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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 06 2011 17:09 GMT
#29221
Let's just say well done on valve for having zero leaks all the way up to pretty much the public demo (that's happening on gamescom right?)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
August 06 2011 17:24 GMT
#29222
On August 06 2011 19:27 wooozy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 12:19 Dalguno wrote:
Hope I can use this as a little bit of a HoN help thread. Gonna be playing tonight, any noob-friendly int characters to get started on?


plague rider (lich) for sure, but he isn't on the free hero list anymore. both witch slayer (lion) and voodoo jester (witch doctor) are on this week's free hero list and they are quite simple.


Check the "Heroes of Newerth goes free to play" thread here @ TL.net
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 06 2011 17:32 GMT
#29223
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.

Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
August 06 2011 17:36 GMT
#29224
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
August 06 2011 17:46 GMT
#29225
THATS NOT ROLLING¬!
Meh.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
August 06 2011 18:35 GMT
#29226
On August 07 2011 00:31 xZiGGY wrote:
it takes a lot of practice to press w >.>


It takes practice to press w EVERY THREE SECONDS AND Q EVERY SECOND AND A HALF.
Chains none
Crimson
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States311 Posts
August 06 2011 18:47 GMT
#29227
On August 07 2011 03:35 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 00:31 xZiGGY wrote:
it takes a lot of practice to press w >.>


It takes practice to press w EVERY THREE SECONDS AND Q EVERY SECOND AND A HALF.


And learning how to actually use his armor on his back while being able to attack.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 19:41:27
August 06 2011 18:50 GMT
#29228
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op
+ Show Spoiler +
I bet if i respond to notjack hell respond in ever increasing amounts of hostility even though we aren't talking about the same thing! let's fine out and mind the edit on this post!
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
August 06 2011 19:08 GMT
#29229
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Well, magmus also happened to be ridiculously good back in the early stages of his existence
Crimson
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States311 Posts
August 06 2011 19:12 GMT
#29230
On August 07 2011 04:08 Ganfei2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Well, magmus also happened to be ridiculously good back in the early stages of his existence


iirc wasn't his ult channel time shorter than his stun duration? that was fun
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 06 2011 19:13 GMT
#29231
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.
NikonTC
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
August 06 2011 19:14 GMT
#29232


We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.
"IdrA crushes the marine push, absolutely demolishes this 2 rax play. Would not be suprised to see a GG from IdrA at any moment" Day[9]
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 19:16:21
August 06 2011 19:15 GMT
#29233
On August 07 2011 04:13 NotJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.

With the modifier to new players/ bad players, it would seem...
herp learn2read there are often things that work in context!
On August 07 2011 04:14 NikonTC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM&feature=related

We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.

Where is dada 2 jah jah jah jajajajaj jah
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 06 2011 19:26 GMT
#29234
On August 07 2011 04:15 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 04:13 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.

With the modifier to new players/ bad players, it would seem...
herp learn2read there are often things that work in context!
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 04:14 NikonTC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM&feature=related

We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.

Where is dada 2 jah jah jah jajajajaj jah


Lean2think, you might think a hero played correctly is a 500 gpm pub stomp, but you don't know much.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 06 2011 19:43 GMT
#29235
On August 07 2011 04:26 NotJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 04:15 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:13 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.

With the modifier to new players/ bad players, it would seem...
herp learn2read there are often things that work in context!
On August 07 2011 04:14 NikonTC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM&feature=related

We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.

Where is dada 2 jah jah jah jajajajaj jah


Lean2think, you might think a hero played correctly is a 500 gpm pub stomp, but you don't know much.

Again context it's a post responding to the youtube video which satirizes how the hon community reacts to heroes, at which point all heroes are deemed to be over powered too easy to win etc. What that has to do with me knowing much, nothing just like a statement of your mama has nothing to do with this sentence. It seems my previous statement of reading for context stands.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 06 2011 19:49 GMT
#29236
On August 07 2011 04:43 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 04:26 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:15 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:13 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
On August 06 2011 21:59 Firebolt145 wrote:
Cursed ground is malediction right? Since when did it have a channel time?

Witch slayer is easily easier than vd. You've got two disables, a spell that gets you mana back, and an ulti that simply does a fuckton of damage. Easy as.


ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.

With the modifier to new players/ bad players, it would seem...
herp learn2read there are often things that work in context!
On August 07 2011 04:14 NikonTC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM&feature=related

We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.

Where is dada 2 jah jah jah jajajajaj jah


Lean2think, you might think a hero played correctly is a 500 gpm pub stomp, but you don't know much.

Again context it's a post responding to the youtube video which satirizes how the hon community reacts to heroes, at which point all heroes are deemed to be over powered too easy to win etc. What that has to do with me knowing much, nothing just like a statement of your mama has nothing to do with this sentence. It seems my previous statement of reading for context stands.


My statement was that saying every hero is op doesn't make sense, even if bads who get stomped by them think they're strong. If you can't realize that there's not much hope for you.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
August 06 2011 19:55 GMT
#29237
On August 07 2011 04:49 NotJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 04:43 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:26 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:15 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:13 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
[quote]

ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.

With the modifier to new players/ bad players, it would seem...
herp learn2read there are often things that work in context!
On August 07 2011 04:14 NikonTC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM&feature=related

We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.

Where is dada 2 jah jah jah jajajajaj jah


Lean2think, you might think a hero played correctly is a 500 gpm pub stomp, but you don't know much.

Again context it's a post responding to the youtube video which satirizes how the hon community reacts to heroes, at which point all heroes are deemed to be over powered too easy to win etc. What that has to do with me knowing much, nothing just like a statement of your mama has nothing to do with this sentence. It seems my previous statement of reading for context stands.


My statement was that saying every hero is op doesn't make sense, even if bads who get stomped by them think they're strong. If you can't realize that there's not much hope for you.


and that's why most of the hon/dota community is retarded, and you're right, there is no hope for them.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-06 20:01:18
August 06 2011 20:00 GMT
#29238
On August 07 2011 04:49 NotJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 04:43 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:26 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:15 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 04:13 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 03:50 semantics wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:36 Manit0u wrote:
On August 07 2011 02:32 NotJack wrote:
On August 07 2011 00:01 SirMilford wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:45 BurningSera wrote:
[quote]

ye i know right, maledict in hon has a small delay when casting it. the gf told me the other day >_>

best entry hero in hon - if you are from dota you shouldnt have any problem to use the dota heroes (most of they are the exact same); for complete newbie i'd say int=plague rider, agi = moonqueen, str = magmus. you will learn to manage your regen/mana pool and how to engage enemies from these heroes.


Armadon=easiest strength hero. Magmus you need to utilize those dodges


Magmus is one of the hardest heroes in the game, I don't get why people who don't know much try to help new players.



I guess it all stems from the beta testing:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A

Well that bring back memories. There is a reason why dev balance to the pro level cuz to new people every hero played correctly is op


Every hero played correctly is not op, that statement makes no sense.

With the modifier to new players/ bad players, it would seem...
herp learn2read there are often things that work in context!
On August 07 2011 04:14 NikonTC wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdQX483lPM&feature=related

We should all watch this again and rejoice that soon, SOON the wait is over.

Where is dada 2 jah jah jah jajajajaj jah


Lean2think, you might think a hero played correctly is a 500 gpm pub stomp, but you don't know much.

Again context it's a post responding to the youtube video which satirizes how the hon community reacts to heroes, at which point all heroes are deemed to be over powered too easy to win etc. What that has to do with me knowing much, nothing just like a statement of your mama has nothing to do with this sentence. It seems my previous statement of reading for context stands.


My statement was that saying every hero is op doesn't make sense, even if bads who get stomped by them think they're strong. If you can't realize that there's not much hope for you.

Again you can't seem to make out that I'm just conveying a sentiment that i have observed when reading the hon forums, it has nothing to do with my own beliefs on heroes. Nor do any of my sentences convey such a manner. There is the use of defining new/bad players for a reason that i do not identify with the group so i do not use a 1st person perspective.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
August 06 2011 20:02 GMT
#29239
I find the previous posters name pretty funny.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 06 2011 20:16 GMT
#29240
Holy crap izzy is mad, he's using punctuation. Notjack, you better step away before you get hurt man.


As for 'easy' heroes.. honestly I think it's heroes that are easy to understand -- andro and slither come to mind. Even if it's somebody's first time, they can "comet someone, aurora everyone, and swap if you can't get in comet range). Yeah you probably won't see clutch swaps or well timed stuns, but since you're talking beginner heroes, you're talking 1500 level, so it doesn't matter.
Same for slither. "spam your wards, spray heroes, and try and ult a bunch of people". And the best part is, even with no items, they can still do it and be "okay".

I don't think moonqueen is an easy hero at all, not only does she need farm and great positioning, but she's really easy to fuck up, too. And a new player will probably die with her. A lot. And on a hard carry, that matters.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
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