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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
On October 23 2020 03:24 Manit0u wrote: Around $50 for SC2 at the moment I believe. It wasn't so cheap at release though, most of their titles are full priced AAA games so are $60 at launch. Isnt SC2 f2p now? Unless u mean campaign | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17774 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 22 2020 02:34 nimdil wrote: SC2 succeeded because it was "SC" and because it came out when neither LoL nor Dota2 was in position to massively drain viewerbase. I'm not convinved that esports orientation was really that big of a factor, and I suspect it kind of inhibited growth of playerbase. Each massively popular esport title has it's own path. I have serious doubts whether sc2-like RTS game can really contend with games like LoL or Dota2 or CS:GO in popularity without reinventing the genre. Maybe s.t. like WC3 but team-based. I'm curious how you reach this conclusion and don't go the step further that mobas are the reinventing of the RTS genre that cut out the less desirable parts. Balance is a lot easier to manage when all the players have access to the same heroes. There is a fine art to asymmetrical advantages of different races in RTS, but this is typically covered by heroes having different timings, strengths, and weaknesses. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2020 09:24 Manit0u wrote: I think SC2 will go F2P sometime next month. And yeah, I meant the campaign too (price of a full game if you will, not just a part of it). To be fair, the WoL campaign is already F2P, and I think that is a tremendous value for being free and is a great introduction for new players. I don't think making the other campaigns F2P will help with player base growth or retention all that much to make up for the lost revenue. I think the current F2P system is already fairly generous with the amount of content and features it offers. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
new blizzard the best blizzard! | ||
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greenturtle23
86 Posts
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Those days are long over. RTS had it's time in the sun. I find it highly unlikely another RTS will compete globally. Only market place I can see it ramping it up is China. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2759 Posts
Basically, there's a lot to learn about what people enjoy from the RTS genre from the dearth of custom maps, and I think you need those 'custom maps' to lure people in to playing the 'actual game'. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On October 26 2020 02:12 StarStruck wrote: RTS competing with other games like F2P, MOBAS etc. Those days are long over. RTS had it's time in the sun. I find it highly unlikely another RTS will compete globally. Only market place I can see it ramping it up is China. I think the idea is to shift the standards and have an appropriate business model and expectations. It's not going to be a huge stadium filling esport, but I think its going to have a niche appeal. Like, look at Total War fans, they're getting new games, CA isn't going to abandon the genre. We need a studio like that. Or I suppose the most analogous thing to RTS games is fighting games. I think for RTS to survive, developers and the community should look to fighting games since that's the closest thing to us. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17774 Posts
On October 26 2020 13:22 lestye wrote: I think the idea is to shift the standards and have an appropriate business model and expectations. It's not going to be a huge stadium filling esport, but I think its going to have a niche appeal. Like, look at Total War fans, they're getting new games, CA isn't going to abandon the genre. We need a studio like that. Or I suppose the most analogous thing to RTS games is fighting games. I think for RTS to survive, developers and the community should look to fighting games since that's the closest thing to us. What everyone should look up to has already been done. Unfortunately at the time it was introduced it was way ahead of the times and didn't get enough traction. We need a modern-day version of Savage. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States998 Posts
On October 26 2020 14:18 Manit0u wrote: What everyone should look up to has already been done. Unfortunately at the time it was introduced it was way ahead of the times and didn't get enough traction. We need a modern-day version of Savage. If I had to pick an existing system to be redone, I would love to see the card system from AoE3 brought back. If you're unaware, it allows for major strategic decisions tied to xp, which you get for everything (building units/buildings, gathering resources, killing enemy units, and also strategic points that you can invest in to take advantage of). It was a fantastic system that allowed for very interesting strategies and another resource to manage. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17774 Posts
On October 27 2020 02:02 Monochromatic wrote: If I had to pick an existing system to be redone, I would love to see the card system from AoE3 brought back. If you're unaware, it allows for major strategic decisions tied to xp, which you get for everything (building units/buildings, gathering resources, killing enemy units, and also strategic points that you can invest in to take advantage of). It was a fantastic system that allowed for very interesting strategies and another resource to manage. Something like commander abilities in CoH? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10759 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 27 2020 05:36 Manit0u wrote: Something like commander abilities in CoH? Similar, but I feel like the power levels are completely different. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On October 27 2020 11:25 TelecoM wrote: How long until a preview of the up and coming RTS will be released? This is super hype. It looks like they were just founded so 1-3 years? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On October 27 2020 02:02 Monochromatic wrote: The problem with that kind of system is that it takes away from the point have buildings in the first place: that it is possible to scout a tech or tech path and respond to that tech and tech path with all the resulting attempt to scout, hide or mislead your tech.If I had to pick an existing system to be redone, I would love to see the card system from AoE3 brought back. If you're unaware, it allows for major strategic decisions tied to xp, which you get for everything (building units/buildings, gathering resources, killing enemy units, and also strategic points that you can invest in to take advantage of). It was a fantastic system that allowed for very interesting strategies and another resource to manage. | ||
nimdil
Poland3764 Posts
On October 23 2020 11:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I'm curious how you reach this conclusion and don't go the step further that mobas are the reinventing of the RTS genre that cut out the less desirable parts. Balance is a lot easier to manage when all the players have access to the same heroes. There is a fine art to asymmetrical advantages of different races in RTS, but this is typically covered by heroes having different timings, strengths, and weaknesses. I can see MOBAs as reinvention of RTS but that's reinvention beyond recognition (almost). The RTSes as they currently exist are not really as popular to watch. Perhaps it's due to the amount of how many things are happening across the map. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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