The Official Fighting Games Topic - Page 5

don't taunt Vanao!
I was impressed by the last part of the 2nd round, when Vanao launches 2 consecutives denijn hadouken. Didn't know it was possible to charge energy so fast and build Ken's stun meter too.

His worst was Necro, and his 2nd-worst was Makoto O_O. After I found that out, I actually played with Ken for the rest of the night T___T;;.

First I wanted to introduce the reversal system which could be somewhat complex and a bit challenging to master but once you get it down things begin to get really interesting. Here is a link to the combat basics: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/d/deadoralive4/20060105-combatstrategy.htm
And an example vid with some good use of the reversals(Most of the vids I will post in here aren't the best quality I know the game is fast but it could be the just the way they were recorded): (Good example of the countering at 0:20 seconds)

For anyone really interested in getting into Dead or Alive 4 here are some tips:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/d/deadoralive4/20060116-survivaltips.htm

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sorwah

Just like any 3d or 2d fighter, after you throw a move but whiff or are blocked you cannot throw a move right away for a certain number of frames. In DOA4 a throw is very fast (usually) and also can't be counter held. Most throws go out at about 10-15 frames, this means that any string or move that ends in a -10 frame disadvantage or more can be throw punished on block. Generaly speaking the ability to recoginize and capitalize throw chances are what seperates ok players from good ones. The best throw to use to punish -15 or more for hayate is df df thrw, and for regular -10 to -13 situations just f thrw. if you totaly read the guy you are playing you can be tricky and go for the most beastly command throw in DOA.... the Raijin. here's a video to show how it's done:

Most moves in DOA4 are actualy a string of moves in a set sequence, the simplest for any char is usually PPP, or the jab string. In hayate's case this hits high high mid. the first two punches are a great poke, and you can quickly cancel the string by pressing free (thus breaking the string). this technique is called free canceling and is used often at high level in order to make countering harder and avoiding the large disadvantage at the end of many strings.

Another strong poke is fP. this is a mid hit which stuns on counter hit, and if you do land it on counter you can imediately go into a launcher/throw mixup.

and one more workhorse string is P,dK,K, which hits high low low. Which can be mixed up with P, dK, F, dTHRW. which catches anyone trying to anticipate the end of the string above but also ducks under any highs if they try to throw/jab.

there's a ton others but i use those three most in my poke game.
no good vid to illustrate this...i should make one ;p

Juggles are very important in DOA4 since you can't counter hold if you are mid air. This means any juggle you do is 100% safe once they are launched. Most launchers only throw the foe in the air if you hit on counter or if you hit a stuned foe. after they are in the air the ammoun of air time they get is dependent on how deep the stun is (you can hit a guy up to 5 times in stun before they simply fall down) and varies by character.

The best launchers for hayate are:

uP, mid launches on counter or stun.
bKK, high high, launches on ANYTHING.

once in the air some easy enders are:

PP,bPP simple and lots of dmg
PPP,buK slightly more dmg, worse spacing.
uP, PP,bPP slight wrinkle on the basic juggle.

this is of course the tip of the iceberg, here's a hayate combo vid, watch how he builds stun then launches to get more hight. still in a real match launching asap is often the way to go since people will throw out counters in hopes of catching the launcher.

none for now, i'll update it soon