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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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D8ms
Canada88 Posts
On July 15 2010 11:43 Alventenie wrote: The problem with glad compared to kunkka is that even though s2 says they coded him exactly like kunkka (for his skills timings etc), the engine is so much smoother that the 2 seconds for torrent seems much longer in hon than dota, making it overall much harder to hit. In dota i could lane torrents consistently once i practiced with kunkka, but with gladiator it seems like the timing is much longer than it should be. Correction: When S2 coded gladiator's pitfall, they took the 0.6 cast time from the dota database. However, because torrent is actually based on the channel spell Blizzard, it has no cast time. Therefore the cast time on pitfall and torrent are different. This has already been brought up in the mechanics section of the HoN forums. I hope it gets fixed next patch. FYI the cast time is like 0.4 seconds longer for pitfall. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 15 2010 11:43 Alventenie wrote: The problem with glad compared to kunkka is that even though s2 says they coded him exactly like kunkka (for his skills timings etc), the engine is so much smoother that the 2 seconds for torrent seems much longer in hon than dota, making it overall much harder to hit. In dota i could lane torrents consistently once i practiced with kunkka, but with gladiator it seems like the timing is much longer than it should be. The "jerk" motion in HoN is smoother than DotA's War3 engine basis, it's more SC like than War3 like if you would. I had trouble with that in beta because I was expecting more hits off of harass in lane but it's not. Anyways, I worked out the rough math for reliable versus unreliable gold, it's not even close (not in even in same order of magnitudes). Gankers won't see a massive (or significant) increase in gold, because, for comparison's sake a hero with unreliable gold needs to hit 25% of the creeps at the 10 minute mark to match the same amount of gold of a hero directly based in reliable gold killing a non-spree level 10 hero 5 times. So a hero hitting 1 out of 4 creeps will equal a hero that's 5-0 with 0 cs at the 10 minute mark. So we're both right, hard carries will still be needed, Icefrog essentially made it easier to play support individually and harder to play support at the team level. I would put this change lower in impact to the tower bounty changes. It doesn't include jungle or towers or gold loss (through deaths) though. Oh and why people put Radiance on a pedestal (never mind the actual effectiveness); 5150 for Radiance, plus other shit let's say 6000 gold effectively. There's only 8250 gold by the 16.5 minute mark. That's 55% of the creeps on average or ~72% of the available gold by the 16.5 minutes. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
radiance is nice when you have to chase ppl, and also when you're too lazy to last hit to farm. By getting rad you insta improve your usefulness in a team battle. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
Hello, The Heroes of Newerth account linked with this email address, gunzaa, has been reported by another account. The incident will be reviewed by a GM and proper action will be taken. :\ | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 15 2010 14:41 Amnesia wrote: So I raged at a fucking retard Moon Queen who was level 8 after 30 minutes...now this is what I get: Hello, The Heroes of Newerth account linked with this email address, gunzaa, has been reported by another account. The incident will be reviewed by a GM and proper action will be taken. :\ you've got nothing to worry about | ||
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sinn
United States132 Posts
On July 15 2010 14:41 Amnesia wrote: So I raged at a fucking retard Moon Queen who was level 8 after 30 minutes...now this is what I get: Hello, The Heroes of Newerth account linked with this email address, gunzaa, has been reported by another account. The incident will be reviewed by a GM and proper action will be taken. :\ ...what was the moon queen's psr? Why did you rage at them? In all honesty, you should know better than to expect much from pubs -_- | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
and/or in voicechat. saying "you're fucking bad noob never fucking play moonqueen again you fucking noob" for 20 mins straight should warrant a suspension imo. now saying something like "you're fucking bad, next time dont rush doombringer with your initial gold and not get any items beforehand because you'll fucking die you trash" is good. i don't know what kind of punishments they hand out, but less non-constructive rage is always good tho. =D | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
I never gave constructive criticism because he was just so retarded and useless HOW WAS HE HAVING A HIGHER PSR THAN ME LOL WTF Also all he did that game was whine about how sad we were and we had bad manner (my friend and I actually cursed him off since he sucked). He also said I was bad when I was 5 levels ahead of everyone else and was carrying the team until it got to late game and pretty much my entire team sucked balls and I couldn't do anything about it. The fact that like 3 people on the team had disables didnt help either as I was targetted first. I fucking hate this game sometimes lol | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 15 2010 12:14 Judicator wrote: The "jerk" motion in HoN is smoother than DotA's War3 engine basis, it's more SC like than War3 like if you would. I had trouble with that in beta because I was expecting more hits off of harass in lane but it's not. Anyways, I worked out the rough math for reliable versus unreliable gold, it's not even close (not in even in same order of magnitudes). Gankers won't see a massive (or significant) increase in gold, because, for comparison's sake a hero with unreliable gold needs to hit 25% of the creeps at the 10 minute mark to match the same amount of gold of a hero directly based in reliable gold killing a non-spree level 10 hero 5 times. So a hero hitting 1 out of 4 creeps will equal a hero that's 5-0 with 0 cs at the 10 minute mark. So we're both right, hard carries will still be needed, Icefrog essentially made it easier to play support individually and harder to play support at the team level. I would put this change lower in impact to the tower bounty changes. It doesn't include jungle or towers or gold loss (through deaths) though. Oh and why people put Radiance on a pedestal (never mind the actual effectiveness); 5150 for Radiance, plus other shit let's say 6000 gold effectively. There's only 8250 gold by the 16.5 minute mark. That's 55% of the creeps on average or ~72% of the available gold by the 16.5 minutes. I think everything is pointing to this doesn't really matter as much as it first seemed. Just possibly less gold taken away when you die, and sometimes encouraging people to buy asap instead of saving gold. other news Another 2 day BO7 for G League Go Nv.GiGa.cn!! + Show Spoiler + although i think LGD.sGty is going to win as usual  | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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paper
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
A couple are in /j clan frost | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
Can anyone tell me the basis for drafting this days? I used to play competitive ban draft last time but all we did was either sk lina sf shadow priest spectre and the like. Now the entire drafting and banning is so boggled that i cant make sense out of it. | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
Did they say when they are going to implement the award thing you see in match stats? Or the Hero builder? Any plans for more maps or the oh-so-amazing map editor? Are we going to get a PSR reset somewhere in the future or is this for life? Also how's the HoN World Cup coming along? I really want to play some new maps | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Either way, you can always reset PSR yourself, just fork over a pretty penny for it | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
. I think HoN is great but there are so many issues; battle.net is just 50 times better.And is there any news on them introducing the TSR system? Seems so much more appropriate/less flawed than kdr/psr :o. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On July 16 2010 04:25 MyTHicaL wrote: I just read something that made me laugh out loud: s2 is advertising stats reset where you need to actually pay 20$ to reset your stats. How can they sell a game like this? then introduce a retardedly flawed rap system that possibly results in you the customer losing your account or getting a temp ban. I'm certain that this was discussed in this thread but its nearly 1000 pages long so- I normally read the previous posts but ... this would take me days . I think HoN is great but there are so many issues; battle.net is just 50 times better.And is there any news on them introducing the TSR system? Seems so much more appropriate/less flawed than kdr/psr :o. HoN's interface is better than battle.net's in almost every imaginable way. Whatever, you're smoking, can I have some? Do you have any idea how the report system works? I haven't heard of one person that has been unjustly banned from it. | ||
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