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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 22 2008 18:35 GMT
#1341
Yeah, there's a lot of things in DotA that are just fucking stupid. It's incredibly depressing that he doesn't understand possibly the simplest concept with regards to game balance: anything without a counter is inherently imbalanced.

From now on I'm only picking heroes with permastun, permaslow, or those that can innately run faster than all other heroes. Then I'll just buy an SnY.

(Actually I do this in pubs. I actually just leave once I get bored of being so unfair to the other team. I wouldn't dare try it in a TL IH, though, as I'd get destroyed for not farming as well as some of you.)

Oh, by the way: why is it that I see SnY on sand king all of a sudden? Seriously; what the fuck.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
February 22 2008 18:54 GMT
#1342
What's funnier is broodmother with SnY and Tiny with... (drumroll) bashers!
I'll call Nada.
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-22 19:01:04
February 22 2008 19:00 GMT
#1343
Hereos rpf hates with every fiber of his being (speaking of which, I need to eat more bananas):

NA
BH
SA
Brood
NS
SB
BS
Luna
Geo

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 22 2008 19:03 GMT
#1344
it's amusing when a vendetta'd na is walking toward you as viper

and you rape it before it gets close cos you have sentries pre-placed : D
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 22 2008 19:14 GMT
#1345
I love nothing more than having sentries well-placed and completely fucking up some NA/BH/SA's day.

Oh, something I've been meaning to ask: when you choose items for your hero, obviously it's based on your hero, your team, and your opponents' heroes and their team as a whole, but do you prefer to buy items that "stack" with your abilities, or do you prefer to buy items that help deal with your heroes' weakness, or do you prefer items that synergize well??

I ask because I was reading a guide that was suggesting Midas, obviously a farming item, on heroes that already farm well, much in the way I see mael/mjoll on heroes like razor and potm who already have good farming abilities, as opposed to getting either item on a hero who farms like shit.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 22 2008 19:48 GMT
#1346
i like mael on potm cos starfall doesn't kill the ranged creeps in one hit :3

ONLY REASON OBVIOUSLY!111
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
February 22 2008 19:55 GMT
#1347
Don't you hate morph, too? He has an AoE damage blink and can transfer agi in str resulting in 152 hp/sec heal. I love to pub bash with him.
I'll call Nada.
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
February 22 2008 20:00 GMT
#1348
in pub -em games whenever i randomed morph i would always stack 5 gauntlets asap and use my first skill point in the transfer stat ability, then transfer all str to agi for lulz (the +str from gauntlets doesn't transfer). i told a friend to try this build once, then he walked around the map at lvl 9 with 180hp (he missed the part where you're supposed to buy the +str items) wondering why every hero was 1-shotting him
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 22 2008 20:27 GMT
#1349
k i just discovered i can not play war3 on my computer cuz it freezes up every couple of seconds and makes it unplayable, i dont know whats wrong with my computer but its certainly beyond shit
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-22 20:46:22
February 22 2008 20:41 GMT
#1350
On February 23 2008 04:55 lololol wrote:
Don't you hate morph, too? He has an AoE damage blink and can transfer agi in str resulting in 152 hp/sec heal. I love to pub bash with him.

I don't really hate morph, simply because he has obvious weaknesses. If he wants to hit like a truck with auto-attacks, and hit really high adaptives, he has to sacrifice his HP, which leaves him open to nukes. Obviously the transfer of str to agi means he'll have a lot of armor, so even though he mitigates more physical damage, he's still quite open to magic damage.

Then tack on his atrocious base move speed, and you have a hero with some good strengths, but also some really big weaknesses.

Heroes like NA, BH, and SA all share the same weakness: wind walk is easily countered by 200 gold wards placed properly, necro3, and gem (on heroes that aren't susceptible to their bullshit chain nukes). Heroes like NS and SB you need to be able to chain disable, which means you can't be alone. While it's a team game, I despise heroes that are countered by teams and not by individual abilities. So unless I can farm a guin, a stun, and all sorts of other disables by the time SB earns his ult, I'm pretty much fucked.

It's not so much that they aren't counterable as it is that it's unrealistically difficult to effectively and efficiently counter them.

What if my hero doesn't have a stun? I can't buy an item with a stun to interact charge. Or what if NS is chasing me at night? I can't run. So I have to disable him or stun him somehow. Rarely can I actually go toe to toe with him, as if he's chasing me, he knows he's already won, otherwise he wouldn't be chasing me.

I just think the heroes I listed have too few counters for them to be conducive to a balanced game. I also really despise how IceFrog has turned DotA into a large scale rock-paper-scissors game.

I think the introduction of a few new items is desperately needed.

How about a generic int item, like HoT for str heroes and bfly for agi heroes? How about more items with actives, like an item with a stun, or a cheaper item with a disable? It sucks paying 5k gold or more to counter a hero who innately has an ability they take at L6.

What about more stat items? I can't be the only person that hates buying items that give me direct bonuses, such as +HP, +armor, or +dmg. I prefer to get my damage, armor, HP, MP and so forth from stats. How about L2/3/4 items that can use my bracers as a component?

How about items that are made from the least used items in the game? What if I could make a L1 item out of branches other than a mek?

Keep in mind my complaints are vastly outnumbered by the number of things I like about DotA. I just tend not to sit around and praise things; I'd rather criticize them so they can be improved.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-22 20:42:58
February 22 2008 20:42 GMT
#1351
On February 23 2008 05:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
k i just discovered i can not play war3 on my computer cuz it freezes up every couple of seconds and makes it unplayable, i dont know whats wrong with my computer but its certainly beyond shit


Does it produce some sort of "tick" sound every few seconds, too? There were 2 PCs that did that in the local PC bang ^_^
I'll call Nada.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
February 22 2008 20:57 GMT
#1352
If you can't run away from NS, then you won't be able to run away from morph, too and that aplies both during the day and night I prefer morph over NS to pub stomp, although morph is more mana dependant, but 3 bands + a bottle are more than enough to land a kill and escape. His recent +15 base damage buff allows him to farm much better and a low range is still better than being melee. Also, transfering stats + waveforming away means he'll rarely die.
I'll call Nada.
pfff
Profile Joined May 2004
Belgium1352 Posts
February 22 2008 21:08 GMT
#1353
imbalanced is really the last word I would use to describe nightstalker, he's a pretty poor hero
It ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 22 2008 21:41 GMT
#1354
Well, I shouldn't have described him as such. Aside from him being really fast and having a slow on top of that, he really can't do much else. Half the time, he sucks. The other half of the time he's okay. That right there just sucks.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 22 2008 21:42 GMT
#1355
On February 23 2008 05:57 lololol wrote:
If you can't run away from NS, then you won't be able to run away from morph, too and that aplies both during the day and night I prefer morph over NS to pub stomp, although morph is more mana dependant, but 3 bands + a bottle are more than enough to land a kill and escape. His recent +15 base damage buff allows him to farm much better and a low range is still better than being melee. Also, transfering stats + waveforming away means he'll rarely die.

3 bands and a bottle? That really cuts into your inventory space.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-22 22:23:22
February 22 2008 21:58 GMT
#1356
Why would you need more space? This leaves 1 slot for boots and 1 for TP.
After that you get BoT, and you're left with 1 free slot, which is enough for the typical items.

For Butterfly you get the eaglehorn in the empty slot and then buy the 2 remaining pieces at once, since the quarter staff is weaker than a band(12 stats compared to an effective 10 agility, without the armor).

For Manta you buy the +10 agility blade and then the other 2 pieces at once. The booster + manta recipe can also be bought at once, since a booster is effecitvely +13 str, barely an improvement over +12 stats.

For Mjolnir you get the hammer first, then the other 2 pieces, and finish up with the eaglehorn.

Radiance also requires just one slot for the relic.

So you'll have to sell one band(or the bottle if you feel like it) when you're going for your second tier 4 item, and it would have repaid it's value long ago.
I generally don't buy S&Y or Linkens for him, but they would require 1 band less.
Also, if you prefer buying every single piece as soon as you have the money, in order to save some $ if you get killed right after buying - just get a chicken.
I'll call Nada.
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 22 2008 22:10 GMT
#1357
Ah, I just noticed this pattern in a bunch of replays I've watched recently where it was either bottle/2 bracers/bands/talismans or 3 bracers/bands/talismans.

Anyone else think there should be a bottle upgrade for late game? A 200/100 heal late game is pretty, well, insignificant. Sure, it'll let you use your spells again, but meh. I'd like to see buying another bottle autocombine to another level of the same item.

L1: 200/100
L2: 400/200
etc.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-22 22:22:07
February 22 2008 22:21 GMT
#1358
Having a high level hero run away at 5 hp and reapear 10-15 seconds later with full hp and mana, because of an upgraded bottle is not... nice Even the unupgraded bottle is pretty overpowered.
I'll call Nada.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-22 22:26:03
February 22 2008 22:25 GMT
#1359
Bottle needs no buff, period.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 22 2008 22:25 GMT
#1360
i think the cd on bottle is such an artificial nerf -__-

there are better ways to hitting it with the nerf stick like reducing the hp/mp boost, raising the cost, etc.
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