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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
May 27 2010 13:53 GMT
#18161
i prefer treads on plated grieves and going puzzle box then luxury or portkey depending.
but if im not going puzzle i get treads then null then w/e item the situation calls for.
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
May 27 2010 14:57 GMT
#18162
I've never understood blink on puck... I go boots bottle straight to necrobook... bracers if i feel like im gonna get nuked more than usual.
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
May 27 2010 15:03 GMT
#18163
I'm so awful with Puck, cannot figure that guy out.
it's my first day
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
May 27 2010 15:30 GMT
#18164
Portal key is nice because it makes him almost unkillable after he gets rank 4 phase. Phase lasts 3 sec = portal key cooldown after someone attacks you.

So you orb in, silence, ulti, phase, and blink to somewhere safe until your spells are off cooldown.

Necro/Puzzlebox also sounds really awesome on him though. You can spawn those minions right in their face! Also they cannot run away because of your ult. Almost like Pharaoh, just Puzzle fits even better on Puck! Nice tip =)
Playgu
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 17:07:15
May 27 2010 16:25 GMT
#18165
On May 27 2010 13:14 Etherone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 12:10 Durak wrote:
On May 27 2010 12:00 Alventenie wrote:
A support without farm is a complete liability. They need some cs to at least maintain wards boots bracers/power supply town portals and counter wards at times. They shouldn't be taking a majority of farm, but zero farm is out of the question because they will just die over and over again.

Also plague nuke first isn't bad, it really depends on your lane and what you are against, you can secure many fb's with nuke first and plague can push alot of lanes back with level 1 nuke. I really only encourage ritual first if you are being a defensive lane or plague is babysitting in the hard lane.

The big part people seem to not see about supports is that they have to actually be good at last hitting because they should concede free farm to a carry, but when they have the chance to farm they need to make sure they get all of the last hits so they have some farm too.

Yeah. That's logical. However, in most "pro" games I've seen (replays and HoN cast basically), PR always has like 40g/min. Isn't that basically just the base gold/minute?

That's not to say I disagree with your last paragraph. Most supports do need some farm.


i want a link to which replay you saw a "pro" game with a 40g/min plague.

I just looked through my local replays and couldn't find it. I'll start searching through HoNCast.

I'm glad my post elicited some non-spam posting. (Don't jinx it!)

Edit: I can't seem to watch the ondemand videos on HoNCast. I can remember one example which was a tourney game. It was team five with Testie as chronos mid and a PR as babysitter.
Edit2: Well, I just found this game and plague had 100g/min as the final. He had ~80 for early mid game and then ~130 for late game. This does not support my memory.
Edit3: I'll have to look into this more some other time. Have an exam tomorrow. I absolutely agree that supports need to be just as efficient at farming as other characters though.
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
May 27 2010 17:02 GMT
#18166
On May 28 2010 00:03 trace wm wrote:
I'm so awful with Puck, cannot figure that guy out.


It's just the stereotypical case of a low-hp hero who's skills need a bit of a "touch" to use at their highest effectiveness. Read a guide and play him more.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
May 27 2010 17:30 GMT
#18167
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=127648

If anyone didn't see.

I'm also up for joining the team :<

I agree with what everyone is saying about supports, though Durak's 40gpm seems to low. They need gold to buy boots, stack bracers, buy wards too.
Stuck.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
May 27 2010 18:06 GMT
#18168
Dagger is really good on puck becase:
1) Your orb is really slow and easy to dodge, so blink does allow you to initiate better sometimes.
2) Combined with phase shift, once you got blink you are very hard to kill.
3) it allows you to escape after initiating into the fight with orb, as then you can phase shift+blink away rather than dying.
4) Having a blink dagger is always fun, and makes puck a lot more fun to play.

Few bracers on puck are really important too, because he has so low hp. Your next main item depends on what's gonna work best vs their lineup. Should be something like hex/shivas/necro though.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 00:07:50
May 27 2010 18:18 GMT
#18169
On May 28 2010 03:06 Goshawk. wrote:
Dagger is really good on puck becase:
1) Your orb is really slow and easy to dodge, so blink does allow you to initiate better sometimes.
2) Combined with phase shift, once you got blink you are very hard to kill.
3) it allows you to escape after initiating into the fight with orb, as then you can phase shift+blink away rather than dying.
4) Having a blink dagger is always fun, and makes puck a lot more fun to play.

Few bracers on puck are really important too, because he has so low hp. Your next main item depends on what's gonna work best vs their lineup. Should be something like hex/shivas/necro though.


It has nothing to do with the orb. Puck with Blink Dagger makes you damn impossible to kill especially on certain locations of the map. It's both offensive and defensive, and Phase makes effectively makes the Blink Dagger pre-nerf.

And support is still really easy to play, still the easiest role to play, all you need is really just understanding once you're past the fundamental mechanics part. Hardest I would say are the semi-carries.

Also this: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/32456

You know you're in trouble when a Chen opts for a Dagon and VS is picking up Command Aura before 20 mins. It's funny too cause the only player that did remotely well is Ownz (if that's Juice then it makes sense), the difference between skill and experience right there

There's your no farm support for you, NA needs to stick with Tide over ES, because they clearly do not have the skill set to play the ES, the 0-X-Y, where X > 7, and Y > 10 with a level around 12.
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 28 2010 00:31 GMT
#18170
On May 28 2010 03:18 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 03:06 Goshawk. wrote:
Dagger is really good on puck becase:
1) Your orb is really slow and easy to dodge, so blink does allow you to initiate better sometimes.
2) Combined with phase shift, once you got blink you are very hard to kill.
3) it allows you to escape after initiating into the fight with orb, as then you can phase shift+blink away rather than dying.
4) Having a blink dagger is always fun, and makes puck a lot more fun to play.

Few bracers on puck are really important too, because he has so low hp. Your next main item depends on what's gonna work best vs their lineup. Should be something like hex/shivas/necro though.


It has nothing to do with the orb. Puck with Blink Dagger makes you damn impossible to kill especially on certain locations of the map. It's both offensive and defensive, and Phase makes effectively makes the Blink Dagger pre-nerf.

And support is still really easy to play, still the easiest role to play, all you need is really just understanding once you're past the fundamental mechanics part. Hardest I would say are the semi-carries.

Also this: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/32456

You know you're in trouble when a Chen opts for a Dagon and VS is picking up Command Aura before 20 mins. It's funny too cause the only player that did remotely well is Ownz (if that's Juice then it makes sense), the difference between skill and experience right there

There's your no farm support for you, NA needs to stick with Tide over ES, because they clearly do not have the skill set to play the ES, the 0-X-Y, where X > 7, and Y > 10 with a level around 12.

I'm not surprised with DTS winning a lot lately.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 28 2010 00:58 GMT
#18171
Dread has been a really good fit for them, smart aggressive player.
Get it by your hands...
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
May 28 2010 02:01 GMT
#18172
DTS was like the pinnacle for teams under performing with the talent they have, so I'm glad to see they are winning some more.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 28 2010 02:12 GMT
#18173
Russians be drunk. Turning that bear brown part of their pre-game warm ups.
Get it by your hands...
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-28 06:39:02
May 28 2010 04:59 GMT
#18174
what is this elemenope

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=u mad ze&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

second place?

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papergirl
Profile Joined May 2010
2 Posts
May 28 2010 06:56 GMT
#18175
paper <333333
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 28 2010 07:16 GMT
#18176
On May 28 2010 13:59 paper wrote:
what is this elemenope

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=u mad ze&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

second place?

+ Show Spoiler +
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[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
May 28 2010 07:23 GMT
#18177
There seem to have been some calls for my name.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 28 2010 07:23 GMT
#18178
Pokebunny was just temp banned for 2 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2008-06-05 11:01:00 and had 3877 posts.

Reason:
On May 28 2010 12:24 Pokebunny wrote:
Cool story bro


Not 4chan
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
May 28 2010 08:04 GMT
#18179
On May 28 2010 15:56 papergirl wrote:
paper <333333


o hi~!
Hates Fun🤔
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
May 28 2010 09:58 GMT
#18180
On May 28 2010 16:23 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
Pokebunny was just temp banned for 2 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2008-06-05 11:01:00 and had 3877 posts.

Reason:
On May 28 2010 12:24 Pokebunny wrote:
Cool story bro


Not 4chan


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