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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 25 2010 23:54 GMT
#21821
On November 26 2010 06:26 ganjazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
btw how does this work with getting people suspended? How much cursing or how much " i stay afk at fountain and move every 5min" is enough to get him suspended?


you dont get suspended for being afk and alt tabbing walking around ever 2 minuts to avoid being kicked. you dont get suspended for flaming ever. you can flame as hard as you want. you should not however spam chat with insults, and the one thing that (as i experienced) gets you banned instantly is feeding on purpose.

my account is ooooold its just that it got banned so i requested a trial key cos im super addicted to this game.


full list of things that get you banned here:
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/conduct.php
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
GazeRocker
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada60 Posts
November 26 2010 01:03 GMT
#21822
Riki#2, it's okay, you still got me babe LOL
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
November 26 2010 02:48 GMT
#21823
Owned some inhouses today. Funny how active map control and smart laning ruins most people's ability to function.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
November 26 2010 05:08 GMT
#21824
Here's a stupid question. How exactly are you supposed to gank the sidelanes when you're mid?

For example, a game I just played:

I was Lion mid on Sentinel, lanes were 2-1-2, and I was raping the fuck out of SF. It was like 3-0 at fifteen minutes, and I kept blowing my ult and killing him every time it was up. But, the side lanes were getting raped, and my teammates were constantly asking for a gank.

The problem was, I knew they had warded the river somewhere, and it was clear that any attempt for me to gank from mid was going to be spotted. Ganking top seemed out of question, as even if I tp'd top, seeing as it was daylight, they would've saw it a mile away. Venomancer was bot on Scourge, and was constantly warding the shit out of the forest, so I didn't think I was in any position to gank successfully there easily.

Thinking that the probability of getting a successful gank off*effectiveness of gank was less than the probability of killing SF*effectiveness of raping SF mid, I decided to just keep raping SF mid. But, we lost the side lanes and promptly conceded by the time we got to midgame, with my teammates crying the entire time about how I failed mid by not ever ganking. I couldn't help but agree, but I don't really know how I would have. I started ganking once I got my dagger, as I felt like I finally knew I could get something to work out, but by that time it was really just too late.

So I guess my question is, if the sidelanes can see your mid gank coming from a mile away, and your sidelanes are getting completely raped, what exactly are you supposed to do? Or was the game simply lost at the picking stage with the lanes being bad/players not being up to the same caliber?
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
November 26 2010 05:48 GMT
#21825
1) counterwarding

2) lane swap with one of your farmers

3) consider a 3-man push if your teammates have any pushing ability, but this is kind of far from optimal

The crux of it is: You're LION! If you've shut down the enemy mid, then leave. It's a terrible waste of your potential to just sit in a lane. Even just camping the forest for a minute or so while waiting for a rune spawn can exert enough pressure to help out your allies a bit.

another note, TP ganks don't have come from fog. If there's any kind of stun or better, stun combo, in the sidelane you can just do an in-your-face TP when the enemy heroes push up against the tower (which they should be doing if they've won the lane handily). TP support can come from the opposite side lane too, if for some crazy reason a Lion is not enough to manufacture a kill.
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
November 26 2010 06:36 GMT
#21826
get a tp with courier and teleport to gank sidelanes. :|
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
November 26 2010 09:06 GMT
#21827
I strongly suggest you try the 5 men push mid.
No need to ward/counter ward, no need to gank, no need to swap lanes. Easy and fun.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
November 26 2010 09:18 GMT
#21828
You said you were raping mid as lion. 15 minutes in 3-0 and complete control of your lane should be an easy boots bottle blink. Just tp down there and blink on top of them + rape.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 09:31:57
November 26 2010 09:27 GMT
#21829
On November 26 2010 14:08 DarkOptik wrote:
Here's a stupid question. How exactly are you supposed to gank the sidelanes when you're mid?

For example, a game I just played:

I was Lion mid on Sentinel, lanes were 2-1-2, and I was raping the fuck out of SF. It was like 3-0 at fifteen minutes, and I kept blowing my ult and killing him every time it was up. But, the side lanes were getting raped, and my teammates were constantly asking for a gank.

The problem was, I knew they had warded the river somewhere, and it was clear that any attempt for me to gank from mid was going to be spotted. Ganking top seemed out of question, as even if I tp'd top, seeing as it was daylight, they would've saw it a mile away. Venomancer was bot on Scourge, and was constantly warding the shit out of the forest, so I didn't think I was in any position to gank successfully there easily.

Thinking that the probability of getting a successful gank off*effectiveness of gank was less than the probability of killing SF*effectiveness of raping SF mid, I decided to just keep raping SF mid. But, we lost the side lanes and promptly conceded by the time we got to midgame, with my teammates crying the entire time about how I failed mid by not ever ganking. I couldn't help but agree, but I don't really know how I would have. I started ganking once I got my dagger, as I felt like I finally knew I could get something to work out, but by that time it was really just too late.

So I guess my question is, if the sidelanes can see your mid gank coming from a mile away, and your sidelanes are getting completely raped, what exactly are you supposed to do? Or was the game simply lost at the picking stage with the lanes being bad/players not being up to the same caliber?
you didnt really say what lanes they had either (trilane or duallanes?). priority should be going to the lane that is pushable/gankable (depends on levels lineups blah blah) or has your main carry in it. think about lane mechanics... and remember rune timings, how long obs wards last (6 minutes), remember pushing may help ease off pressure form other lanes
and even if veno poison wards bot sent forest its still enough time to fuck him over majority of the time.

dagger should be gotten always (currently), but if you dont have it by lets say by 14 minutes, you're behind, especially if you're up 3-0. and that is about midgame.

the answer to your last question is it doesnt matter if you are winning mid lane if you're a hero like lion or the skill difference is not vast, the fact is 2 side lanes getting owned = 4 people on their team doing well vs 1 person on your team doing well, you are obviously losing and something should be done about it, and i dont know how skilled your teammates are either

ever played beastmaster mid?
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D8ms
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada88 Posts
November 26 2010 23:09 GMT
#21830
GM work is soul crushing. 550 pages of tickets and growing. ASDF

Avoiding afk detection by sitting in the fountain/in woods is bannable, don't do it. As for cursing, just don't act like a 12 year old who thinks hes an e-thug and you should be fine.
o.O
manGomaGic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada94 Posts
November 27 2010 00:15 GMT
#21831
That's pretty rough, 550 pages of tickets. I'd say at least 70% of all public games I participate in somebody either rage quits or sits at fountain.
Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 04:00:15
November 27 2010 03:57 GMT
#21832
On November 26 2010 14:08 DarkOptik wrote:
Here's a stupid question. How exactly are you supposed to gank the sidelanes when you're mid?


My personal preference if I was in your shoes, get to 11 (or very close to it). Get your dagger/bottle/treads, gank off of a timely rune. The rune especially is important. Break their easiest to gank lane and 3 man push that tower out.

If you are really owning the shit out of mid like you're implying, I would skip the dagger, get a quick dagon (keeping it at 1) and then surprise gib the fuck out of their team.

It boils down to how far you're ahead and how behind your sides are; then it becomes whether it even matters.

In other words, use your head, there isn't a good singular answer.

Also to the people saying he should kneejerk leave lane, if that SF recovers his farm and catches up, that just means you're gambling your lone advantage.
Get it by your hands...
Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
November 27 2010 04:06 GMT
#21833
Team ICE vs EG in DYA finals. Semi-finals just finished, stream is here: http://www.justin.tv/honcast?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=www.fileplay.net#/w/591214848
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
November 27 2010 20:12 GMT
#21834
honcast is confusing
says their stream is live on main page but when i click on Live, the justintv link says offline.
also, since when is there a justintv link, i thought they had their own player =O
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
November 27 2010 20:43 GMT
#21835
On November 28 2010 05:12 JeeJee wrote:
honcast is confusing
says their stream is live on main page but when i click on Live, the justintv link says offline.
also, since when is there a justintv link, i thought they had their own player =O


They've been moving servers and been live streaming through JTV or Breaky's Ustream.
Chains none
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
November 27 2010 22:02 GMT
#21836
Today i found out that i still have 10 free games on my ACC which i used to using during beta times so i played some games (4 and all wins) but WTF guys ? ppl out there are so mean and stupid ! they argue each other all game long, bitching about everything and i dont even want to play that game with em :X

is it so bad in every stage of game or when i will be 2k is it gonna be better or worst than in 1500 games ?
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 22:43:25
November 27 2010 22:38 GMT
#21837
the better the games get, the lower the odds of people being absolutely incompetent. it never drops below ~10% though unless you play exclusively with friends or in "real" inhouses.
the complete lack of manners and decency persists at any level of play; if you find well-mannered people, consider yourself lucky.

edit:

if you want a tendency for better games, play specific modes and the highest psr available (bd>bp>sd>ap>ar for 1700 and below, bd=bp>ar>sd>ap above according to my experience on EU servers)
also, play at times you wouldnt expect very young people to play - past midnight or early in the morning for servers of the corresponding timezones.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 27 2010 22:58 GMT
#21838
On November 28 2010 07:38 Glull wrote:
the better the games get, the lower the odds of people being absolutely incompetent. it never drops below ~10% though unless you play exclusively with friends or in "real" inhouses.
the complete lack of manners and decency persists at any level of play; if you find well-mannered people, consider yourself lucky.

edit:

if you want a tendency for better games, play specific modes and the highest psr available (bd>bp>sd>ap>ar for 1700 and below, bd=bp>ar>sd>ap above according to my experience on EU servers)
also, play at times you wouldnt expect very young people to play - past midnight or early in the morning for servers of the corresponding timezones.


Sadly the worst offenders also comes on during those times. Scrub mentality is age-independent unfortunately.
Get it by your hands...
DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
November 28 2010 04:53 GMT
#21839
where the inhouses at?
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
November 28 2010 04:56 GMT
#21840
DOTA IHs?
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