On December 01 2023 20:50 PVJ wrote:
When I first read that stormgate would like to make the snappiest RTS engine I was imagining great things.

One fact that makes Bw engine better than Sc2 engine was that in Bw, different units have different turning rates (turn as in rotate during movement, not latency settings), in Sc2 everything had the same uniform speed of turning around.

But what do you get with all that snappiness and being able to float through water or whatever, when the end result is this?

Maybe it was indeed atrocious that going up a ramp is taking skill, time, and luck in Sc1 but fixing that is not equal to greater responsivity

Did you see how inefficient that engagement was though? Units in Stormgate are on average bigger and ranged units have shorter ranges. That means big armies don't form the hyper-efficient deathballs they do in SC2. At least in theory, that should mean manual unit control, positioning and splitting the army will be a lot more important in SG. If it works like they are planning, then they would have solved the issues with SC2 pathing without sacrificing smooth unit movement. Doing so would have meant the game is dead on arrival.

One of the issue in the alpha was that it was extremely difficult to select any individual unit to reposition and/or micro so it does still feel very deathbally with the difference being essentially the terrain for how efficient a fight is. A lot of units have secondary abilities but their effect were a bit confusing so a moving was easier once siege units were set up. This was mostly due to camera angle and units being hard to tell apart mid fight due to the attack animation. It s "too flashy" if you will.
This might just be not being used to it though.
Also you can kill trees to widen up the paths, and then it s still deathbally, albeit more like a mech sc2 deathball, size wise.

The more wc3 effect though was units are beefy vs their dps so you can actually disengage if needed (for me sc2 always felt like a battle ending in seconds, as opposed to bw and wc3) which is good.

Wasn't a fan of the economy at all, and i m curious how it ll scale in 3v3.

All normal things to test during alpha and beta versions though

Is that due to unit size/camera distance? Haven’t played it myself but from video footage I’ve seen it looks like it is a bit finicky to do, like trying to pick up a small object with tweezers for want of a better analogy.

Units like the dog scout guys especially as they’re very small combined with the default camera distance. While the actual units do seem to be pretty dang fluid and responsive, if actually selecting them accurately is tricky it’s going to limit interactions that are theoretically possible.

Just my 2 cents from viewing some gameplay, but I’ve yet to get my hands on it myself to really verify my hunch on this.

Yeah basically early game scout is ok as there are few units, but once armies get into midsize it s hard with the camera

@spartak this is all public info, you see it in videos they release, including the one cicada posted or for the difficulty in seeing stuff in battle PVJ screenshot

_Spartak_

Turkey459 Posts

December 04 2023 05:58 GMT

#1124

There are some things you said that are not public info but I am gonna leave it at that.

WGT-Baal

France3509 Posts

December 04 2023 18:35 GMT

#1125

It wasn't my intention so my apologies if that was the case. I rephrased it

_Spartak_

Turkey459 Posts

December 04 2023 19:45 GMT

#1126

All good

_Spartak_

Turkey459 Posts

December 05 2023 06:49 GMT

#1127

They shared the streaming schedule for the closed beta:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/s/K75jcLAD5D

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17707 Posts

December 05 2023 07:30 GMT

#1128

Stormgate received some harsh and sometimes unfair criticism in the Digital Foundry interview. They didn't delete any of the comments. Frost Giant and Digital Foundry deserve credit for maintaining transparency and refusing to dodge criticism even when its unfair.

Good Luck to Frost Giant with their big reveal this week!

I hope they keep the Dogs in the game... they're an essential part of any good RTS.

Harris1st

Germany7326 Posts

December 05 2023 13:01 GMT

#1129

On December 05 2023 15:49 _Spartak_ wrote:
They shared the streaming schedule for the closed beta:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/s/K75jcLAD5D

This is neat! Will definitely try to tune in to Grubby today!

Fango

United Kingdom8987 Posts

December 05 2023 17:22 GMT

#1130

On December 05 2023 15:49 _Spartak_ wrote:
They shared the streaming schedule for the closed beta:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/s/K75jcLAD5D

I'll be tuning into Grubby but having Esfand and Asmongold on this is fantastic for viewership. Hopefully they have good things to say

_Spartak_

Turkey459 Posts

December 05 2023 19:16 GMT

#1131

Kickstarter is launched:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stormgate/stormgate

(and $100k funding goal reached in 14 minutes lol)

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17707 Posts

December 05 2023 19:21 GMT

#1132

Asmongold appears to be offline.
uhh Asmongold is playing WoW. LOL.
https://www.twitch.tv/zackrawrr

Esfand is also playin WoW and not playing Stormgate.

This probably explains why guys like Asmongold and Esfand are not playing. Here is Frost Giant's statement:
"Frost Giant is a small team with a limited budget–no one has asked for payment and everyone is doing this out of genuine support of the future of RTS. We are incredibly grateful."

Waxangel

United States33665 Posts

December 05 2023 19:50 GMT

#1133

On December 06 2023 04:16 _Spartak_ wrote:
Kickstarter is launched:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stormgate/stormgate

(and $100k funding goal reached in 14 minutes lol)

Considering helping out a poor website and use our affiliate link if you're going to fund the kickstarter

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JimmyJRaynor

Canada17707 Posts

December 05 2023 19:56 GMT

#1134

Grubby's Stream of Stormgate is fantastic. Does the infernal faction exist in the game now?

Kyhol

Canada2575 Posts

December 05 2023 21:10 GMT

#1135

ASoo

2866 Posts

December 05 2023 21:14 GMT

#1136

Technical difficulties D:

StasisField

United States1086 Posts

December 05 2023 23:40 GMT

#1137

I don't have much free time to play today but they gave players access to coop mode and that's what I've been waiting to try since they announced it, so I played one game of coop today on my lunch break. It was so much fun and I can't wait to see them build the rest of it out. There is one hero available to use named Blockade and he felt really fun to use. He's a melee hero with 4 abilities: a single target heal (with no cooldown, wonder if that'll change), a leap attack that damages enemies and applies shields to allies, an aoe spin attack, and a mass teleport with a 180 (I think?) second cooldown. The spells consumed mana/energy and they were all available to the hero from the start. You can also still cast other abilities while using the aoe spin attack which felt really nice. They also gave players the option to play as the base Vanguard and Infernals factions without any heroes or modified units or structures so at least for now you don't have to play as one of the coop mode factions or use the heroes that comes with them which I think is a great option for players to have. I'm excited to play more when I have some free time this week.