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WinterWoes
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Mensol
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wish FURIA qualified instead them tho, really wanted to see yuurih and ksc playing against big boys. | ||
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Oukka
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On the positive we get to see (i mean if the stream opens i might also get to see >·<) liquid play with taco and practised setups and strategies | ||
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Mensol
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On May 16 2018 03:37 Mensol wrote: It looks like OpTic are going to get 16-0'd by Astralis D: hey they didn't do any worse than C9 | ||
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On May 16 2018 21:31 Ragnarork wrote: How in hell are heroic winning even maps in this tournament? group stages have been a little weird the last few tournaments. look at iem sydney: tyloo and renegades going 1 and 2 in their group, sk getting eliminated by grayhounds. now we have heroic and sharks taking maps off teams they really shouldn't. it seems to sort itself out by the playoff bracket. let's see how things play out today! | ||
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Other than that, I think we're potentially seeing the effects of the lack of practice for the teams that have a LAN every other week or so. But yeah, I don't think there's been a better time to be an underdog, in recent years. | ||
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heroic 2-0 vs c9 is quite amazing | ||
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Ragnarork
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At this point I'd like to see North being dismantled and the best players sent to these teams to improve them. I.e. Kjaerbye / valde to either Optic / Heroic. | ||
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Rebs
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On May 17 2018 18:47 Ragnarork wrote: Both Heroic and OpTic are delivering more than what could be expected from them (OpTic being least surprising). At this point I'd like to see North being dismantled and the best players sent to these teams to improve them. I.e. Kjaerbye / valde to either Optic / Heroic. I dont know about that, its a bit to much of a flash in the pan for me to say they are up there yet. Even if it isnt, Optics roster is solid enough roster with the additions, maybe you could add a Valde for a gade. Heroic has always had upset potential and one could argue the reason they are doing as well as they are is precisely because of the personel they have and adding a Valde/Kjaerbye may upset the balance | ||
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Also true that all this might just be a flash in the pan, though I'd believe it's not and it won't just be a fluke. | ||
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Kipsate
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what the hell | ||
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Ragnarork
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On May 18 2018 05:17 Kipsate wrote: Why is Stewie on SK, why is Optic Danish what the hell Oh hi, it seems your cryo-cycle is over. Welcome to a new era of CS.  | ||
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Faruko
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 go jugi! | ||
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Faruko
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but ropz, man i haven't seen ropz THIS BAD, and oscar is missing and missing shots. | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
And Rain pretty much solo wrecking SK every other round. The teams are pretty evenly matched otherwise. But every play he has made has been electric. And frankly even if you took Rain out of the equation, SK is just getting out dueled more often than the should be at critical points. Fer and Cold shouldnt be losing advantageous duels to Xist and Karrigan as often as they are. nothing super tactical going on here. Ez 2-0 for Faze | ||
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On May 19 2018 05:44 Rebs wrote: And on the flipside, Karrigan is outskilling SK players. And Rain pretty much solo wrecking SK every other round. The teams are pretty evenly matched otherwise. But every play he has made has been electric. And frankly even if you took Rain out of the equation, SK is just getting out dueled more often than the should be at critical points. Fer and Cold shouldnt be losing advantageous duels to Xist and Karrigan as often as they are. nothing super tactical going on here. Ez 2-0 for Faze SK CT is a completely differnet team from SK terroist. | ||
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SK have been offering up space on A easy and a drilled team should be able to overwhelm overpass after bathrooms control with no losses and minimal utility usage. They've been unaware or disregarded alot of T boost attempts even when there isn't really anything else or even presense to worry about on B. Try that against Astralis and they will tear you an asshole over and over again (which they did) Not a great game. And yeah, a sloppy round to end it aswell. I wouldnt even say it has anything to do with the side. Unless you can point to something specific that they are doing better on CT side compared to T side. I think its more a fail on Faze's part that the game went this long. SK didnt look good even on some of the rounds they won. Which I suppose is Kudo's to some of the individual plays. Not convincing though. | ||
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was looking forward them to lose in final again meh. | ||
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phagga
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So... how many rounds will Liquid get this time? | ||
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On May 20 2018 07:20 Ragnarork wrote: If the same astralis show up tomorrow, I'll be super happy each time Liquid gets a round. And that might not happen often. Yeah Astralis got cocky at Sydney, if anything that might actually have been the best thing that couldve happened to them because now they are basically as sharp as you can get. Getting Magisk has been a revelation for them. Thanks Kjab Glaive has hit a rather high spell of form again which was their key to dominance end of 16 early 17. A cerebral ingame leader that is that good at his main role and that can frag hasnt been a thing since Fallen lost form. | ||
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Faruko
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Mensol
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astralis are so good that its scary. | ||
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phagga
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Edit: I mean they only won a map so far but vs this Astralis it feels like they won the fricking tournament. | ||
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phagga
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Good showing by Liquid, they had the chances to win a second map on both nuke and inferno. A shame that it did not work out. | ||
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On May 22 2018 19:38 Ragnarork wrote: I feel this iteration of TL can go a long way and become a very very scary team. Hopefully a trophy in a short/medium while. They have a good shot at Starseries 5 next week. With only 5 Top10-Teams attending (Navi, NIP, SK, Mouse and Liquid), they are one of the favourites to win it. | ||
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On May 23 2018 21:52 Ragnarork wrote: Yup, I think it's mostly mouz and Na'Vi that could be up there as well (and mostly if mouz get their shit together). I can't rule out SK. Normally I wouldgive a new team 30-40 days and after that I don't expect much improvement. However, the sum of the parts based on long-term data of the five players is very high plus they have showed they can play well as a team (previously) and win tournaments. At last, the language switch may take 3-5 months to fully be implemented and it's also clear that the team roles don't function naturally on the team- but the "if everything clicks" potential is there. If we think about coldzera he went from "best in the world" just some months ago and now he looks like the 80th best player in the world (before IGL changes)... How? While I don't think he will just return to be a top 3-5 player over the next 2 months, it does seem reasoanble to expect that his performance could return closer to his mean performance in the future (at least on the maps he isn't IGL). And on maps he isn't IGL, fallen should/could perform as a top 5-7 AWPer in the world. On top of that, I also don't think they have been playing that bad. Still a top 7 team in my book. With regards to mouz, unless Oskar returns to form and/or they replace styko, I don't see them as a top 3 team. I felt for the past 40-50 days that they were signficantly overrated by the community (esp when some people thought they were favourites going into Marseille). Thus I am much more inclined to put the top 4 as astralis, faze, navi and tl. Don't even think Faze is a clear #2 - felt they were a bit overrated as well going into ESL Pro league dallas. Surprised me a lot when bookies opened with similar odds on Faze to win as Astralis - cus I consider the difference between Astralis and everyone else to similar to the difference between #2 and #10 in the world. SK has some potential to break into the top 4 over the next 2'ish months. | ||
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Denmark9433 Posts
My outside candidate is NiP who I thought had a lot of potential going into ESL Pro League Dallas but definitely dissapointed me somewhat. With that said, they didn't look "that much worse than SK" throughout the tournament. Lost in OT and then to optic in a bo3 (a team SK was also close to lose to). Until I see more lan performances from them, I can't rule out the possiblility of them just having "one bad tournament" given that they have come off a pretty succesful online season and on a paper has a strong roster. Plus, NiP has always been a hit-and-miss team. Either they suck or they win. For that reason, I am inclined to rate NiP with a higher chance to win than Mousesports. | ||
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