• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:45
CEST 17:45
KST 00:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Rollback Netcode in Brood War535.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202621Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)78
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Repalyzer - replay analysis app for StarCraft: Rem BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Rollback Netcode in Brood War Mineral Boosting (2 workers/patch) TL Sidebar missing streams
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7969 users

[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 488

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 486 487 488 489 490 1664 Next
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 19 2009 15:03 GMT
#9741
Question - do evaded attacks (eg. from talisman) trigger counter helix?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
August 19 2009 16:19 GMT
#9742
On August 20 2009 00:03 ahswtini wrote:
Question - do evaded attacks (eg. from talisman) trigger counter helix?


Yes they do. Every attack command triggers it, which is why when you're called, don't spam move because it's the equivalent of spamming attack on axe.
We spend our youth attaining wealth, and our wealth attaining youth.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 19 2009 16:31 GMT
#9743
wait what? trying to move away is like spamming attack on axe, and makes him spin more? wtf that's so wrong!
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 19 2009 16:34 GMT
#9744
Yeah I have no idea what you mean there...
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
August 19 2009 16:37 GMT
#9745
helix only takes into account the "attempted" hit (just the first frame of attack animation is enough)
so if u spam move while called, every time u click away, ur hero will try to attack axe again, raising the probability that he will spin
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-19 17:01:42
August 19 2009 17:00 GMT
#9746
Helix procs when the command attack is placed, not when the attack lands. So if you spam stop/move/hold, Axe forces your hero to place another attack command during a Call after every time you stop/move/hold; so it increases the chance Axe will spin every .XX seconds, whatever the internal CD on Helix is.

Any evasion/misses on Axe will not lower his chance to proc Helix. I'm not sure if Doom silences the Helix passive or not.
In DotA you could
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
August 19 2009 17:36 GMT
#9747
On August 20 2009 01:31 Zelniq wrote:
wait what? trying to move away is like spamming attack on axe, and makes him spin more? wtf that's so wrong!

Lol and most people don't realize this too.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-19 18:44:04
August 19 2009 17:49 GMT
#9748
On August 20 2009 02:00 Elemenope wrote:
Helix procs when the command attack is placed, not when the attack lands. So if you spam stop/move/hold, Axe forces your hero to place another attack command during a Call after every time you stop/move/hold; so it increases the chance Axe will spin every .XX seconds, whatever the internal CD on Helix is.

Any evasion/misses on Axe will not lower his chance to proc Helix. I'm not sure if Doom silences the Helix passive or not.


Doom does not stopped triggered passives. Hardcoded passives on the other hand....there's a nice long list for what Doom stops and doesn't stop.

And a little tidbit on Axe's Call, the only reason why it works that way is because Call has a trigger that makes the affected units attack Axe. The "it" in that case being increasing your number of attempted attacks beyond your attack rate, which isn't possible otherwise like in case of orb-walking or animation canceling.

I really should phrase my shit better, the trigger to attack Axe goes off every time something contrary occurs (like spamming stop or move).
Get it by your hands...
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 19 2009 18:09 GMT
#9749
that would explain why call seems to make him spin more than normal..
i shouldnt click
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 19 2009 19:40 GMT
#9750
So you can also kill someone before their hit even lands. No more move command spamming anymore from me
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 19 2009 21:43 GMT
#9751
On August 19 2009 20:24 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
so i heard there's a new meepo user that rivals testie, if not surpasses him in skillz.


[image loading]
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
August 19 2009 23:39 GMT
#9752
[image loading]


Listen to them...

EAT EAT EAT !!!
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 20 2009 00:10 GMT
#9753
On August 20 2009 01:19 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2009 00:03 ahswtini wrote:
Question - do evaded attacks (eg. from talisman) trigger counter helix?


Yes they do. Every attack command triggers it, which is why when you're called, don't spam move because it's the equivalent of spamming attack on axe.

Unless you're PL, then it's party time
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
August 20 2009 00:23 GMT
#9754
I think the extra spins will fuck him and his images over
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Antifate
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States415 Posts
August 20 2009 00:35 GMT
#9755
I don't think images produced by Juxtapose during Call are affected by call, so you shouldn't really have to click away. PL sucks against Axe anyway.
No one is taller than the last man standing.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 20 2009 01:04 GMT
#9756
On August 20 2009 09:35 Antifate wrote:
I don't think images produced by Juxtapose during Call are affected by call, so you shouldn't really have to click away. PL sucks against Axe anyway.


PL dicks on Axe once Diffusal hits, Feedback does so much.
Get it by your hands...
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 20 2009 02:12 GMT
#9757
meh. I still think Axe is an overrated hero, just like Clinkz. Pub Allstars I guess.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 02:28:08
August 20 2009 02:27 GMT
#9758
Goddamn! i always try to spam move so i wont attack axe no wonder he owns me.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 20 2009 02:37 GMT
#9759
On August 20 2009 11:12 Ace wrote:
meh. I still think Axe is an overrated hero, just like Clinkz. Pub Allstars I guess.



axe is very good hero, not overrated at all. clinkz however is just not that great of a hero =P. Hes a hard carry that has shit hp gain. Also even with his death pact/ww he has shit survivability due to his last hit animation being so bad =/.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 20 2009 02:47 GMT
#9760
On August 20 2009 11:37 Alventenie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2009 11:12 Ace wrote:
meh. I still think Axe is an overrated hero, just like Clinkz. Pub Allstars I guess.



axe is very good hero, not overrated at all. clinkz however is just not that great of a hero =P. Hes a hard carry that has shit hp gain. Also even with his death pact/ww he has shit survivability due to his last hit animation being so bad =/.


lasthit animation gives him shit survivability?? that makes total sense!. I think buffed firearrows on clinkz at least doesn't make him completely fucking useless anymore.
Prev 1 486 487 488 489 490 1664 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
21:00
ONSYDE Invitational
CranKy Ducklings180
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 248
ProTech145
Rex 103
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40068
Free 1536
Horang2 319
firebathero 245
Zeus 139
Trap 137
Hyun 70
Last 62
ToSsGirL 45
soO 40
[ Show more ]
Yoon 38
Aegong 21
Rock 20
Bishop 16
Noble 16
scan(afreeca) 16
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
Gorgc8178
Dendi859
XaKoH 422
420jenkins194
Counter-Strike
fl0m4183
Heroes of the Storm
Lowko443
Other Games
singsing2137
Beastyqt649
Mlord361
byalli279
mouzStarbuck230
KnowMe209
Hui .182
DeMusliM152
QueenE92
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 35
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP31
• Adnapsc2 7
• Dystopia_ 3
• Response 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix15
• Michael_bg 10
• niya90s 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 1618
Other Games
• Shiphtur451
Upcoming Events
AI Arena Tournament
1h 15m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
3h 15m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 15m
Patches Events
23h 15m
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 3h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 3h
OSC
1d 7h
OSC
1d 20h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Online Event
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.