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On November 26 2010 06:26 ganjazerg wrote:Show nested quote +btw how does this work with getting people suspended? How much cursing or how much " i stay afk at fountain and move every 5min" is enough to get him suspended? you dont get suspended for being afk and alt tabbing walking around ever 2 minuts to avoid being kicked. you dont get suspended for flaming ever. you can flame as hard as you want. you should not however spam chat with insults, and the one thing that (as i experienced) gets you banned instantly is feeding on purpose. my account is ooooold its just that it got banned so i requested a trial key cos im super addicted to this game.
full list of things that get you banned here:
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/conduct.php
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Riki#2, it's okay, you still got me babe LOL
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Owned some inhouses today. Funny how active map control and smart laning ruins most people's ability to function.
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Here's a stupid question. How exactly are you supposed to gank the sidelanes when you're mid?
For example, a game I just played:
I was Lion mid on Sentinel, lanes were 2-1-2, and I was raping the fuck out of SF. It was like 3-0 at fifteen minutes, and I kept blowing my ult and killing him every time it was up. But, the side lanes were getting raped, and my teammates were constantly asking for a gank.
The problem was, I knew they had warded the river somewhere, and it was clear that any attempt for me to gank from mid was going to be spotted. Ganking top seemed out of question, as even if I tp'd top, seeing as it was daylight, they would've saw it a mile away. Venomancer was bot on Scourge, and was constantly warding the shit out of the forest, so I didn't think I was in any position to gank successfully there easily.
Thinking that the probability of getting a successful gank off*effectiveness of gank was less than the probability of killing SF*effectiveness of raping SF mid, I decided to just keep raping SF mid. But, we lost the side lanes and promptly conceded by the time we got to midgame, with my teammates crying the entire time about how I failed mid by not ever ganking. I couldn't help but agree, but I don't really know how I would have. I started ganking once I got my dagger, as I felt like I finally knew I could get something to work out, but by that time it was really just too late.
So I guess my question is, if the sidelanes can see your mid gank coming from a mile away, and your sidelanes are getting completely raped, what exactly are you supposed to do? Or was the game simply lost at the picking stage with the lanes being bad/players not being up to the same caliber?
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1) counterwarding
2) lane swap with one of your farmers
3) consider a 3-man push if your teammates have any pushing ability, but this is kind of far from optimal
The crux of it is: You're LION! If you've shut down the enemy mid, then leave. It's a terrible waste of your potential to just sit in a lane. Even just camping the forest for a minute or so while waiting for a rune spawn can exert enough pressure to help out your allies a bit.
another note, TP ganks don't have come from fog. If there's any kind of stun or better, stun combo, in the sidelane you can just do an in-your-face TP when the enemy heroes push up against the tower (which they should be doing if they've won the lane handily). TP support can come from the opposite side lane too, if for some crazy reason a Lion is not enough to manufacture a kill.
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get a tp with courier and teleport to gank sidelanes. :|
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I strongly suggest you try the 5 men push mid.
No need to ward/counter ward, no need to gank, no need to swap lanes. Easy and fun.
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You said you were raping mid as lion. 15 minutes in 3-0 and complete control of your lane should be an easy boots bottle blink. Just tp down there and blink on top of them + rape.
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On November 26 2010 14:08 DarkOptik wrote:
Here's a stupid question. How exactly are you supposed to gank the sidelanes when you're mid?
For example, a game I just played:
I was Lion mid on Sentinel, lanes were 2-1-2, and I was raping the fuck out of SF. It was like 3-0 at fifteen minutes, and I kept blowing my ult and killing him every time it was up. But, the side lanes were getting raped, and my teammates were constantly asking for a gank.
The problem was, I knew they had warded the river somewhere, and it was clear that any attempt for me to gank from mid was going to be spotted. Ganking top seemed out of question, as even if I tp'd top, seeing as it was daylight, they would've saw it a mile away. Venomancer was bot on Scourge, and was constantly warding the shit out of the forest, so I didn't think I was in any position to gank successfully there easily.
Thinking that the probability of getting a successful gank off*effectiveness of gank was less than the probability of killing SF*effectiveness of raping SF mid, I decided to just keep raping SF mid. But, we lost the side lanes and promptly conceded by the time we got to midgame, with my teammates crying the entire time about how I failed mid by not ever ganking. I couldn't help but agree, but I don't really know how I would have. I started ganking once I got my dagger, as I felt like I finally knew I could get something to work out, but by that time it was really just too late.
So I guess my question is, if the sidelanes can see your mid gank coming from a mile away, and your sidelanes are getting completely raped, what exactly are you supposed to do? Or was the game simply lost at the picking stage with the lanes being bad/players not being up to the same caliber? you didnt really say what lanes they had either (trilane or duallanes?). priority should be going to the lane that is pushable/gankable (depends on levels lineups blah blah) or has your main carry in it. think about lane mechanics... and remember rune timings, how long obs wards last (6 minutes), remember pushing may help ease off pressure form other lanes
and even if veno poison wards bot sent forest its still enough time to fuck him over majority of the time.
dagger should be gotten always (currently), but if you dont have it by lets say by 14 minutes, you're behind, especially if you're up 3-0. and that is about midgame.
the answer to your last question is it doesnt matter if you are winning mid lane if you're a hero like lion or the skill difference is not vast, the fact is 2 side lanes getting owned = 4 people on their team doing well vs 1 person on your team doing well, you are obviously losing and something should be done about it, and i dont know how skilled your teammates are either
ever played beastmaster mid?
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GM work is soul crushing. 550 pages of tickets and growing. ASDF
Avoiding afk detection by sitting in the fountain/in woods is bannable, don't do it. As for cursing, just don't act like a 12 year old who thinks hes an e-thug and you should be fine.
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That's pretty rough, 550 pages of tickets. I'd say at least 70% of all public games I participate in somebody either rage quits or sits at fountain.
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On November 26 2010 14:08 DarkOptik wrote:
Here's a stupid question. How exactly are you supposed to gank the sidelanes when you're mid?
My personal preference if I was in your shoes, get to 11 (or very close to it). Get your dagger/bottle/treads, gank off of a timely rune. The rune especially is important. Break their easiest to gank lane and 3 man push that tower out.
If you are really owning the shit out of mid like you're implying, I would skip the dagger, get a quick dagon (keeping it at 1) and then surprise gib the fuck out of their team.
It boils down to how far you're ahead and how behind your sides are; then it becomes whether it even matters.
In other words, use your head, there isn't a good singular answer.
Also to the people saying he should kneejerk leave lane, if that SF recovers his farm and catches up, that just means you're gambling your lone advantage.
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honcast is confusing
says their stream is live on main page but when i click on Live, the justintv link says offline.
also, since when is there a justintv link, i thought they had their own player =O
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On November 28 2010 05:12 JeeJee wrote:
honcast is confusing
says their stream is live on main page but when i click on Live, the justintv link says offline.
also, since when is there a justintv link, i thought they had their own player =O
They've been moving servers and been live streaming through JTV or Breaky's Ustream.
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Today i found out that i still have 10 free games on my ACC which i used to using during beta times so i played some games (4 and all wins) but WTF guys ? ppl out there are so mean and stupid ! they argue each other all game long, bitching about everything and i dont even want to play that game with em :X
is it so bad in every stage of game or when i will be 2k is it gonna be better or worst than in 1500 games ?
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the better the games get, the lower the odds of people being absolutely incompetent. it never drops below ~10% though unless you play exclusively with friends or in "real" inhouses.
the complete lack of manners and decency persists at any level of play; if you find well-mannered people, consider yourself lucky.
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if you want a tendency for better games, play specific modes and the highest psr available (bd>bp>sd>ap>ar for 1700 and below, bd=bp>ar>sd>ap above according to my experience on EU servers)
also, play at times you wouldnt expect very young people to play - past midnight or early in the morning for servers of the corresponding timezones.
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On November 28 2010 07:38 Glull wrote:
the better the games get, the lower the odds of people being absolutely incompetent. it never drops below ~10% though unless you play exclusively with friends or in "real" inhouses.
the complete lack of manners and decency persists at any level of play; if you find well-mannered people, consider yourself lucky.
edit:
if you want a tendency for better games, play specific modes and the highest psr available (bd>bp>sd>ap>ar for 1700 and below, bd=bp>ar>sd>ap above according to my experience on EU servers)
also, play at times you wouldnt expect very young people to play - past midnight or early in the morning for servers of the corresponding timezones.
Sadly the worst offenders also comes on during those times. Scrub mentality is age-independent unfortunately.
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EPT
