EPTOn June 22 2026 00:32 _Spartak_ wrote:
Not reading all of that. I am happy for you though or sorry that happened.
Not reading all of that. I am happy for you though or sorry that happened.
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ChillFlame
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Fleetfeet
Canada2759 Posts
On June 22 2026 00:22 ChillFlame wrote: How do you discuss things if a mod abuses their power to bury your message under dozens of giant pictures, and times you if you get too unhappy about it? SG Discord server has the most useless, toothless, bootlicking criticism. You may discuss tree models or skill visual effects and say they are too bright or something, you're fine to go. Could these changes have saved the game? Of course not! People who criticized the objectively disastrous initial art style were buried in hateful comments. Could replacing Jesse Brophy earlier have saved the game? I don't believe so, but it could have. But these feedback posts/messages were annihilated (not without your involvement). Want to discuss any disrespectful/unethical behavior of the devs? Haha, good luck, Delirious guy and his friends will show up and tell you to "Shut the fuck up and fuck off" (that's the quote), and he won't get banned. Sincere communication is essential for the success of a community-funded game. Silencing people who demand it is terrible for the game. But of course, positivity is more important than honesty. I ask you to read that Mengsk quote again and try to understand what it means. The real critique of the game is only in your head, not on the Discord server. Since the early beta, every hard critique post that did not fit into the narrative was clowned upon, sometimes people got insulted personally (without any repercussions, of course). You may pretend there is criticism, but it won't change the reality. People avoid your server because of the toxic positivity. This is a damn meme. Everybody knows this. P.S. How do you feel about being in the first ten people who damaged the game with their public statements the most? Not quite Tim 'Wildly Inaccurate' Morten, but still. If you wanted SG to succeed, you should've refrained from commenting. Loud people who abuse their power to promote their game aggressively and argue at every opportunity are never beneficial, only harmful. Wait so changing the colour of the trees would not have saved Stormgate, but Spartak being a better mod might have? Dang. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27029 Posts
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Gargonus
36 Posts
On June 22 2026 00:32 _Spartak_ wrote: Not reading all of that. I am happy for you though or sorry that happened. So funny to read that from the same person who wrote "half of whose 20 comments made over the course of 14 years are about me." or "you can refer to the last 20 or so pages of this thread" Also the fact that he reacted mere hours after that screenshot shows that despite all his loathing about "circlejerks" he still loves being here and lurking :D So what is it Sparty ? Do you read or don't you read ? As usual, bad faith hypocrite. You only read when it is convenient for you. You are your own circlejerk of 1 person. Too bad you lost 500 bucks, you could have bought some friends with that. Have fun wanking :D | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey455 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9313 Posts
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Kneeb4r
Canada21 Posts
On June 22 2026 06:25 Sent. wrote: I don't know what happened but all these SCV posters are making a terrible case for themselves. You made these accounts purely to hate on Stormgate developers on a subforum of a nearly dead Starcraft community site. The petty loser energy completely neutralizes whatever you wanted to say about that failed project. Stormgate devs made dozens of terrible choices and you still somehow managed to make yourself look like even dumber people. I'd tell you to grow up but it's too late for that. You know who really made a terrible case for themselves? Tim Morten, Spartak, and the supporters of Stormgate. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17640 Posts
On June 22 2026 06:25 Sent. wrote: I'd tell you to grow up but it's too late for that. Colonel Sanders didn't start his first KFC franchise until he was 62. | ||
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Slydie
1946 Posts
On June 22 2026 09:11 Kneeb4r wrote: You know who really made a terrible case for themselves? Tim Morten, Spartak, and the supporters of Stormgate. I think the story of this game is first of all a tragedy for the RTS community. When Stormgate was announced, I think the community was somewhere between mildly curious to outright fanboys. Then, the cracks were showing, and people started turning on the game. JuggernautJason was firmly in the fanboy category, and he committed to streaming the game. Eventually, he gave up, and posted a video with harsh criticism. The feeling of disappointment and even betrayal is powerful, and this is not a bad place for venting. Personally, I never had high expectations, and thought the first gameplay videos looked terrible, so it was ok. I was actually more sad about Battle Aces bombing. It turns out making a good RTS game is really hard, and takes a very long time! | ||
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Berstis
40 Posts
On June 22 2026 14:13 Slydie wrote: I think the story of this game is first of all a tragedy for the RTS community. When Stormgate was announced, I think the community was somewhere between mildly curious to outright fanboys. Then, the cracks were showing, and people started turning on the game. JuggernautJason was firmly in the fanboy category, and he committed to streaming the game. Eventually, he gave up, and posted a video with harsh criticism. The feeling of disappointment and even betrayal is powerful, and this is not a bad place for venting. Personally, I never had high expectations, and thought the first gameplay videos looked terrible, so it was ok. I was actually more sad about Battle Aces bombing. It turns out making a good RTS game is really hard, and takes a very long time! There is absolutely nothing tragic about this thing. They presented all the warning signs from the get go: EX-BLIZZARD STARCRAFT WARCRAFT WE PROMISE YOU EVERYTHING CHECK OUT OUR TWITTER, ITS TACO TUESDAY LOL Con Artist 101. We promise you everything, we have nothing to show, give us money. Kickstarter should be held responsible for providing a platform for this kind of shit | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7258 Posts
On June 22 2026 06:25 Sent. wrote: I don't know what happened but all these SCV posters are making a terrible case for themselves. You made these accounts purely to hate on Stormgate developers on a subforum of a nearly dead Starcraft community site. The petty loser energy completely neutralizes whatever you wanted to say about that failed project. Stormgate devs made dozens of terrible choices and you still somehow managed to make yourself look like even dumber people. I'd tell you to grow up but it's too late for that. I second that. I occasionally post here cause I am interested in the general RTS world but the last 3-4 pages here are just toxic. This thread should be closed | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4339 Posts
On June 22 2026 18:17 Harris1st wrote: I second that. I occasionally post here cause I am interested in the general RTS world but the last 3-4 pages here are just toxic. This thread should be closed Agreed. My backseat modding view on this if the current trend continues and doesnt stop soonish would be.... If the game is dead and uplayable as of now? There is no point in having people from across the web coming to TL to bicker their pains from other platforms. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3513 Posts
Tim is very much inferring the game is alive and playable and worth your money! ;} | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17640 Posts
On June 22 2026 19:44 Gescom wrote: You can still purchase the campaign for $33CAD on Steam right now while they 'transition to offline'. Tim is very much inferring the game is alive and playable and worth your money! ;} at least the game will be preserved. and if some people enjoy playing it i think that is great. 1980 Intellivision Horse Racing still gets played online. The action starts @ 2 hours and 17 minutes. It is a weekly event on the Intellivision Gamer show. They are clearly having fun. My favourite old time game is Tecmo Bowl... and i'm hardly alone. Check out this TV commercial involving Tecmo Bowl some 28 years after its release. The Super Tecmo Bowl came so far into the NES's lifespan that many people has sold their NES by the time it came out. They had to rebuy the NES and then get the game. When Bo Jackson says "again" to Brian "The Boz" Bosworth he is referring to this play. 1991's Tecmo Bowl still has in person competitive events held every year some 35 years later. I wonder how many people who worked on it are still alive? Where will Stormgate be in 2062?  On June 22 2026 16:02 Berstis wrote: Con Artist 101. We promise you everything, we have nothing to show, give us money. Kickstarter should be held responsible for providing a platform for this kind of shit relax dawg. part of the fun of the video game industry is how sleazy and slimey it is. Interestingly, it replaced and overtook the Pinball machine industry in the 1970s which was just as sleazey and slimey. i disagree that KS should be held responsible. if they were.. then Kickstarter has to spend so much of its resources researching every claim the platform is no longer viable. I say, Caveat Emptor. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey455 Posts
On June 22 2026 19:44 Gescom wrote: Pretty sure campaign is playable right now. What is being worked on is P2P support for multiplayer.You can still purchase the campaign for $33CAD on Steam right now while they 'transition to offline'. Tim is very much inferring the game is alive and playable and worth your money! ;} | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17640 Posts
On June 22 2026 22:22 _Spartak_ wrote: Pretty sure campaign is playable right now. What is being worked on is P2P support for multiplayer. will P2P include the Snowball Netcode rollback features that made Stormgate the highest tick rate RTS engine ever made? when GiantFrost introduced all these great low latency features for the game they should've licensed Space Odyssey 2001 to be playing in the background while the employees gushed over it. "introducing the greatest innovation in Computer Gaming since Douglas Engenbert invented the mouse in 1968.... brought to you by the great men who made Starcraft, Diablo, and World of Warcraft..." | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27029 Posts
On June 22 2026 18:29 KobraKay wrote: Agreed. My backseat modding view on this if the current trend continues and doesnt stop soonish would be.... If the game is dead and uplayable as of now? There is no point in having people from across the web coming to TL to bicker their pains from other platforms. Would also generally agree, it’s not even flogging a dead horse but the skeleton of one. And people have made accounts here almost exclusively to do that. I think there’s room to discuss the various lessons and the cautionary tale that is Stormgate in the General RTS discussion thread or whatever it’s called I don’t think it’s particularly fair on Spartak either to have half the thread activity now seemingly being people who came here specifically to shit on him. Sure criticise and disagree by all means but it feels a bit much in my book | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1182 Posts
On June 22 2026 23:52 WombaT wrote: Would also generally agree, it’s not even flogging a dead horse but the skeleton of one. And people have made accounts here almost exclusively to do that. I think there’s room to discuss the various lessons and the cautionary tale that is Stormgate in the General RTS discussion thread or whatever it’s called I don’t think it’s particularly fair on Spartak either to have half the thread activity now seemingly being people who came here specifically to shit on him. Sure criticise and disagree by all means but it feels a bit much in my book To me, the Stormgate saga is endlessly fascinating, despite it being basically over since the end of April 2026 when the servers went offline. I feel like the reason to keep "beating the dead horse" here on tl.net is that while the story of Stormgate may be over, the desire for the "triumphant return of RTS" lingers on. And that makes this "nearly dead" website (as someone so eloquently put it) the perfect place to have this never-ending post-Morten, er, post-mortem. The level of anger in the Spartak arguments isn't just about people wanting to beat up on a Reddit and Discord moderator. It feels like it's a lot more than that. I have a sense that people are angry, not just at Spartak, but at all the people like him. The people who, by their own inexhaustible force of will, tried to "make Stormgate happen" even when it was abundantly clear that it wasn't going to happen. The folks who tried to shut down discussion about the very questionable and unethical things that Frost Giant leadership were doing (and then later, when things got much worse, pretended that they had never done so). Let's take Zerospace as a counter-example. Suppose (and I hope this doesn't happen, but just for the sake of argument) Zerospace comes out and it fails, the company disbands because there isn't enough money, development stops, and the servers shut down. Would people be angry at CatZ? Would people have vendettas against Zerospace Reddit and Discord moderators? No, of course not. The very idea is laughable. Or to take something that isn't theoretical, what about Battle Aces? Nobody is mad at David Kim for trying to make a cool new RTS and failing. Nobody is angry at former Battle Aces moderators. So we have Stormgate as a unique case, one worthy of study on its own. I'm not sure we're going to learn very much, but I don't see why we have to stop. And hey, what if Tim finally gets that $5 million to make a new RTS game? (pauses for uncontrollable laughter) What then? Although having said that, discussion on the Stormgate Reddit sure seems to have stopped. Zero new posts or even new comments in a week. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5468 Posts
Even looking at Zerospace stuff on YouTube - I noticed "This is so much better than Stormgate!" comments. The amount of (negative) attention Stormgate still gets is wild to me. I really don't know why people don't just move on. There's been very little to talk about for months and months and months... | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey455 Posts
On June 23 2026 02:36 Jeremy Reimer wrote: Let's take Zerospace as a counter-example. Suppose (and I hope this doesn't happen, but just for the sake of argument) Zerospace comes out and it fails, the company disbands because there isn't enough money, development stops, and the servers shut down. Would people be angry at CatZ? Would people have vendettas against Zerospace Reddit and Discord moderators? No, of course not. The very idea is laughable. Or to take something that isn't theoretical, what about Battle Aces? Nobody is mad at David Kim for trying to make a cool new RTS and failing. Nobody is angry at former Battle Aces moderators. It is because those people have never cared about ZeroSpace or BattleAces except using them as a stick to beat Stormgate with. Not to mention Stormgate got at least 10 times more traction than both games, which means bigger expectations, which means bigger disappointment, which means bigger backlash. Guilty as charged as to trying to "make Stormgate happen" though. I fully believed and still believe it was the last chance of a Blizzard-style RTS to be a massive success. Turns out that was probably impossible. Oh well. | ||
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