaining to me. | ||
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noddyz
United Kingdom462 Posts
Chelsea's counter attacks were the highlight for me. | ||
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LogaiN
Sweden1073 Posts
It's obvious Barcelona do have problems playing a physical team like Chelsea. But they still managed to attack well despite being 10 against 11. This is football philosophy. If Chelsea had the guts to play some attacking football, they could have scored 2-0/3-0 but instead they rely on their defense for the rest of the game. Barcelona also at least TRIED, compared to what Chelsea did in Barcelona (played with 11 defeneders that is). Yeah I don't care about "effectiveness" in football, i care about it being an art and being funny to watch. That's what Barcelona stands for. Total football. Over two games Barcelona was the better team, in this particular match Chelsea was better. Good to see a different final this year, because last years was only brilliant in the minds of tactics. | ||
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crookstar
United Kingdom21 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:57 Telemako wrote: I'm not saying that Barcelona deserves it because of they played exciting, I say they deserve it because they did 70% possesion, even with 10 players. They were the only ones trying to win with the ball, and that's what I matter, love, and look for in a football match. Without their captain, without a starter striker as Henry, with 10 players against another 10 sitting on their box they continued believing on their style. I'm fine with you loving deffensive football, I won't call you stupid. I'm fine also with italian catenaccio supporters, but I hate deffensive teams. I hate diving, I hate wasting time making the "nurses" come in to waste a couple of minutes, and so on. And when a football team defeats a defensive team in the 90' I get an orgasm =) Or in the PK shootout like Spain vs Italy this Euro. It's great. It's like "look, I killed you with your weapon =)" And finally, I'm tired of watching the biggest club competition become a NON_CONCEDING championship. The team with less goals against wins. What a joke of a sport it would be if instead of counting victories we counted losses. I think all of this is fine; what I dont think is fine is the warped logic that many on the internet view football with. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Barcelona play, ive seen them live 5 times. But, I also love watching Chelsea play, for different reasons. The posts I was reacting to appear to be trolls, and I walked into them. Sorry! | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:56 Klive5ive wrote: Only one team in the world can? Can you please tell me what team is that, because it sure as hell isn't Barcelona. You got to look at a team and explode its qualities and thats what Guardiola did, Barcelona plays mostly on ground , quick fast football because its players allow that to happen, you can't take a style of play of 1 team and impose it to other , Chelsea won't play fast-paced football and make control the possession of the ball making 40-50 straight passes to each other like it was second nature,you just can't because different players will bring you a different playstyle. Chelsea is more physical than technical , hence they have better players on headers,etc. And Barca is more technical than physical | ||
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
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DarkYoDA
United States1347 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:54 ilj.psa wrote: lol what was Drogba saying there? "Yo' ya know what I mean?" "Chelsea FC's creatin a scene!" "The ref tried to mess with the best" "And the Blues ain't takin it like that!" | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:57 Telemako wrote: So you hate the Spanish league then?I hate diving, I hate wasting time making the "nurses" come in to waste a couple of minutes, and so on. On May 07 2009 06:57 Telemako wrote: And finally, I'm tired of watching the biggest club competition become a NON_CONCEDING championship. The team with less goals against wins. What a joke of a sport it would be if instead of counting victories we counted losses. The CL has always been a non conceding championship. That's why it's so frustrating. It is a joke and I made that point about 25 pages ago. Man United deserves to have won many more than they have, but they were beaten by defensive teams like Milan twice, Bayern, Porto etc.. so they adapted and learned how to play in the CL. Barca played the game badly tonight, it's as simple as that. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 07 2009 07:00 Breavman wrote: They are clearly the best in the world at playing a ball possession game vs high competition. I already agreed that it is not always efficient but it's entertaining to me. Clearly not since they failed to score in 180 minutes versus high competition. Any team could have scored that injury time winner, you see those in the premiership every week. "ball possession game" you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
Lets not squeeze it into particular situations. Had Hiddink attacked more bravely and opted for finishing the opponent instead of defending->weak counterattacking, I'm sure Chelsea would have advanced. Now you know why attack is the best form of defense  Hoping for a more entertaining final. Rome, here we come ^^ Vamonos Barça ! | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28714 Posts
barcelona should also have had one in the first and it wouldve created an entirely different second leg.. to comment more on the general state of the games though.. I understand people who prefer watching la liga over the premier league, there are more goals and more high class technical details. however, what I don't get is this notion that barcelona played "better" or more offensive football in these two games.. they hardly created anything. in the first game they went like 80 minutes without a goalscoring opportunity, this game they went 92.. that's not quality offensive play.. possession is worthless, and I don't get whats entertaining about watching teams pass the ball between midfield players. this is where barcelona excelled over these two games, they held possession a large majority of the time. but they were not attacking with a lot of players (until the last 15 minutes), and aside from iniestas awesome shot and some off target shots, they created nothing.. so well, as impressive as barcelona has been in the la liga this season, the impression I'm left with after these two games is that this says just as much about la liga as about barcelona. Their offense is not good against a truly good defense. liverpool and united are both far more capable of scoring against this chelsea defense. I haven't seen many actual games of barcelona this season - only a lot of highlights. im not sure whether barcelona was sub-par in these games or if chelsea made them sub-par, but I just don't get where the notion that barcelonas way of playing is more offensive than chelseas way of playing.. it doesnt create any more chances, it's just that barcelonas way of defending is to keep the ball in their team. finals are gonna be fun as hell tho.  but based on these games, united are clear and obvious favourites - what they showed against arsenal was several levels above what either chelsea or barcelona showed in these two games. anything can happen though, there's quite a lot of luck involved in 90 minutes of football.  | ||
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
Of course I do, well, I hate that part =P. I WAAY prefer Premier refereeing (sp?). I wish they start to ban diving players as they once said they will. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
I mean, do you know how Chelsea played against United away this season? They defended, but United still scored 3 goals, because they were better. Barca was not the better side tonight, they got lucky. | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
The truth is, we don't know anything beside the fact that it's Barca and ManU who will play in the champions league final this year ^^ | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On May 07 2009 06:48 Luhh wrote: Barcelona had pretty much the same team last year and pretty much the same thing happened against united. Rather boring games. However the final Chelsea Manure was awesome. Barca not doing anything but trying not to lose possession of the ball and United trying to score goals and win the match. Bad games just like this one, and it's not because of Chelsea backing home, they back home because Barca is simply weak against strong players and strong defense. Barcelona is not really playing attacking football, they very seldom try to get players into scoring positions and in the box, they set up camp on the opponents half, but they don't do much trying to score so I don't see what's "attacking" about that. It's just another form of defensive play, trying to see if they get an opportunity somehow without risking losing possession. Another person here in the thread was criticizing Alves wasting crosses. Not really. Because you have such a slim chance of scoring if you don't put a lot of power into the cross, otherwise it will simply sail into the arms of the keeper and you can't head it with power. What he's trying to do is a lot harder than simply getting the ball into the box. Take Lahm for instance, a rather overrated full back I must say, since he can't hit drive crosses worth shit, simply lame backspin flops right into the defense. And finally - YES - to score many goals in modern football you HAVE to hit some long chancey balls or take chances and push more players into the box risking counterattack or take shots from bad angles hoping for rebounds etc etc. Please don't use Barcelonas record against weaker teams when it comes to scoring goals, like the spanish league, spanish defense in general is plain awful, and barcelona and real are so far ahead of the others in the league resource wise it's not even funny. Sadly, this makes Manure the best team in the world today, since they know the difference between attacking and passing the ball around, plus the have great defense and are dangerous outside the box as well as inside. They can score on corners, free kicks, counter-attacks, long shots, crosses and what have you. Longish rant, but I felt it needed to be said looking at some of the posts in this thread. Barcelona isn't bad, that's not what I'm saying, but they don't really play much attacking football (except against weak teams). Attractive is subjective so I won't comment on that. I'd rather say they play ineffective football, their defense isn't world class level compared to (pool, Manure, chelsea), they don't have enough physical strength in the squad imo, and strong headers. They'd probably benefit a lot from new central defenders and a good target player striker. If Barcelona doesn't have an attacking football then I don't know who has. Seems to me like these are the only games of Barça you've watched this season. They always pressure up and always keep attacking even if winning 3-0, which is one of the main reasons they are about to break the scoring record at la liga. You are so biased it's funny. You say they don't have world class defense (of course they didnt this game considering neither Puyol nor Marquez are playing) and don't have enough physical strength or strong headers, yet you don't even mention they have the awesome midfield players (xavi and iniesta) and also have Messi (best or second best player in the world), Eto'o and Henry all of those being one of the bests at their spot, as well as other really good players such as Alves and Yaya Toure. And still, I wouldn't call either Barça or ManU, it's really hard to tell although they are surely on top, let's see how the final goes. | ||
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crookstar
United Kingdom21 Posts
Also, some stats for the match Chelsea Barcelona 13(4) Shots (on Goal) 14(1) 29% Time of Possession 71% possession, whoop de do. | ||
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