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Kneeb4r
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_Spartak_
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On June 20 2026 06:51 Gargonus wrote: No threat, just a warning instead of an outright ban as I am such a magnanimous mod. You are free to express your thoughts, so it makes it even more puzzling for you to run away to your fellow circlejerkers here instead of speaking your mind on discord.Much more, I love how you threaten me for daring express my thoughts on two platforms at once On June 20 2026 09:29 Kneeb4r wrote: Spartak is an unhinged lunatic. I hope he gets help. Thank you for your concern well-adjusted person, half of whose 20 comments made over the course of 14 years are about me. | ||
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ChillFlame
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On June 20 2026 18:08 _Spartak_ wrote: No threat, just a warning instead of an outright ban as I am such a magnanimous mod. You are free to express your thoughts, so it makes it even more puzzling for you to run away to your fellow circlejerkers here instead of speaking your mind on discord. me. Why do circlejerkers always gather where you don't have moderation power? Coincidence? P.S. There are two groups of people. A few active fans on SG Discord server and hundreds of SG haters on Reddit, Steam, TL, YouTube, etc. Which of the groups is circlejerking? :D | ||
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_Spartak_
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where you don't have moderation power SG haters on Reddit | ||
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ChillFlame
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You tried your best :D Turns out there were more haters than bullets. Also, would you mind voicing your opinion which of the groups is better defined by "circlejerkers"? Random people on different platforms or people who know eachother on a single heavily moderated platform? How in your opinion people on Steam circlejerk with people on TL.net and YouTube? | ||
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_Spartak_
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ChillFlame
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On June 20 2026 21:38 _Spartak_ wrote: Nah, you messed up. But thanks for admitting we don't suppress criticism and subreddit is full of "haters" as a result. Would you answer my questions first? How come people who don't know each other on different platforms (some of them aren't heavily moderated) are circlejerkers? How come people who know each other, talk to each other every day on a heavily moderated platform are not circlejerkers? Let's not forget, some of them do have financial incentive to defend the devs. | ||
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_Spartak_
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ChillFlame
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On June 20 2026 22:42 _Spartak_ wrote: You can direct your enquiries about circlejerking to people beating a dead horse for months and keeping this thread alive. They seem to be the experts on that topic. So, first you try to cherrypick one of the platforms, without explaining how this is relevant to your point. Then you say I messed up without any argumentation, then you refuse to explain your claims for circlejerking haters. Have a good one, buddy, I'm sure you win 100% of arguments in your head :D Others might have a different picture, tho | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On June 20 2026 22:42 _Spartak_ wrote: You can direct your enquiries about circlejerking to like-minded people beating a dead horse for months and keeping this thread alive. They seem to be the experts on that topic. Dead Horse? it is alive right now. https://www.twitch.tv/stormgatearchive it is a fun topic. i must acknowledge though my favourite album cover art of all time is Led Zeppelin 1. It is a photo of the Hindenberg going down in flames. the Hindenburg was widely regarded as one of the safest and most advanced forms of long-distance travel in the world. sometimes even german engineering fails.  Ok, guys I'm out for the rest of the day.. no more screen time for me. | ||
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Gargonus
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On June 20 2026 18:08 _Spartak_ wrote: No threat, just a warning instead of an outright ban as I am such a magnanimous mod. You are free to express your thoughts, so it makes it even more puzzling for you to run away to your fellow circlejerkers here instead of speaking your mind on discord. You are such a lonely little clown, I swear xD Sure, feel free to ignore half my original message, as you usually do because it's so convenient lmao I have always expressed my thoughts on Discord (for example during and even after the conversation I screenshot). You should also remember since you and I had extended debates there. There is also Reddit where you even deleted some of my messages or banned me for them. Still don't remember ? Yup, since as someone said previously, you just cherry-pick what works for you. You are just a hypocrite guy and you reek of bad faith. The funniest of this all is that you talk of "circle-jerking". Ironically, everyone on Reddit, on TL and even many on Discord agree with us that SG is an unsalvageable wreck. There is only a handful of deluded people on Discord praying for a comeback whilst spewing inconsistent stuff. I spite of all that has been shown about FG over the years and the current situation of FG and SG. I particularly like the daily "I love Stormgate !!!" guy. I heard somewhere that he poured even more money than you into this so I guess it makes sense. And with all that, YOU call US a circle-jerk ? lmao I'll also add that it is known on all these platforms, an even on Youtube, that you are a joke of a moderator. You mention talks about you as if it were praise. But sadly even this wasn't enough to ring a bell in your brain. Give up logic, it's certainly not for you. | ||
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_Spartak_
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since you and I had extended debates there. Yes because I (or other moderators) don't ban people for disagreeing with me or being critical of the game. Discord (and subreddit) have been full of people who held different opinions on the game, meaning it is not a circlejerk environment. Thanks for making the case for me. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Labelling people as "haters" when they get angry at fraud like the $150M valuation is an effective deflection tactic. Had the company gone from $150M to $0M in a year then it appears to be fraud. If Tim can string things along for a year constantly posting a flurry of cock and bull stores and play around for another year .. going from $150M to the reality of $0M looks less like fraud. Every month Tim kept yapping on linkedin he was muddying the waters. The faster Storm Frost goes from a valuation of $150M to the reality of $0M the more it looks like fraud. The bigger the "revenue miss" the more it looks like fraud. Its 1 thing to project $12M in revenue and bring in $10M than it is to project $12M and bring in $0.2M. Tim Morten's big buddy Rob Pardo is way better at this game. He didn't try to get KickStarter money. OK, no more screens for me for the rest of the day. | ||
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ChillFlame
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On June 21 2026 21:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote: "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.", self appointed Emperor Arcturus Mengsk March 2500 Labelling people as "haters" when they get angry at fraud like the $150M valuation is an effective deflection tactic. Yeah, you don't have to ban every negative person. You just ban a couple of the most active, and suddenly no one presses the issue. No one asks for refunds or for Tim to comment on his fake reviews. As for labeling uncontent people as haters, I think it may have started as a tactic to deflect criticism and save some face. Don't forget Tim himself called people "detractors", lol. Also, don't forget he posted stuff like this https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1awehs9/i_only_hit_you_because_i_love_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button But it was so lame, and it definitely could not balance disastrous business and development decisions, so it stopped being a damage control mechanism and became a coping mechanism. The more copium fans consumed, the more they distanced themselves from "haters" and from reality, the more copium they needed to consume. That's why the whole damn RTS community is circlejerkers, and 50 people on the Discord server aren't. It sounds so absurd, because the usual explanations like Tencent sabotaging FG or haters review-bombing SG were not sufficient anymore. | ||
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ChillFlame
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Remember when Fluffy made the poor employees write the fake reviews? There was another wave of bot reviews from China shortly after. It was ~50% positive, slightly ahead of the game's score. What do you think it was? It happened only once. | ||
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_Spartak_
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On June 21 2026 21:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I am not the one that brought up haters in this conversation (although there have of course been haters of Stormgate/Frost Giant from the start as you well know).Labelling people as "haters" when they get angry at fraud like the $150M valuation is an effective deflection tactic. SG haters on Reddit, Steam, TL, YouTube, etc. And then I referred to them as such using quotation marks: we don't suppress criticism and subreddit is full of "haters" as a result. Whatever you call them, it is obvious that reddit and discord had (and still has) people who have been very critical of Stormgate. So it is not a circlejerking environment. For such circlejerking activities, you can refer to the last 20 or so pages of this thread where like-minded people are going back and forth beating a dead horse. Hope this helps clarify things up. | ||
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ChillFlame
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On June 21 2026 22:36 _Spartak_ wrote: Whatever you call them, it is obvious that reddit and discord had (and still has) people who have been very critical of Stormgate. So it is not a circlejerking environment. For such circlejerking activities, you can refer to the last 20 or so pages of this thread where like-minded people are going back and forth beating a dead horse. Hope this helps clarify things up. Wanna remind you what happened after the "Fluffy" incident? There was no official commentary for a while, so random people from all around came to your server asking for clarification. Fake reviews are totally relevant and serious issue. One of your moderators literally spammed giant food pictures in the general channel to suppress the questions. Your mod literally broke your server rules to suppress the criticizm. Was this mod demoted? Of course not, but some of the folks who were not happy about such disrespect were banned. How to characterize this case? I'll leave it to the others. | ||
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_Spartak_
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ChillFlame
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On June 21 2026 23:48 _Spartak_ wrote: Those handful of Steam reviews from a few dev accounts have been discussed extensively on the discord and the subreddit because, again, they are not circlejerking environments and they include people with differing opinions on things. How do you discuss things if a mod abuses their power to bury your message under dozens of giant pictures, and times you if you get too unhappy about it? SG Discord server has the most useless, toothless, bootlicking criticism. You may discuss tree models or skill visual effects and say they are too bright or something, you're fine to go. Could these changes have saved the game? Of course not! People who criticized the objectively disastrous initial art style were buried in hateful comments. Could replacing Jesse Brophy earlier have saved the game? I don't believe so, but it could have. But these feedback posts/messages were annihilated (not without your involvement). Want to discuss any disrespectful/unethical behavior of the devs? Haha, good luck, Delirious guy and his friends will show up and tell you to "Shut the fuck up and fuck off" (that's the quote), and he won't get banned. Sincere communication is essential for the success of a community-funded game. Silencing people who demand it is terrible for the game. But of course, positivity is more important than honesty. I ask you to read that Mengsk quote again and try to understand what it means. The real critique of the game is only in your head, not on the Discord server. Since the early beta, every hard critique post that did not fit into the narrative was clowned upon, sometimes people got insulted personally (without any repercussions, of course). You may pretend there is criticism, but it won't change the reality. People avoid your server because of the toxic positivity. This is a damn meme. Everybody knows this. P.S. How do you feel about being in the first ten people who damaged the game with their public statements the most? Not quite Tim 'Wildly Inaccurate' Morten, but still. If you wanted SG to succeed, you should've refrained from commenting. Loud people who abuse their power to promote their game aggressively and argue at every opportunity are never beneficial, only harmful. | ||
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