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+ Show Spoiler +Hello all. I've recently picked this game up again and it is still fun. It would be more fun, however, if there was a similar movement as with dota here on the forums for gunz. I would love to have some TL inhouse games~ Here is a quote shamelessly taken from another website describing the game: + Show Spoiler +GunZ is very similar to other FPS games widely available. However, it also contains elements that are totally different from any other existing FPS games. Gunz is free to download and free to play.
A number of different actions are available in GunZ, like the ones offered in console games or seen in movies. Ranging from dashing, wall jumps, tumbling, hanging from the walls, multi-step jumps on the walls to the combinations of actions using swords or guns, there are plenty of actions available. GunZ appeals to not only the sense of "SHOOTING" but also to the feeling of "MOVEMENTS".
The battles unfolds not only on the ground but also on the walls, columns and even the statues. You can step on, run on, and jump off the walls and columns making use of a variety of skillful actions. Experience and create an all new strategic play with GunZ!
The developers continue to expand the world of GunZ every day. As an action game with a touch of a role playing game, GunZ will continue to introduce more diverse and interesting role-playing elements rather than simply offering more level-up oppotunities for the players. Here is the link if you would like more information: http://www.gunzonline.com/Here is the link to download the installer: http://www.gameborder.com/downloadcheck.cgi?c=1023&f=GunzInstaller.exe&srv=www4&t=GunZ The Duel USAThe north american version is run by ijji (the same people who do gunbound) The game itself is a third person shooter with rpg elements (exp and clothes/weapons upgrades) It also is quite technical, resulting in the need for many times more apm than what is required for starcraft. I know there have been one or two threads about this game before, but none in the past couple years. So, I ask all of you here: Want to play some GunZ with me?
Alright, guys. The OP is in spoilers to make room for the active player list.
It has come to my attention that we are using ijji and we are in server Quest 3. Once there, type in /chatjoin TeamLiquid
TL ID - GunZ ID Updated November 13, 08
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IntoTheWow - IntoTheWow / IntoTheRain
HeavOnEarth - kerpwnt
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playing Gunz with friends is infinitely more fun than playing with pubs, esp when everyone's from the same continent and there are no hackers :s
please don't come into the thread and say gunz suxxXxXxx because it really is fun with people you know
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I play it like once every three+ months, but it can be pretty fun. Sometimes it feels like sc too.
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damnit... where were you two years ago. I guess I'll have to dl it again.
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Nice, i'll give it a shot
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i can teach the moves for those who dont know
butterfly
double butterfly
half step
half half step
quickmed
flash step
ik
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I tried picking up this game again a few months ago and couldn't figure out the new server arrangements. I kept getting bluescreened. It was weird.
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Requires more APM than SC!?
apm over 9000!?
anyway, i don't know how to play but i'll try it out? Or is everyone in here like gosu T-T;;
i've seen the game before, looked pretty fun. starcraft is pissing me off so i could use a break.
dling~
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Last time I tried I couldn't play any ijji games on vista, is this resolved yet?
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Oh fuck I havn't thought about this game in a couple years now. I loved GunZ but I quit when hackers were just everywhere =\.I would play it with tl people for sure.
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I've been playing Gunz since the first day of Igunz Beta back in 2005. Granted I haven't played in two years but if you feel like getting owned PM me or something ^_^ lol
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ok it works, and I really suck haha
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i play gunz on http://gunz.ijji.com
level 61 usually on na clan war
im kerpwnt on there and i think ijji server is a lot better for US/CAN , north american people, they have more of us and trust me lag is a huge factor in the game.
but i'll dl igunz again if u want that
pm me on tl if u wanna play/ or i can teach u some stuff
7v1 me gogo?
;edit;
also it does take more apm than starcraft
but there's hardly any real strategy so starcraft> that in gameplay by a long shot.
it's very entertaining.
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Gunz was great when I played it, but the few guys who lagged and were unhittable even while just walking around always ruined the fun. I think a few of them might have been hacking too. Running up walls was always awesome.
I got a rocket launcher and then quit shortly after that. :>
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Its a pretty fun game for anyone wondering if they should try it out or not. I played with a bunch of friends in vent when we were like 3-4 years younger.
One criticism is that its pretty easy, if you're any good at fps games like counter-strike or UT. The bad part about this is when you go back and try to play those other fps games you try to double tap and wall-run like in GunZ, LOL.
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On November 11 2008 07:18 zer0das wrote:
Gunz was great when I played it, but the few guys who lagged and were unhittable even while just walking around always ruined the fun. I think a few of them might have been hacking too. Running up walls was always awesome.
I got a rocket launcher and then quit shortly after that. :>
avoid them , you won't get skills playing those people; kinda like playing ums pub games without chaos launcher
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On November 11 2008 07:19 Ack1027 wrote:
Its a pretty fun game for anyone wondering if they should try it out or not. I played with a bunch of friends in vent when we were like 3-4 years younger.
One criticism is that its pretty easy, if you're any good at fps games like counter-strike or UT. The bad part about this is when you go back and try to play those other fps games you try to double tap and wall-run like in GunZ, LOL.
One criticism is that gunz is easy...?
It's by far the hardest fps i've ever played.
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On November 11 2008 06:13 Ki_Do wrote:
i can teach the moves for those who dont know
butterfly
double butterfly
half step
half half step
quickmed
flash step
ik
Whats... ik ?
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Man Gunz wrecked my hands when I used to play it. Was kinda fun once I finally could get more guns.
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On November 11 2008 07:33 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 07:18 zer0das wrote:
Gunz was great when I played it, but the few guys who lagged and were unhittable even while just walking around always ruined the fun. I think a few of them might have been hacking too. Running up walls was always awesome.
I got a rocket launcher and then quit shortly after that. :> avoid them , you won't get skills playing those people; kinda like playing ums pub games without chaos launcher
There was almost always one of these guys around on nearly ever server when I quit.
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On November 11 2008 07:33 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 07:19 Ack1027 wrote:
Its a pretty fun game for anyone wondering if they should try it out or not. I played with a bunch of friends in vent when we were like 3-4 years younger.
One criticism is that its pretty easy, if you're any good at fps games like counter-strike or UT. The bad part about this is when you go back and try to play those other fps games you try to double tap and wall-run like in GunZ, LOL. One criticism is that gunz is easy...? It's by far the hardest fps i've ever played.
What's the other FPS you've played? At what level?
I say its easy because I would play against people who were 30-40 levels higher and actually paid for the game, whereas I was just playing international at like level 12 and I was easily outplaying those people. My friends and I had a rule where we only got to use swords against people 20 levels higher than us cuz more often than not they were terribads.
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On November 11 2008 08:07 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 07:33 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 11 2008 07:19 Ack1027 wrote:
Its a pretty fun game for anyone wondering if they should try it out or not. I played with a bunch of friends in vent when we were like 3-4 years younger.
One criticism is that its pretty easy, if you're any good at fps games like counter-strike or UT. The bad part about this is when you go back and try to play those other fps games you try to double tap and wall-run like in GunZ, LOL. One criticism is that gunz is easy...? It's by far the hardest fps i've ever played. What's the other FPS you've played? At what level? I say its easy because I would play against people who were 30-40 levels higher and actually paid for the game, whereas I was just playing international at like level 12 and I was easily outplaying those people. My friends and I had a rule where we only got to use swords against people 20 levels higher than us cuz more often than not they were terribads.
I don't see what's hard about UT or Counterstrke, but likewise i don't play counterstrike at cal level.
Gunz u have to move fast, and aim at a more intensive rate in my opinion
True i've never played any other fps as competitively as gunz ;
and playing counterstrike for money or whatever probably is difficult in its own ways,
but likwise it's impossible to judge gunz as easy just because you outplayed a couple noobs ,
it's like going 10-0 against iccup D- and thinking you're any good
I'm not making judgments against halo or CS although i admit i am a bit biased against a game that doesn't take as much hand speed as gunz does ; especially at a competitive level, but i still won't write it off "as ezpzlmnsqz" the way you have seem to put gunz
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The closest thing Counterstrike has to GunZ is cancelling animations for some of the sniper guns. If guys want, I can make a list of people playing on the OP and maybe someone could set up a vent channel or something? (I don't really know how to do it ^^)
edit: I'm not good with pure k-style, but i used to play a decent hybrid back in the day.
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doesnt it cost money to play cs
i used to use my cousins steam account
otherwise most ppl use xfire for gunz
but we could just chat ingame u can set up macros for gunz so u dont really need a mic
just tap f1f2f3f4: zomg enemy here : ahh retreat : help im getting owned: etc =/
if you're making a list of people u could do it like this, etc.
maybe get peoples aim/msn/gmail but i think tl PM system will be fine
TL Account: HeavOnEarth Gunz account: Kerpwnt
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man, learning k style was the shit.
i'd just go into team melee, wait for my team to die, then fuck up everyone with that shit man...the best is when a guy on their team busts it as well, and you just get some madness happening
MADNESS
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Gunz was fun the first.. 3 days, then it got old beacuse it was the same thing over and over and the actual gameplay was very.. bland and felt disconnected.
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i use to play gunz a lot but after ijji came out i stopped >_<
Are there new k style moves? The only move I remember I had trouble with was double bf
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I used to play that a bit 2-3 years ago. I just remember it being really easy cause everyone sucked major balls for some reason.
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I don't know how the fuck to use the sword lol. I'm decent with guns but can't do any of those fancy moves with the sword
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Oh holy shit man. I played that so so so long ago when it was only quite new.
Have they made any HUGE updates since the original release?
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On November 11 2008 07:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 06:13 Ki_Do wrote:
i can teach the moves for those who dont know
butterfly
double butterfly
half step
half half step
quickmed
flash step
ik Whats... ik ?
who cares all you need is full step and good aim. every other move is useless
ill play =) i haven't played for many many months, but i used to play a fair amount in the beta (50+) and i have a 50+ on ijji w/ some crappy prems (powerelvl'd of course but i couldn't be bothered to lvl up again)
it'd probably take me a few weeks to actually get good again but i might still be fun to play against. maybe not, depending on your lvl. set up a time!
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GunZ is fun, but it's very tiring to play for several hours. There's moments when you are left 1vX and you have to run from people by wall running, bouncing, butterflying until you lose some and can try and kill 1 of them and repeat until you kill them all (if you can). Your hands won't stop going at the keyboard for a long time and it's way more spamming that Starcraft.
It's a lot of fun, and learning K-Style makes its very fun and flashy.
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Also noob bashing on GunZ is LOTS of fun. You can run in the middle of 10 people fighting, kill 5 and come out alive. If you are very good you can easily end 100-0 or 100-2 in deathmatch.
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On November 11 2008 07:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 06:13 Ki_Do wrote:
i can teach the moves for those who dont know
butterfly
double butterfly
half step
half half step
quickmed
flash step
ik Whats... ik ?
I'm guessing instant kill.
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On November 11 2008 08:40 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 08:07 Ack1027 wrote:On November 11 2008 07:33 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 11 2008 07:19 Ack1027 wrote:
Its a pretty fun game for anyone wondering if they should try it out or not. I played with a bunch of friends in vent when we were like 3-4 years younger.
One criticism is that its pretty easy, if you're any good at fps games like counter-strike or UT. The bad part about this is when you go back and try to play those other fps games you try to double tap and wall-run like in GunZ, LOL. One criticism is that gunz is easy...? It's by far the hardest fps i've ever played. What's the other FPS you've played? At what level? I say its easy because I would play against people who were 30-40 levels higher and actually paid for the game, whereas I was just playing international at like level 12 and I was easily outplaying those people. My friends and I had a rule where we only got to use swords against people 20 levels higher than us cuz more often than not they were terribads. I don't see what's hard about UT or Counterstrke, but likewise i don't play counterstrike at cal level. Gunz u have to move fast, and aim at a more intensive rate in my opinion True i've never played any other fps as competitively as gunz ; and playing counterstrike for money or whatever probably is difficult in its own ways, but likwise it's impossible to judge gunz as easy just because you outplayed a couple noobs , it's like going 10-0 against iccup D- and thinking you're any good I'm not making judgments against halo or CS although i admit i am a bit biased against a game that doesn't take as much hand speed as gunz does ; especially at a competitive level, but i still won't write it off "as ezpzlmnsqz" the way you have seem to put gunz
Well, let's just say [ and you have admitted this ] you know very little about competitive FPS games. CS and UT are/were the most popular which is why I used those examples. UT is actually faster than GunZ, so by your logic this is a superior game: ' i am a bit biased against a game that doesn't take as much hand speed as gunz does ; especially at a competitive level' .
CAL level counter-strike is a joke which in-itself shows that you don't know very much about it. Also CS is a team game, but as an FPS you can still compare it to GunZ in that a very good player will embarrass you every time.
Your analogy about going 10-0 iCCup D- is a poor one. I played GunZ for over 6 months and with a korean friend who played on the korean servers actually paying for shit and playing the clans that were around at that point. It has been 3-4 years so granted that is a lot of time for big in-game changes to be applied, but from my experience and general game theory GunZ was pretty easy compared to FPS I've played such as 1.6, source, UT, halo even.
You pay once for cs, its not a subscription. A good competitive game [ aka gameplay ] will draw players. If you compare GunZ to CS+CS:Source [ the most popular multiplayer game in the world even if you included Korea and sc ] its pretty laughable to think a skilled GunZ player is comparable to a valuable member of a big CS team. Are there even leagues for GunZ?
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On November 11 2008 09:46 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 07:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 11 2008 06:13 Ki_Do wrote:
i can teach the moves for those who dont know
butterfly
double butterfly
half step
half half step
quickmed
flash step
ik Whats... ik ? I'm guessing instant kill.
oh insta
thats easy ... and worthless in the long run; =/
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On November 11 2008 06:53 MiniRoman wrote:
Oh fuck I havn't thought about this game in a couple years now. I loved GunZ but I quit when hackers were just everywhere =\.I would play it with tl people for sure.
Yeah, that's the reason why I stopped playing warrock, this other shooter. Im pretty sure Nexon's combat arms is is infested with hackers by now. The game is free so it's a hacker's delight.
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On November 11 2008 09:52 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 08:40 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 11 2008 08:07 Ack1027 wrote:On November 11 2008 07:33 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 11 2008 07:19 Ack1027 wrote:
Its a pretty fun game for anyone wondering if they should try it out or not. I played with a bunch of friends in vent when we were like 3-4 years younger.
One criticism is that its pretty easy, if you're any good at fps games like counter-strike or UT. The bad part about this is when you go back and try to play those other fps games you try to double tap and wall-run like in GunZ, LOL. One criticism is that gunz is easy...? It's by far the hardest fps i've ever played. What's the other FPS you've played? At what level? I say its easy because I would play against people who were 30-40 levels higher and actually paid for the game, whereas I was just playing international at like level 12 and I was easily outplaying those people. My friends and I had a rule where we only got to use swords against people 20 levels higher than us cuz more often than not they were terribads. I don't see what's hard about UT or Counterstrke, but likewise i don't play counterstrike at cal level. Gunz u have to move fast, and aim at a more intensive rate in my opinion True i've never played any other fps as competitively as gunz ; and playing counterstrike for money or whatever probably is difficult in its own ways, but likwise it's impossible to judge gunz as easy just because you outplayed a couple noobs , it's like going 10-0 against iccup D- and thinking you're any good I'm not making judgments against halo or CS although i admit i am a bit biased against a game that doesn't take as much hand speed as gunz does ; especially at a competitive level, but i still won't write it off "as ezpzlmnsqz" the way you have seem to put gunz Well, let's just say [ and you have admitted this ] you know very little about competitive FPS games. CS and UT are/were the most popular which is why I used those examples. UT is actually faster than GunZ, so by your logic this is a superior game: ' i am a bit biased against a game that doesn't take as much hand speed as gunz does ; especially at a competitive level' . CAL level counter-strike is a joke which in-itself shows that you don't know very much about it. Also CS is a team game, but as an FPS you can still compare it to GunZ in that a very good player will embarrass you every time. Your analogy about going 10-0 iCCup D- is a poor one. I played GunZ for over 6 months and with a korean friend who played on the korean servers actually paying for shit and playing the clans that were around at that point. It has been 3-4 years so granted that is a lot of time for big in-game changes to be applied, but from my experience and general game theory GunZ was pretty easy compared to FPS I've played such as 1.6, source, UT, halo even. You pay once for cs, its not a subscription. A good competitive game [ aka gameplay ] will draw players. If you compare GunZ to CS+CS:Source [ the most popular multiplayer game in the world even if you included Korea and sc ] its pretty laughable to think a skilled GunZ player is comparable to a valuable member of a big CS team. Are there even leagues for GunZ?
Also CS is a team game, but as an FPS you can still compare it to GunZ
compared to gunz not being a team game...?
you could be the best 1v1'r and drop everyone in sight but you'll still get torn apart in clan wars
Futhermore,
I don't have any reason to believe you were at all close to the competitive scene as GunZ now, and you havn't really given me any reason too. 3-4 years ago and u havn't touched the game ,
not that there's anything at all wrong with that. I'm the same way with Starcraft.
But to judge a game when you havn't touched it in 3-4 years...? pretty harsh
It would be like me saying oh i played CS, it's easy just awp everyone headshots camp dodeedo cake all u need do is aaaddd spam and aim CS is ez man.
if anyone comes close just spray an ak one headshot insta kill wow cs is ez man
obviously joking, but seriously don't judge a game you haven't played competitively; i'm not judging CS ; what right should you have judging GunZ
3-4 years ago the competitive scene was nowhere near what GunZ is today... barely even started competitively 4 years ago.
Also UT faster paced than Gunz...? 400 apm constantly? not really.
Camera angle speed =! game intensity and speed
if u truly want a fairly fast game in the sense of UT , play tremulous
the aliens move pretty quick
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So I can't judge a game that I've played? It would be different if I played for a very short period of time or none at all.
Before I even said it was easy I said it has been 3-4 years since I've played it. Also in my first response I said 3-4 years is definitely enough time to introduce big in-game changes.
I don't think anyone would take my comment as ' oh man this guy said its easy compared to other fps games, guess I'm gonna skip out on gunz '
I don't understand your comment about camera angle speed. Camera angle = mouse speed and that's a subjective setting. In GunZ you aren't shooting people through pixels in walls that only players who spend a lot of time playing know about. In games like UT and Quake you also don't have the RPG element where players who play longer generally have better equipment. To me, that kinda sucks for an fps because to accurately judge skill you shouldn't start out with different stuff.
Still waiting on a reply however if GunZ actually has leagues or sponsors for good teams...also what other fps you've played and at what level so I can try and understand what you're comparing your GunZ experience to.
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I looked up some game play videos on youtube, and it was a big turn down...
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On November 11 2008 10:36 Ack1027 wrote:
So I can't judge a game that I've played? It would be different if I played for a very short period of time or none at all.
Before I even said it was easy I said it has been 3-4 years since I've played it. Also in my first response I said 3-4 years is definitely enough time to introduce big in-game changes.
I don't think anyone would take my comment as ' oh man this guy said its easy compared to other fps games, guess I'm gonna skip out on gunz '
I don't understand your comment about camera angle speed. Camera angle = mouse speed and that's a subjective setting. In GunZ you aren't shooting people through pixels in walls that only players who spend a lot of time playing know about. In games like UT and Quake you also don't have the RPG element where players who play longer generally have better equipment. To me, that kinda sucks for an fps because to accurately judge skill you shouldn't start out with different stuff.
Still waiting on a reply however if GunZ actually has leagues or sponsors for good teams.
this is just pointless banter now
let's agree to disagree or whatever since obviously you're not changing your mind and i've not seen any proof for mine to be fazed
also camera angle is basically as fast as UT on GunZ when maxxed ( which everyone is)
clearly gunz is faster than UT in my opinion but oh well. can't agree on that apprantly (hence useless banter )
Also chill > cholera 2-0 :D rape
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On November 11 2008 10:43 Fishball wrote:
I looked up some game play videos on youtube, and it was a big turn down...
link? 
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On November 11 2008 10:48 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 10:43 Fishball wrote:
I looked up some game play videos on youtube, and it was a big turn down... link?
Any of the videos would work.
I just can't get myself to enjoy those graphics and cheesy movements.
To some people, gameplay might be everything, but that doesn't work for me.
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Useless banter?
So from a quick google search I get the following for GunZ Leagues:
http://egl.arc-focus.org/news.php - Closed due to inactivity
http://www.xfire.com/clans/tpgleague/ - ....?
http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f43/215046-gunzfactor_2008_winter_tournament_registration.html - tournament with 68 signed up teams.
Unless I'm totally missing some huge coverage or anything it seems like GunZ has tournaments but no stable leagues or sponsors with recognized teams.
To compare:
CS: Gotfrag.com, CAL, CEVO, CPL [ until recently ], DreamHack, Countless other European LANs, CGS [ TV airtime with players that have salary ]
Generally, this would be a moot point for someone trying to argue GunZ is easy but for someone like you who is trying to argue that GunZ is a difficult game it is relevant in showing that CS is a bigger game with more competition, hence more competitive. Generally games don't have players on salary if the games themselves are easy or do not have longevity. Obvious example: sc.
Also your opinion about GunZ speed may or may not be true, my point however is that speed does not make something harder or better necessarily.
Basically, I'm fairly certain the vast majority of gamers [ if you want to be more specific fps competitive players or competitive gamers ] would agree that GunZ is not a game that could be compared competitively to games like CS, Source, UT, Quake.
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Gunz wasn't bad when I played it at release and for a few weeks a year ago. Unfortunately, like most other 'level-up online rpg games' there is truly nothing to look forward except a slightly stronger version of your gun and some clothes (especially after the level 18 rifle that is quite buff for noob bashing.) A redeeming factor is that although you can use real cash for some armor, it does not gimp you severely like almost every other free cash-shop game.
There are some slight latency problems that result in you having to aim a little ahead and also in otherwise impossible double K.Os like C.S. that is comedic at first and simply annoying later.
You'll find that if you are decent at FPS games such as counter-strike, your skills will easily translate here as tumbling opponents will not dodge your awesome aiming skills. Tumbling, in case you didn't know, is a simple BARREL ROLL in a direction by tapping that direction twice. If you look into advanced techniques, you'll find that only noobs do this.
Once you learn some advanced techniques its a deathmatch curb stomp unless you have the dedication to get to level 30+ even though there is nothing for you there itemwise, I suppose harder opponents are more fun but still. I find that most of the time I spent dying was because I used all my ammo and had to resort to using a sword, not my greatest strength but decent enough for noob bashing.
Later on, as I got to higher levels and noob bashing became slightly harder, I started to abuse camera angles present in 3rd person shooter games in levels such as Mansion and camp so that as people came I would pop out of pillars for .1 second and give them a nice cup of shotgun to the face. 95% of people would spam pointlessly at the pillar you are hiding behind where u can give them some more shotgun shots to their face for easy kills. For the smarter people I would slashshot away if I am not confident in killing them or go for a sneeky kill.
The only difficult part of the game personally was sword only duels.
LoL at the guy who said this game is a hard FIRST person shooter.
To conclude, I'd have to say that its fun but has not much replay value, or at least not as much as I would have liked to keep me playing. It is very nice for the price of Free but once boredom sets in you will most likely not play this game again for a while.
I don't believe there are any leagues either. I can see GunZ being slightly better as a competitive standard compared to WoW
To Conclude, it's a game you'll most likely enjoy the first few weeks you play with your friends or even teamliquid dudes but the interest will most likely not last.
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Also your opinion about GunZ speed may or may not be true, my point however is that speed does not make something harder or better necessarily.
faster = harder
only question is how much
And likewise just because a game sold out doesn't mean it's harder than the rest of them
quite the opposite actually, most games that are endorsed have more aesthetic appeal than gameplay if you see what i'm getting at.
YET again i cannot judge because i don't play CS on that level, likewise you can't judge GunZ
That's just the point I'm making.
Tbh, the only way to get real "sponsorship" is to move to korea
NA CW is basically iCCup for GunZ.
Basically, I'm fairly certain the vast majority of gamers [ if you want to be more specific fps competitive players or competitive gamers ] would agree that GunZ is not a game that could be compared competitively to games like CS, Source, UT, Quake.
I don't see the difference between Street basketball and professional basketball
Lets say for example GunZ is street basketball and CS is professional.
they could considerably have the same talented players, but CS takes it another level because you could actually play all day and make a living, whereas people who play gunZ have a day job.
So likewise, Yes. CS and gunZ can't be compared on that level of competition, but likewise i don't think i ever denied that
I was arguing the difficulty of the game - it's not easy like you previously stated.
that's it.
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LoL at the guy who said this game is a hard FIRST person shooter.
Just writes off how little you know about GunZ
It's all aim in the end.
All your little sword tricks only help you dodge and even then tactics and smart team orienated playing > flying around like chuck norris; you'll just get shot down ez
Please play the game competitively instead of just playing noobs and thinking that's what GunZ is
Starcraft isn't fastest.
GunZ isn't glitchy swordplay.
To Conclude, it's a game you'll most likely enjoy the first few weeks you play with your friends or even teamliquid dudes but the interest will most likely not last....[ if you aren't capable of playing the game at a high level]
...fixed
It's a competitive game.
Gunz wasn't bad when I played it at release and for a few weeks a year ago. Unfortunately, like most other 'level-up online rpg games' there is truly nothing to look forward except a slightly stronger version of your gun and some clothes (especially after the level 18 rifle that is quite buff for noob bashing.) A redeeming factor is that although you can use real cash for some armor, it does not gimp you severely like almost every other free cash-shop game.
It's not even an mmorpg
It's an FPS
Levels make barely any difference against an adapt player
a first time player that gets a level 60 will still get 100% rolled by a level 1 skilled player - or even moderate player.
whereas in any other "mmorpg" the level 1 will be like rofl 1 dmg 1dmg level 60.. oh this is how you attack *smash*
It's not even comparible to "mmorpg" ; it's blatantly obvious "GunZ" <-- is an FPS.
Later on, as I got to higher levels and noob bashing became slightly harder, I started to abuse camera angles present in 3rd person shooter games in levels such as Mansion and camp so that as people came I would pop out of pillars for .1 second and give them a nice cup of shotgun to the face. 95% of people would spam pointlessly at the pillar you are hiding behind where u can give them some more shotgun shots to their face for easy kills. For the smarter people I would slashshot away if I am not confident in killing them or go for a sneeky kill.
this is worse than iccup abusing - it's VGT abusing.
Jesus christ no one who reads this thread take this guys seriously- he has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about.
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while i appreciate heavonearth attempts to defend gunz, a lot of the stuff you say makes no sense (then again, same goes for the people you're arguing against.. maybe you're trying to give them a taste of their own medicine?  )
and fwiw, the whole point of leagues is moot. there are plenty of amazing games that never had wide league support -- that doesn't make them any less of a good game. it's an issue of advertising, and of being seen as valuable for sponsors, not players. that's all.
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anyone wanna teach me to use swords?
Xyric on Gunz
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On November 11 2008 12:37 JeeJee wrote:while i appreciate heavonearth attempts to defend gunz, a lot of the stuff you say makes no sense (then again, same goes for the people you're arguing against.. maybe you're trying to give them a taste of their own medicine? ) and fwiw, the whole point of leagues is moot. there are plenty of amazing games that never had wide league support -- that doesn't make them any less of a good game. it's an issue of advertising, and of being seen as valuable for sponsors, not players. that's all.
Well, I'm done trying to debate with him, but the league point is not moot imo.
Name one of these 'plenty of amazing games' which in this context would be an FPS game that never had wide league support. I'm curious.
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This game isn't a 1st person shooter. Its 3rd person
How am I VGT Abusing whatever that is? All I do is use the environment around me to my advantage. It's similar to CS where people can camp but people who are better than the camper can easily kill them or find a way around it. Iccup abusing is way worse with people who lag disconnect, leave the game when they get their geyser stolen, etc.
YES THAT DEFINITELY IS FROM A FIRST PERSON POINT OF VIEW
Also, this game has the lamest music ever with women trying to sing opera. Imagine your mom trying to sing opera and you have some of the game's track music right there.
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I think i turned off the game music after about a minute of listening
and Ok,jesus christ it's a third person shooter,
for whatever reason you're putting that out there i don't know the relevance for your argument but alright?
it was the most irrelevant technicality u could point out
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On November 11 2008 12:37 JeeJee wrote:while i appreciate heavonearth attempts to defend gunz, a lot of the stuff you say makes no sense (then again, same goes for the people you're arguing against.. maybe you're trying to give them a taste of their own medicine? ) and fwiw, the whole point of leagues is moot. there are plenty of amazing games that never had wide league support -- that doesn't make them any less of a good game. it's an issue of advertising, and of being seen as valuable for sponsors, not players. that's all.
oh idk what i'm doing i'm just bored from studying for physics / calculus and debating over a game is pretty amusing
i think i'm losing horribly though
they're teaming against me!
although like half the points i made weren't even answered so i guess that means im in the clear! woohoo
i wonder if anyone is going to want to play gunz anymore lol
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On November 11 2008 14:02 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I think i turned off the game music after about a minute of listening
and Ok,jesus christ it's a third person shooter,
for whatever reason you're putting that out there i don't know the relevance for your argument but alright?
it was the most irrelevant technicality u could point out
I say:
LoL at the guy who said this game is a hard FIRST person shooter.
Notice that I emphasized FIRST, maybe I should have bolded, italicized, underlined the FIRST. I say this so people who read this topic won't think it is a CS clone but instead a 3rd person shooter.
So you respond:
Just writes off how little you know about GunZ
It's all aim in the end.
All your little sword tricks only help you dodge and even then tactics and smart team orienated playing > flying around like chuck norris; you'll just get shot down ez
No I am saying it isn't a first person shooter because it isn't a first person shooter. I thought it was silly so I just pointed it out that it's third person. Hard or easy whatever, any game has obvious skill gaps and I'm sure GunZ is no exception (perhaps the top .0000000000000001 % or Korean players) but that's not the argument I'm trying to make. I never ever tried to argue with you ever before anyways I was just pointing out my personal review of GunZ at a non-competitive level and how easy it is to noob bash.
These people who are playing, I doubt 99.99% of the people who visit this topic will end up going top competitive or even amateur leagues anyways. What I am saying is relevant because that is what most of these people who play this game will end up facing. Easy deathmatch bashing if they have any decent FPS experience, followed by boredom since there is nothing to look forward to really with more levels besides better armor and guns that become a little better by level, unless they go competitive or have a MASSIVE HARDON for this game.
.... Yeah.
My opinion stays that most people who play this will enjoy it for a few weeks or perhaps up to a month before getting bored. It has the mechanisms for a competitive game yet it has no means of real competition with failure North American leagues and Clan Wars for enlarging your e-elongation.
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how about we dont play GunZ and go to a club and have a couple drinks.... or ten, and play with real gunz. how bout dat?
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On November 11 2008 06:13 Ki_Do wrote:
i can teach the moves for those who dont know
butterfly
double butterfly
half step
half half step
quickmed
flash step
ik
I never figured out how to half-step. I just made do with butterfly/slash-shoot/flash-step.
Also, gunz is not easy oO The difference from the worst players to the best players is similar to that of sc, but the difference from people who know the basics of k-style and the best players is a lot smaller than those who know the basics of sc and the best. But, mastering all of the correct keystrokes and proper timing for all the moves, knowing when and how to use each one, on top of accuracy and game sense (knowing where people and things are in the game/map), all add up to create a lot of things you have to worry about, making the game fairly challenging. For those saying gunz is easy, that's like saying sc is easy when you just play iccup at C- level. If you're like the best gunz player ever, then fine you can say it's easy, but I don't see iloveoov coming out and saying sc is easy.
So, Ijji gunz, sever/channel? Time?
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i disagree to teh oone who said u dont need to learn k style
no sprayer or even "goodaimer" can beat a good kstyle player
also the skill gap in gunz is pretty big, with time the mechanics will increase cause there are many tricks to be discovered and some tricks require pretty awesome timing, thats why some say that insta isnt worth( pretty hard to do but still a pimp)
dbf btw is awesome and pretty imba
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I used to play it alot, I think I last played about ½ year ago.
I probably suck at it nowadays, though you can pretty much get lucky with RS spam dependless of opponents skill level, if the area is open enough.
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My opinion stays that most people who play this will enjoy it for a few weeks or perhaps up to a month before getting bored. It has the mechanisms for a competitive game yet it has no means of real competition with failure North American leagues and Clan Wars for enlarging your e-elongation.
i don't see scbw in the US getting massive sponsorship, you going to write that game off as no real competition too?
"Zomg im gonna camp noobs all day ...ahh shit all these other guys are raping me cause i've never tried to get any better, better write the game off as boring and uncompetitive blubber blubber blubber"
( it took you a month to get bored of that? )
just because you haven't tried getting into the competition due to your own lack of effort
doesn't mean its the same for everyone
There's hundreds of people on NA CW ; all high skilled with constant games (albeit around 4am people fall asleep) ; i don't see this "lack of competition" - there's plenty.
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On November 11 2008 21:54 -slo.m1ke- wrote:
gunz suck
at least give a reason? ... i don't even think anyone has argued that it sucks outright so you're out there all alone on that one
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Oh shit~ I used to play this game for a couple years. I might download and start playing again. Someone needs to teach you children who your daddy is o___o;;
No but seriously, this game is so fucking fun (and I was pretty good at it back then so I might be able to pick it back up easily).
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oh god, I used to love this game. It's been so long that I forgot almost all of my kstyle moves though I think, ah well.
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Hey guys, I got it installed on my comp, but whenever i try to open it, it just opens up internet explorer to the ijji page. Any help?
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I dont get why you are trying to bash the game, all games are easy on pub level -_-
im not sure if its still there, but there was a pro level in korea a while ago...I stopped following gunz awhile back. Very high skill level + teamwork
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On November 11 2008 21:48 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +
My opinion stays that most people who play this will enjoy it for a few weeks or perhaps up to a month before getting bored. It has the mechanisms for a competitive game yet it has no means of real competition with failure North American leagues and Clan Wars for enlarging your e-elongation.
i don't see scbw in the US getting massive sponsorship, you going to write that game off as no real competition too? "Zomg im gonna camp noobs all day ...ahh shit all these other guys are raping me cause i've never tried to get any better, better write the game off as boring and uncompetitive blubber blubber blubber" ( it took you a month to get bored of that? ) just because you haven't tried getting into the competition due to your own lack of effort doesn't mean its the same for everyone There's hundreds of people on NA CW ; all high skilled with constant games (albeit around 4am people fall asleep) ; i don't see this "lack of competition" - there's plenty.
better than GunZ
I might go download this later so all of the haters can noob bash me then. All I need later is Ventrilo so I can camp with 3 other people with shotguns in a room
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On November 11 2008 12:43 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 12:37 JeeJee wrote:while i appreciate heavonearth attempts to defend gunz, a lot of the stuff you say makes no sense (then again, same goes for the people you're arguing against.. maybe you're trying to give them a taste of their own medicine? ) and fwiw, the whole point of leagues is moot. there are plenty of amazing games that never had wide league support -- that doesn't make them any less of a good game. it's an issue of advertising, and of being seen as valuable for sponsors, not players. that's all. Well, I'm done trying to debate with him, but the league point is not moot imo. Name one of these 'plenty of amazing games' which in this context would be an FPS game that never had wide league support. I'm curious.
no actually, in this context it would be ANY competition-based game that never had wide sponsor/league support. Just to clarify: this is because you're judging the competitiveness of the game based on how many sponsored teams/leagues there are for it -- which in and of itself is absolutely stupid. anyone but the most naive gamer realizes that games get sponsored not based on whether they are good games, but whether they have value for the sponsor. Obviously as a result, totally crappy games (in terms of gameplay) get sponsored: see the recent WCG games, and good games might not.
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On November 12 2008 02:20 In)Spire wrote:
Hey guys, I got it installed on my comp, but whenever i try to open it, it just opens up internet explorer to the ijji page. Any help?
You need to log in into ijji, and from the ijji website click "Star Game" or something like that, then it will autolaunch 
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Just downloaded it right now
If the competition is as good as you say
Edit: I joined a room and suddenly my character starts spinning in rapid 360s
I fixed this by unplugging my gamepad. This information might be helpful
I got to level 5
my name is Appieseed (the i is a capital i)
I say we get a teamliquid clan going ogogogogog
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On November 12 2008 08:01 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 02:20 In)Spire wrote:
Hey guys, I got it installed on my comp, but whenever i try to open it, it just opens up internet explorer to the ijji page. Any help? You need to log in into ijji, and from the ijji website click "Star Game" or something like that, then it will autolaunch
 Thanks a lot ITW!
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You guys should do a list of people playing on page 1.
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i guess we should all decide on a server to play.
Quest 1 sound good? NA CW is a bit hard and match 1 is pretty empty
Quest is relatively full so it might take about a minute to log in.
Otherwise We could make a teamliquid clan, sure.
Need 4 people to make it so once we get 4 people confirmed wanting to play we'll set dates n time or just pm on tl
List:
(TL account, followed by gunz account/level)
IntoTheWow
HeavOnEarth - Kerpwnt level 61
In)Spire
SaveYourSavior - Appieseed level 5~
Valentine
imperfect
HotZhot
Sorry if i missed anyone, PM'd for updation of OP
Any suggestions for Gaming time?
I'm probably available anytime between 5-10 PM CET (Texas)
but i'll only be able to play for about an hour
otherwise i could just teach people moves while doing some hw
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jeejee - cordless - 50something? i forget
i'm gonna go play for 30min or so now, i'll see if i still remember how to do anything lol
edit: damn updating.. big update too T_T
edit2: oh! i found this insta video i made before i quit gunz
at least back when it was made they were new.. probably old now lol
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=REaD7Z7PwiY
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On November 12 2008 07:39 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 12:43 Ack1027 wrote:On November 11 2008 12:37 JeeJee wrote:while i appreciate heavonearth attempts to defend gunz, a lot of the stuff you say makes no sense (then again, same goes for the people you're arguing against.. maybe you're trying to give them a taste of their own medicine? ) and fwiw, the whole point of leagues is moot. there are plenty of amazing games that never had wide league support -- that doesn't make them any less of a good game. it's an issue of advertising, and of being seen as valuable for sponsors, not players. that's all. Well, I'm done trying to debate with him, but the league point is not moot imo. Name one of these 'plenty of amazing games' which in this context would be an FPS game that never had wide league support. I'm curious. no actually, in this context it would be ANY competition-based game that never had wide sponsor/league support. Just to clarify: this is because you're judging the competitiveness of the game based on how many sponsored teams/leagues there are for it -- which in and of itself is absolutely stupid. anyone but the most naive gamer realizes that games get sponsored not based on whether they are good games, but whether they have value for the sponsor. Obviously as a result, totally crappy games (in terms of gameplay) get sponsored: see the recent WCG games, and good games might not.
I didn't ask you for games that were bad but got sponsored, such as the WCG games, nor did I argue that the competitiveness of a game is based on how many sponsored or league/teams there are. What I am arguing is not absolutely stupid. Games that are good/harder will have a huge community behind them, aka sc and cs. I can't find any number for GunZ players but I can be fairly certain its nowhere near any of the other competetive FPS games. This mean general and competetive player populations.
Name one game good FPS competition based game that never got wide sponsor/league support.
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GunZ ! :D
Mainstream music isn't the "best" , it makes the most money and is advertised very well, but i'd still listen to underground bands and metal all day rather than switch my radio on for anything other than the wake up alarm in the morning.
Likewise FPS mainstream games , like music most are worn away by money and glamour IE halo
but a select few rise to the top , let's assume CS as an example.
Sure, i respect CS granted i've never played it as intensely to judge , and i'll give it the benefit of the doubt although the game felt really slow in my hands in prior hands.
I'd still listen to underground music and metal over mainstream stuff any time.
New metallica?
nah gimme the black album
CS?
ill stick to GunZ
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uh.
nor did I argue that the competitiveness of a game is based on how many sponsored or league/teams there are.
cough
You pay once for cs, its not a subscription. A good competitive game [ aka gameplay ] will draw players. If you compare GunZ to CS+CS:Source [ the most popular multiplayer game in the world even if you included Korea and sc ] its pretty laughable to think a skilled GunZ player is comparable to a valuable member of a big CS team. Are there even leagues for GunZ?
What I am arguing is not absolutely stupid. Games that are good/harder will have a huge community behind them, aka sc and cs.
except that's not what you're arguing. you're arguing that games that are good will have huge sponsors/leagues available to them
anyway, please define to me what you consider as 'wide' league/sponsor support. because i would argue that neither the old unreals nor the old quakes had it, yet they were fucking awesome.
moreover i still dont see why you're restricting it to fps only when it's clearly not a genre-specific point. and if it is, then did you miss the fact that gunz isnt an fps.
anyway, AoX anyone?
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What's AoX
googled brought up either
Armies of Exigo
Army of Xena
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On November 12 2008 11:07 HeavOnEarth wrote:
What's AoX
googled brought up either
Armies of Exigo
Army of Xena
the first one
by the way my update just finished. i can play for a lil bit if you're up for it, heavonearth
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On November 12 2008 11:04 JeeJee wrote:uh. Show nested quote +nor did I argue that the competitiveness of a game is based on how many sponsored or league/teams there are. cough Show nested quote +You pay once for cs, its not a subscription. A good competitive game [ aka gameplay ] will draw players. If you compare GunZ to CS+CS:Source [ the most popular multiplayer game in the world even if you included Korea and sc ] its pretty laughable to think a skilled GunZ player is comparable to a valuable member of a big CS team. Are there even leagues for GunZ? Show nested quote +What I am arguing is not absolutely stupid. Games that are good/harder will have a huge community behind them, aka sc and cs. except that's not what you're arguing. you're arguing that games that are good will have huge sponsors/leagues available to them anyway, please define to me what you consider as 'wide' league/sponsor support. because i would argue that neither the old unreals nor the old quakes had it, yet they were fucking awesome. moreover i still dont see why you're restricting it to fps only when it's clearly not a genre-specific point. and if it is, then did you miss the fact that gunz isnt an fps. anyway, AoX anyone?
...? I still don't get it. I'm arguing that one of the qualities of a good competitive game is large player/higher skilled player competition base. That's one of the qualities that makes a game competitive. GunZ can be described as an FPS, so don't know why you made that point. I've played the game as apparent from my other posts I know its not purely FPS.
There's no sponsored teams and wide league support such as for games like super smash brothers, cs, sc, dota, war3, etc....These games have teams that play consistently, meaning annually at a big lan or through leagues. GunZ is an inferior competitive game in my book, and one way of looking at it is through its laughable competitive population. This is the last post I'll make since we have a lot of conflict on definitions.
Bottom line is GunZ is fun with friends, it has competition potential it has its own sub-skillsets that are extremely difficult, but its not anything like the big games. Don't try to make GunZ something it isn't.
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On November 12 2008 11:12 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 11:04 JeeJee wrote:uh. nor did I argue that the competitiveness of a game is based on how many sponsored or league/teams there are. cough You pay once for cs, its not a subscription. A good competitive game [ aka gameplay ] will draw players. If you compare GunZ to CS+CS:Source [ the most popular multiplayer game in the world even if you included Korea and sc ] its pretty laughable to think a skilled GunZ player is comparable to a valuable member of a big CS team. Are there even leagues for GunZ? What I am arguing is not absolutely stupid. Games that are good/harder will have a huge community behind them, aka sc and cs. except that's not what you're arguing. you're arguing that games that are good will have huge sponsors/leagues available to them anyway, please define to me what you consider as 'wide' league/sponsor support. because i would argue that neither the old unreals nor the old quakes had it, yet they were fucking awesome. moreover i still dont see why you're restricting it to fps only when it's clearly not a genre-specific point. and if it is, then did you miss the fact that gunz isnt an fps. anyway, AoX anyone? ...? I still don't get it. I'm arguing that one of the qualities of a good competitive game is large player/higher skilled player competition base. That's one of the qualities that makes a game competitive. GunZ can be described as an FPS, so don't know why you made that point. I've played the game as apparent from my other posts I know its not purely FPS. There's no sponsored teams and wide league support such as for games like super smash brothers, cs, sc, dota, war3, etc....These games have teams that play consistently, meaning annually at a big lan or through leagues. GunZ is an inferior competitive game in my book, and one way of looking at it is through its laughable competitive population. This is the last post I'll make since we have a lot of conflict on definitions. Bottom line is GunZ is fun with friends, it has competition potential it has its own sub-skillsets that are extremely difficult, but its not anything like the big games. Don't try to make GunZ something it isn't.
ok, i guess the main argument here is the definition of competitiveness. you seem to imply the major factor is popularity whereas i think it is gameplay. i guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
edit: by the way im on quest3 for a bit if anyone wants to play. ill be in channel teamliquid, and in chatroom TL (/chatjoin TL, type using @), also you can msg cordless
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ill be on quest 3 as well
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females are so imba. I got my male character to level 30 when i decided to make a female one. allows butterflies to be easier.
basically, females are faster
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I'm on as IntoTheWow or IntoTheRain
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On November 12 2008 11:34 omfghi2u2 wrote:
females are so imba. I got my male character to level 30 when i decided to make a female one. allows butterflies to be easier.
basically, females are faster
actually they just look nicer. in terms of actual gameplay mechanics, males are superior in every aspect from spray to certain moves that females simply cannot do
everyone still plays females though lol
anyway gf's heavonearth, 'twas fun. ill play again tomorrow for a lil bit if anyone wants to. probably around same time as this
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ok.. our team liquid meeting zone is then officially quest 3?
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Id say cs 1.6 is harder than gunz. I have a killer headache right now so ill probably edit later and make a more complete response.
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On November 12 2008 12:05 SaveYourSavior wrote:
ok.. our team liquid meeting zone is then officially quest 3?
alright quest 3 priv. channel teamliquid and chatroom is TL
type /chatjoin TL or whisper kerpwnt or join the channel!
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On November 12 2008 12:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
What exactly is k-style?
stands for korean style
basically fast movement using sword to dodge bullets while combining them with a fast shot for greatest dmg output/evasion generally shotguns or pistols
in other words while you're moving and dodging you pick opportune moments to let out a shot
typically you won't see k stylers with rifles sprayer weps etc.
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thanks guys for taking the time to teach me cute tricks :D
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Yeah well, K-Styling needs low ping usually, if not it's really hard but basically you are calm and defensive while looking for wholes to burst damage.
1v1 K-Style is not very fun. But some K-Stylers vs pubs is SO fun.
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aaaah intothewow
heretic
kstyle 1v1 is fun
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kstyle 1v1 is dumb from the players view and from the spectator view
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=/
but...
4V4 tdm Town Kstylers only...
do u have any objection =)
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nono 3v3 4v4 5v5 those are fun to watch.
It's just 1v1 is a perma BF snore fest.
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On November 13 2008 00:14 IntoTheWow wrote:
nono 3v3 4v4 5v5 those are fun to watch.
It's just 1v1 is a perma BF snore fest.
???
i can't think of a single mode that would make this happen. you'd die spamming butterfly step if you're using guns+swords, and you'd die spamming it if you're playing swords-only
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Well what I see in high level rooms is -> 1v1, salute start and going at each other.
Unless it's on super low pings, usually people get their first magazines consumed, and then one reloads and the other chases with bfs so he can't reload and tries to kill him OR both bf at each other or both reload.
Repeat until its not fun anymore. In team fights there's usually people ganging up on one which tries to escape to receive less damage or block or fly around. Positioning before fights is more important and you can heal because you don't always find the other team directly in the map.
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tbh 1v1 was played to show the best player
its thus from Korean vs AryaVarwin
Tiberio vs Tokoshiro
etcetera
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On November 13 2008 08:38 Ki_Do wrote:
tbh 1v1 was played to show the best player
its thus from Korean vs AryaVarwin
Tiberio vs Tokoshiro
etcetera
lol, igunz much...
but the game isnt that fun anymore compared too 2 years ago, too much ego involved, the community is bad as i dont know and the new gen play style sucks too.
but yeah, i do play it once in a while...
Kingdom / ¢reamSoda is my ign ^^
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i think i remember creamsoda from igunz.. or maybe it was some other cream with that weird c.
'twas too long ago ;(
edit: who are tiberio and tokoshiro? i assume some new 'pros' o-O
the only similar name to those that i remember is toshiharu or something lol
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my apm in gunz is most definitely higher than mine in sc XD!! its probably around 300 on gunz and like 150 on sc, mostly because im quite good at gunz and i suck at sc
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cough
ill be online for 30min starting now! =o /chatjoin TL on quest3
edit: holy crap another update
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On November 13 2008 09:47 jhk82094 wrote:my apm in gunz is most definitely higher than mine in sc XD!! its probably around 300 on gunz and like 150 on sc, mostly because im quite good at gunz and i suck at sc
yeah im like basically 200 apm with about 150 eapm on sc but gunz its like whoo 400 apm +
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my cowardly tactics prevail in 1v1 situations
edit: i was typing something here but I'll fill it in later
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woah I had no idea when I made the OP that GunZ had such a big following here on tl.net ^^
I'm going to update the OP with a list of active players as well as the channel to which we shall make our own!
If you want to be included on the list, just leave your ID-tag here
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I've been having trouble making an account, but I just tried again now and I've made an account.
I'll post my user stuff later after class.
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Oh, add me to the OP list, I use prOmdate.
I got my old GunZ account and I'm level 23 I think but I don't even remember how to bf, haha. If anyone wants to do some "training" or something, just like a 1:1 and try to get my moves right etc. then msg me :D
I'll be playing on Q3 I guess.
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GunZ ---> CW + ego all day = epic fun =]
its epic fun pissing ppl off with epic ego and its epic fun when ppl go ''pro'' at everything you do and you gain more ego to ego ppl with and they ego you back but ur ego pwns theres, ego ego ego =D, if you want to play GunZ its so like learn K style and how to ego and your set for life =]
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k, my IGN is Not_Computer (yeah, so original)
I'm a total noob so I'm just gonna go around getting myself owned.
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On November 14 2008 06:32 VyzhiS wrote:
GunZ ---> CW + ego all day = epic fun =]
its epic fun pissing ppl off with epic ego and its epic fun when ppl go ''pro'' at everything you do and you gain more ego to ego ppl with and they ego you back but ur ego pwns theres, ego ego ego =D, if you want to play GunZ its so like learn K style and how to ego and your set for life =]
or you could be nice and happy to everyone!
+ Show Spoiler +
Also if anyone wants to make a clan or play/ i'll be on Q3 ; probably idle most of the time but if u need help/ want a game just ask i'll just be sitting there doing physics hw
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I'm in there now if anyone wants to rumble. I think I'm level 6?
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Ok, I'll hop on right now and play for 30 minutes for Yankee League on BW.
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making bounty is so tedious... i haven't bought a single item yet and i still i can't afford anything
i'm level 5 now! still getting owned
gonna log off it for now though
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appieseed- now level 15
How to own laggers in deathmatches:
Be sure to hold tab and look at the pings of your opponent. Your shots won't register even though the game says "hit" if the ping is high enough because to your opponent's body, the shot whiffed where their body used to be (IF THEY ARE STRAFING or walking in a direction perpendicular to you). If you are confused, simply shoot a little ahead of them if their ping is roughly 100-150, + a body length per 100 ping. In doing so, you can kill players with high ping and get hits by aiming a little ahead of where they are currently at. Suddenly you find that you can kill people with 4,5 shots from dual revolvers when you aim slightly ahead of laggers/semi-laggers. Your kills should skyrocket if you can aim easily.
DISCLAIMER:
The stuff I just typed above is legitimate advice for everybody that will greatly help your performance no matter how they play, but the below is the cheesy, disgusting way I play this game. If you are offended when you win and are scared shitless to be called a noob then disregard the following:
Be shady:
Mansion is the easiest map for farming kills
On the bottom back (around yellow ammo spawn) are places where you can shoot down hallways where people usually are, hiding behind columns in multiple areas.
If people are far away and you have an automatic, burst fire (not sure about automatic pistols), if you have revolvers, even better.
If people are unto you and try to hunt you down, abuse the 3rd person view to go around the pillar at the same time as the person chasing you is circling that pillar. Once they do 1 full 360, they will think you disappeared (ZOMG) and then go on their way where you can shoot them up the butt.
In a way I play this game like CS, using walls and the environment to my advantage and with the
3rd person angle, I can "cheat" with a view that is impossible in 1st person. The only part missing from CS compared to Gunz is that you sadly cannot shoot them through walls for hilarity. I do this so that I can kill more efficiently, level up more efficently, and get better gear for even more efficency.
Battling noob-to decent k-stylers:
If you have the environment to hide around, simply go behind a pillar and pop out a second and shoot them then hide
No environment? Learn basic k-styling. I use the side dash (press a or d twice with sword out, slash while side dashing and switch to shotgun to blast them. This way you can fight on semi equal grounds. Once you fight these people enough you will figure out where to aim with shotgun and then even the dual revolvers, which require precision shots for great amounts of damage.
If there is a butterflyer up in your grill, take your sword out and slashshot or butterfly and then quickly dash away when they block. If you do it fast enough you won't get the delay from blocking due to the glitchy game. For some weird reason the butterflyer gets his sword charged (not always) and his or her next slash will result in a power strike. If you dashed away , the butterfly will smack the air and then be still for enough time for you to give him the shotgun blast to the face. You can also run away while slashshotting( the technique I just taught you) so that the sword user will eventually die unless he decides to use a gun or you run out of ammo.
Admittedly, sword techniques are the weakest part of my game.
Just remember that your aim and prediction in my opinion is the most important part. Shooting ahead due to the weird way latency is made is so important especially since even though it is a north american server, many people from other continents oddly still play.
My preferred route of guns to buy:
Pick a character with dual walcom sub machine guns. The Sub machines are forgiving of slightly bad aim but later on you'll see that the other guns are better (imo).
At level 5: buy either Breaker 3 shotgun or the Nico rifle. If you want, buy both. I recommend learning basic K-Styling for shotgun usage here. The Nico rifle you'll find is very accurate, perhaps a bit too accurate. You must aim ahead for laggers or they will take minimal damage. The rifles shine more in mid, long range especially if you are behind a person walking forward or backwards. People say you should burst for the recoil. If you burst, you are more accurate but you deal damage less and might get kill stolen (or fail to kill steal. keke). If you don't burst and instead spray, you waste more bullets but hit more (and kill more). I prefer the latter.
level 10: Breaker 4 is avaiable and instead of 3 shots there are 5 but the damage is the same... I prefer to simply buy Breaker 5 later on at level 15. I buy the level 10 rifle here.
Level 12: (optional) Dual Revolvers ( i forget their name, i believe they do 40 damage a pop). These are in my opinion at least the 1st or 2nd best type of guns in the game. The ability to snipe enemies with these far away is too good and you'll find that with headshots ( not as deadly as you'd think they are) people die even though they have a chunk of their armor left. Even at close range they are powerful if you learn to aim ahead. Great for my camping, sniper style.
Level 15: Breaker 5 is available. I highly suggest an upgrade. Shotguns are awesome along with Pistols. You could get the level 15 rifle but..
Level 18: This rifle shoots fucking fast and is even more accurate then the previous versions. Many people both noobs and pros alike love this gun for its sheer damage and fire rate. If you do not like shotguns or revolvers, this is the gun to get definitely.
Other guns you may see: Rocket launcher - great for K-styling and great for splashing laggers. I do not like it however, try it out for yourself before you judge. Dual pistols (NOT REVOLVERS)- i'd rather use something else.
Rings: I suggest getting HP rings rather than Armor.
Armor: Just buy the sets as they come.. level 10, level 20, etc.
Later on you'll find that there is a problem with having too heavy gear on a character. Just to let you know~
Melee Weapon: Use either a sword or a dagger. Dual swords are way too heavy, even though they slash faster than a sword, they are even weaker.. be sure to learn the respective techniques for a sword or a dagger.
I quit around level 24~ due to boredom. But still.. after 18 you should know what to get.
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^butterfly spammer's sword gets charged cuz u slash him while he's blocking
u can't dash while blocking actually
if u just dont want to be hit by massives, technique called skyblock where u look all the way up & block when massive lands = you won't get hit by any massive except skybreak (they look up & massive). if u find people that do that, then u can groundblock, 45deg dodge (luck) or try not to get hit in the first place
usually just reflex skyblock every time a massive is going to land will be good enough for a while so u wont be getting hit
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On November 14 2008 12:40 JeeJee wrote:
^butterfly spammer's sword gets charged cuz u slash him while he's blocking
u can't dash while blocking actually
if u just dont want to be hit by massives, technique called skyblock where u look all the way up & block when massive lands = you won't get hit by any massive except skybreak (they look up & massive). if u find people that do that, then u can groundblock, 45deg dodge (luck) or try not to get hit in the first place
usually just reflex skyblock every time a massive is going to land will be good enough for a while so u wont be getting hit
oh i wasn't being clear there. What I do is as soon as I block I let go and immediately dash away. Yep.
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by the way i have a problem with your 'use either sword or dagger'
i used kodas for a long long time
they fucking rule
u can slash so fast t-t
you know the animation on the wall you get from a slash that lasts about 0.5 sec?
kodas can land 3 hits before the animation is over =o!
and u used to be able to float with them, it was quite fun.
oh and if you want to use a dagger, roll a male. you'd think it doesn't matter, but for dstyle it does
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ill be on for a bit if anyone wants to
on kerpwnt quest 3
tpe /chatjoin TL then use @ to chat or
/w kerpwnt
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http://seventhstring.com/metronome/metronome.html
above is a link to an online metranome.. open it while ur playing gunz.
I can tbf up to 229 bpm, but 230 is impossible. use this to perfect your slashing speed. this if for CORE gunz players only. I still play, msg me!!!!
Jamesling on Quest East 1
I have one of the fastest tbfs on the server. Qbf is impossible, only possible on ledges.
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