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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 19 2008 16:42 GMT
#1261
does anyone hate how they changed luna again? - x-;; frekin i would only get aura + stats for a while early game when i laned because she has low health and really low base dmg but now if you want your ult to be useful at all you need to level your nukes again. its RETArDeD
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-19 17:27:28
February 19 2008 17:22 GMT
#1262
FocusIRE jungled luna recently and he went the following:
Glaives, aura, glaives, stats, stats/glaives[not sure here], ult.

Do not question FocusIRE.
Edit: http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=203784
It's a pure farm game which ends up being Luna and SF vs EMG's TB but FocusIRE is just amazing with every hero he plays.

Edit2: Nobody cares but imo LightOfHeaven and Focusire >>>> Vigoss, NS, Loda, Maelk
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 19 2008 18:12 GMT
#1263
On February 20 2008 01:42 BlueRoyaL wrote:
does anyone hate how they changed luna again? - x-;; frekin i would only get aura + stats for a while early game when i laned because she has low health and really low base dmg but now if you want your ult to be useful at all you need to level your nukes again. its RETArDeD


No, because health and damage (to a degree) was irrelevant for a hero that jungled and can effectively bitch slap the entire other team with 3 items that can be farmed very easily with Glaives. Dmg and HP has little effect on junglers, only in lanes, which is why almost (if not) every team that used Luna in lane has lost, because the other team sees it and just throws their carry+sp/lock into the lane against it to free farm.

Right now the consensus among league players is that TB ~ Luna > FV/Spec for the scary carries, because the latter two are so dependent on the Radiance while the former two are not.

Btw, FocusIRE and LightofHeaven are both on Begrip.
Get it by your hands...
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2008 18:36 GMT
#1264
So who are the best DPSers in the entire game. And I wanna learn how to play a tank/stunner well since they're the ones least picked in chinese pubs and biggest reason why teams lose I believe, which ones should I go for.
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
February 19 2008 19:15 GMT
#1265
Ugh, there's a few of them but i just woke up so lets see how this goes.

Clinkz
Luna
Phantom Assassin
Faceless Void
Stealth Assasin
Bloodseeker
Enchantress
Lightning Revenant
Tiny
Silencer
Juggernaut
Storn Spirit
Sniper
Drow
Lycan
Nightstalker


Uhh fuck, i know there are more.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2008 19:21 GMT
#1266
those are all good dps heroes? Even Juggernaut?
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
February 19 2008 19:37 GMT
#1267
Leshrac is "dps"

most agi heroes naturally have really high dps by endgame
troll warlord
spectre
anti-mage
bounty
VS

also
obsidian destroyer
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
February 19 2008 19:41 GMT
#1268
PA because of her ult pretty much has the highest dps out of anyone in the entire game

centaur is your stereotypical tank

stun/disable is pretty straightforward to figure out just by looking at spells
Lion
CM
Rhasta
Bane
ES
anything with a guinsoo

Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
February 19 2008 20:00 GMT
#1269
Go QoP, Bly!
aka. Samael
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
February 19 2008 20:47 GMT
#1270
Room 9, bring it bitches! Where's Nick aka. Testie btw? THAT FEG!
aka. Samael
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 19 2008 21:03 GMT
#1271
his igloo computer died in a fire
Hates Fun🤔
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 19 2008 21:18 GMT
#1272
hmhmhmhmhmh

KotL?

I just gave him a serious try. This is what I did:

- Chicken, two tangos, three branches
- Boots, Mek, TP scroll
- Necro 1/2/3, BoT
- BKB (I accidentally bought an ogre axe so I went BKB more to stop alch's imba stun than anything)
- Shiva's
- Assault

I basically just farmed the entire game, and kept sending waves of shit to their towers. It was ridiculously easy to farm and keep my mana up, although I wish I'd bought a void stone in there somewhere. Even though I had an arcane ring as an ability, I still would eventually go OOM between the Mek, necro, chakra, etc.

I don't know, I'm just looking for build criticism. Normally I just go "SJ, what do I buy" but that's pretty dumb. I figures aura stuff would be good since I have summons already, and by ability to instantly stop a push means I'm going to be great for pushing as well.

I was absolutely terrible at killing other heroes, though, although I guess my role never was really to kill others anyhow.

I had 347 creep kills before the game ended, and that wasn't even the final score. I forgot to look, but I saved the replay.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 19 2008 21:28 GMT
#1273
The "best" DPS hero is Silencer, because GoW are not affected by either armor or spell resist. So if you want to build dream heroes his glaives can easily break 100 late game. In contrast PA at level 25 may crit for 1.5k but in actuality the damage can be mitigated by close to 60% if not more, 70% is attainable if buffed by heroes.
Get it by your hands...
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 19 2008 21:30 GMT
#1274
How can you effectively counter a hero like PA who is farmed? Massive amounts of armor? Or even throwing in a blade mail?
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
1t2t3t4t5taw
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Andorra173 Posts
February 19 2008 21:36 GMT
#1275
On February 20 2008 06:30 rpf wrote:
How can you effectively counter a hero like PA who is farmed? Massive amounts of armor? Or even throwing in a blade mail?


Disables are the counter to DPS heros
afadf
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 19 2008 21:49 GMT
#1276
On February 20 2008 06:30 rpf wrote:
How can you effectively counter a hero like PA who is farmed? Massive amounts of armor? Or even throwing in a blade mail?


Armor and Nuke Her down, your physical attackers should just wipe their supports and disable PA for as long as you can. Blade Mail is really a bad item no matter how you cut it, especially since the release of SG and the buffs to Vanguard.

Out of all the melee carries, she is least threatening, namely because her item choices are so damn limited.
Get it by your hands...
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 19 2008 22:26 GMT
#1277
Yeah, blade mails are pretty shitty. Aside from guin and eul's, there aren't really many disables in the game. :/
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
February 19 2008 23:18 GMT
#1278
That's why teams that have heroes with stuns are stronger than teams with heroes that have no stuns. PA is a fairly rubbish hero overall because she has no lane control, has no "solid" escape mechanism, low health, can't really farm, is totally item dependant and takes a REALLY long amount of time of being left alone before she can actually kill.

As opposed to standard league carry heroes like Shadow Fiend (farms fast + lane control), Silencer (one of the strongest lane control heroes) and Void (Chrono + Butterfly = invincivoid, can teamkill by himself with a relatively minimal amount of items, has a built-in escape mechanism and can help ganks from level 6), PA's kinda... useless.

In terms of raw damage output, Razor, Silencer, Obsidian Destroyer, PA and Clinkz are probably heads above the others, but of those only Clinkz has an escape mechanism, Silencer has the lane control and team wrecking spell, and OD has the highest DPS. Razor's an SF-esque hero in that it farms retardedly fast.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-19 23:44:45
February 19 2008 23:43 GMT
#1279
On February 20 2008 08:18 Southlight wrote:
...Razor, Silencer, Obsidian Destroyer, PA and Clinkz...


SF can semi carry, not a great carry. The ones you listed are not great carries either. Silencer is not a great lane control hero, Clinkz might be back up to his pre-37 days or close to it but time will tell. Razor is....no just no.

TB/FV/BB/Cent/Spec/SF/Mag/Luna/Skel/QoP are the common carries right now.

Silencer is overrated along with Sand King and Viper right now.

Oh and Void can hardly solo a team, its usually the addition of Euls/Guin that really make the team fight unfavorable late game for the other team.
Get it by your hands...
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 20 2008 00:14 GMT
#1280
I completely disagree. Put a good player in a solo lane with silencer or razor, and you will lose. Christ, even I can do really well with razor, and you've all seen me play. I'm not that great, and I'm usually underfarmed by late game. ;;
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
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