EPTSeriously I read that shit and laughed irl. Just imagining an ac on kunkka cleaving the whole team with bkb during a team fight. Tidebringer over and over and over again.
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Seriously I read that shit and laughed irl. Just imagining an ac on kunkka cleaving the whole team with bkb during a team fight. Tidebringer over and over and over again. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
So I've been playing HON for maybe I don't know, like 7-8 months. I played a lot of pub DOTA before that but never really done anything competitive. Not looking to be competitive, really, just looking for some people to play with. I've been in Taiwan for a couple months so far on an internship. Gonna be here another month and then back to the USA. First of all, JPN servers ONLY play AP games, quite literally. I've seen one SD game and one BD game and they were both 1500+ in the entire time I've been here. The vast majority of games are also no AB. Since there's usually only like 10 games on the list, this leaves me little choice as to what I play. As a solo player -- since the few friends I have in HON are on USA times so I never get to play with them -- this sucks. Playing with even one friend makes a massive difference. When I was still in the US I played with one friend fairly consistently and got to around 1740 with a record of 60-20. Now that I'm playing solo it's taken me about 120 games just to reach a high around 1790. I just lost like 15 in a row, so now I'm back where I started at 1735. Even in games where I dominate mid, go 18-2, and have 400 gpm with arachna, we can still lose. For example, in that game, my 1530 Maliken (I didn't notice he was on my team in a "1600+" game til after we started) went 0-11 and then left at level 10, making the game almost impossible. Point is, I'm pretty tired of playing pubs with 0 communication and 0 teamwork. Even if that crappy noob died that much, if he had even the tiniest level of teamwork we could probably still have won. There are undoubtedly things in my play that could improve, but I feel like I'm at the skill level where I can tell whether or not it is me or my allies who make the "key" errors. In the majority of my games, I take mid and try to dominate and carry my team to victory (standard pub strat for solo play). Solo pubs are complete luck of the draw, with the odds stacked against you. If BOTH my sidelanes have died 5 or 6 times before I can even get to level 6 with hag in the mid, then it's very hard to do anything to make a comeback. It's also very annoying that everytime I get to a slightly higher PSR, like say 1780, I will get all the mid range 1600s balanced to my team vs a team of say 5x low 1700s, and that's supposed to be a 50/50 game. Sure, sometimes it works out, but I have to say it's very frustrating. The highest PSR I ever achieved was around 1850 in the beta. As of now I imagine that's probably about what I still am, maybe a bit higher, probably the 1850-60 range when I have a decent team where we can communicate and have real picks and real lanes with supports who support blah blah etc. Maybe not, I don't know. Those in that range with whom I have played have not felt out of my league, whereas when I've played with 1900+ players I can tell there is a significant skill gap between myself and them. Anyways this isn't meant as a brag since I know there are plenty of players in this thread who are much better than me, just trying to get some information out so you know what to expect. My account in HON is Emperor. I can play on USW servers with about 200 ping, which is playable for me. And of course, in a month or so I'll be back in the USA so I'll have normal ping to US servers. I assume people here have the same stupid elitist attitude that HON forum players do about EM and NM. Obviously I play NM, but I still play plenty of EM with friends and my first 50 or 60 games on my account were EM. I think the EM/NM discourse is quite similar to the money/non-money bullshit in SC. That's neither here nor there. I just wish S2 would separate EM and NM stats completely, with separate PSRs. That would render the entire debate moot and make life much easier for people like me who play both game modes. I'm usually on during the daytime here, which is gonna be anytime from like 7 PM Pacific to whenever. On the weekends I can be on at normal USA times as well. I don't care if you're better than me or worse than me or about the same, I just want to play with people who have brains. The HON community is notoriously difficult to get along with and even when I play what I feel are good games, I can't get anyone to friend add me afterwards. It's a pain in the ass to make friends. I have no idea how to go about trying to get into a clan either. Oh, and apparently I "stole" this name from some competitive player. His HON name is Brized, supposedly he was a good DOTA player. I have no clue who the fuck that is, but I've been getting some hate from people in the HON forums. I think we all know why I chose the name Emperor -- Boxer. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 20 2010 21:21 ahswtini wrote: That's because silencer is awful at farming thats why you compensate by getting claymores and bfuries | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On July 21 2010 06:56 rabidch wrote: thats why you compensate by getting claymores and bfuries How is Silencer awful at farming? >.> His animation is decent, his damage isn't shit (+ you can always use orb to get last hit if you have to) And Silencer isn't even crazy item dependant.... Once you get 3~4 Nulls + Treads, you can go around ganking and get a bunch of int with last word | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 21 2010 07:06 OmgIRok wrote: How is Silencer awful at farming? >.> His animation is decent, his damage isn't shit (+ you can always use orb to get last hit if you have to) And Silencer isn't even crazy item dependant.... Once you get 3~4 Nulls + Treads, you can go around ganking and get a bunch of int with last word his animation is sub decent without the orb, awful projectile speed | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
Even in games where I dominate mid, go 18-2, and have 400 gpm with arachna, we can still lose. For example, in that game, my 1530 Maliken (I didn't notice he was on my team in a "1600+" game til after we started) went 0-11 and then left at level 10, making the game almost impossible. Point is, I'm pretty tired of playing pubs with 0 communication and 0 teamwork. Even if that crappy noob died that much, if he had even the tiniest level of teamwork we could probably still have won. Fuck leavers bro I totally feel you. And seriously fuck idiots who dont communicate | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On July 21 2010 07:06 OmgIRok wrote: How is Silencer awful at farming? >.> His animation is decent, his damage isn't shit (+ you can always use orb to get last hit if you have to) And Silencer isn't even crazy item dependant.... Once you get 3~4 Nulls + Treads, you can go around ganking and get a bunch of int with last word wat have u seen silencers hp and movespeed? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 21 2010 03:22 Ack1027 wrote: Does it also go through sol's blessing? lol... Seriously I read that shit and laughed irl. Just imagining an ac on kunkka cleaving the whole team with bkb during a team fight. Tidebringer over and over and over again. That's because Tidebringer has a trigger that keeps it from proc-ing if it doesn't do over 35 (I think) damage, because of Radiance. Since Omni's ulti keeps damage from Kunkka's targets, Kunkka just shits on everyone else because Tidebringer is not recognized by the game as going off, so it's perma Tidebringer, one person is safe, everyone else gets railed. Yeah, the HP is manageable if you had outs like a stun, blink, whatever, he has shit and that 295 ms which plays more like 285. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:30 Judicator wrote: That's because Tidebringer has a trigger that keeps it from proc-ing if it doesn't do over 35 (I think) damage, because of Radiance. Since Omni's ulti keeps damage from Kunkka's targets, Kunkka just shits on everyone else because Tidebringer is not recognized by the game as going off, so it's perma Tidebringer, one person is safe, everyone else gets railed. Yeah, the HP is manageable if you had outs like a stun, blink, whatever, he has shit and that 295 ms which plays more like 285. HP and MS is solved with treads? I guess since he has no good silence, it makes him vulnerable but that's why you gank with a stunner | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:49 OmgIRok wrote: HP and MS is solved with treads? I guess since he has no good silence, it makes him vulnerable but that's why you gank with a stunner Treads barely makes it, except treads and phase and some heroes with just boots makes them > you. Like I said ms and hp of the abusive variety is the only way to play him these days. Otherwise it's focus, dead. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On July 21 2010 07:18 rabidch wrote: his animation is sub decent without the orb, awful projectile speed Vindicator's animation in HoN is actually pretty good (I think it's the same with/without orb), but the problem is he lacks any way to farm creepwaves quickly. Sure he can last hit and static farm like anyone else, but the fact is that you aren't gonna be efficient with the time you are given to farm. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:49 OmgIRok wrote: HP and MS is solved with treads? I guess since he has no good silence, it makes him vulnerable but that's why you gank with a stunner treads is definitely not enough, he is still like paper. and i don't really think he's good for ganking, sure you get the extra int but i'd much rather have the gold from farming in lane, which is what he really needs. once you can get silencer with a sheep he can just put out some really sick dps and with his last word, global silence which cockblock any sort of initiate he is great to have in teamfights, assuming he has some survivability. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
and bracers are a given | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:13 Butigroove wrote: global ult->teleport lets you farm lanes pretty safely alot of the time and bracers are a given Trading an ulti, a tp, and gold lost from not farming for 2 to 3 heroes at the most isn't much. Plus he folds so hard once the lanes break down and you lose map control. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
I don't even consider him a carry anyway, hes a decent babysit (situational most of the time) who provides decent team fight abilities if he can stay alive the entire fight. Late game all he is is a lot of damage if he survives. That can carry, but it relies entirely on the rest of his team picking up the slack of keeping him alive to dish out damage. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:26 Alventenie wrote: Silencer is still a niche hero tbh. Hes good in an offensive line up where he has a team to protect him allowing his aura to do work in fights. Without the offensiveness of other heroes, he has nothing to provide except damage and an aura that will not last long. I don't even consider him a carry anyway, hes a decent babysit (situational most of the time) who provides decent team fight abilities if he can stay alive the entire fight. Late game all he is is a lot of damage if he survives. That can carry, but it relies entirely on the rest of his team picking up the slack of keeping him alive to dish out damage. That's the problem though, as long as Blink initiators, and Manta stays in play, he won't sniff too many line ups. If I want to break up team fights, I'll take Puck any day. Picking a line up to both make up for his weaknesses and to benefit from a dragged out team fight is too difficult for no good reason. They need to fix his damn mid game, it was barely passable before the Curse change, now it's atrocious unless you got some super gank line up constantly rotating into your lane. I don't understand how he's a decent baby sit considering your other options (both defensive and offensive), I rather take a jungle supporter than this dude that can't cover me from a gank or major harass, or effectively keep me in the lane consistently. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:20 Judicator wrote: That's the problem though, as long as Blink initiators, and Manta stays in play, he won't sniff too many line ups. If I want to break up team fights, I'll take Puck any day. Picking a line up to both make up for his weaknesses and to benefit from a dragged out team fight is too difficult for no good reason. They need to fix his damn mid game, it was barely passable before the Curse change, now it's atrocious unless you got some super gank line up constantly rotating into your lane. I don't understand how he's a decent baby sit considering your other options (both defensive and offensive), I rather take a jungle supporter than this dude that can't cover me from a gank or major harass, or effectively keep me in the lane consistently. The idea is that cots can neuter offensive play if timed right, which gives your carry the opportunity to rape balls at the cost of a clarity or two sent to silencer. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:20 Judicator wrote: That's the problem though, as long as Blink initiators, and Manta stays in play, he won't sniff too many line ups. If I want to break up team fights, I'll take Puck any day. Picking a line up to both make up for his weaknesses and to benefit from a dragged out team fight is too difficult for no good reason. They need to fix his damn mid game, it was barely passable before the Curse change, now it's atrocious unless you got some super gank line up constantly rotating into your lane. I don't understand how he's a decent baby sit considering your other options (both defensive and offensive), I rather take a jungle supporter than this dude that can't cover me from a gank or major harass, or effectively keep me in the lane consistently. What was the curse change? That it does more damage? I knew that a lot of people skipped curse and went glaive/stats but after curse did more damage and after last word became the int stealing spell his skill build got changed up ? And just to throw this out there, Silencer rapes the hell out of puck, like crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy rape | ||
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