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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 20 2018 19:03 GMT
#41
brutal game.

astralis are so good that its scary.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2018 20:05 GMT
#42
13:14 for Liquid, come on Liquid!
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2018 20:12 GMT
#43
damn
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 20:20:00
May 20 2018 20:19 GMT
#44
Ouch, I knew we were going to get stomped, but 16-1 o_O
I think esports is pretty nice.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 21:27:45
May 20 2018 21:23 GMT
#45
FUCK YES LIQUID!

Edit: I mean they only won a map so far but vs this Astralis it feels like they won the fricking tournament.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2018 22:41 GMT
#46
oh well. GG Astralis. The best team right now.

Good showing by Liquid, they had the chances to win a second map on both nuke and inferno. A shame that it did not work out.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
May 22 2018 10:38 GMT
#47
I feel this iteration of TL can go a long way and become a very very scary team. Hopefully a trophy in a short/medium while.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
May 22 2018 15:36 GMT
#48
TACO is playing so well, i'm a fan.

Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 23 2018 07:28 GMT
#49
On May 22 2018 19:38 Ragnarork wrote:
I feel this iteration of TL can go a long way and become a very very scary team. Hopefully a trophy in a short/medium while.

They have a good shot at Starseries 5 next week. With only 5 Top10-Teams attending (Navi, NIP, SK, Mouse and Liquid), they are one of the favourites to win it.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
May 23 2018 12:52 GMT
#50
Yup, I think it's mostly mouz and Na'Vi that could be up there as well (and mostly if mouz get their shit together).
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-23 19:21:56
May 23 2018 19:11 GMT
#51
On May 23 2018 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:
Yup, I think it's mostly mouz and Na'Vi that could be up there as well (and mostly if mouz get their shit together).


I can't rule out SK. Normally I wouldgive a new team 30-40 days and after that I don't expect much improvement. However, the sum of the parts based on long-term data of the five players is very high plus they have showed they can play well as a team (previously) and win tournaments.

At last, the language switch may take 3-5 months to fully be implemented and it's also clear that the team roles don't function naturally on the team- but the "if everything clicks" potential is there.

If we think about coldzera he went from "best in the world" just some months ago and now he looks like the 80th best player in the world (before IGL changes)... How? While I don't think he will just return to be a top 3-5 player over the next 2 months, it does seem reasoanble to expect that his performance could return closer to his mean performance in the future (at least on the maps he isn't IGL).

And on maps he isn't IGL, fallen should/could perform as a top 5-7 AWPer in the world.

On top of that, I also don't think they have been playing that bad. Still a top 7 team in my book.

With regards to mouz, unless Oskar returns to form and/or they replace styko, I don't see them as a top 3 team. I felt for the past 40-50 days that they were signficantly overrated by the community (esp when some people thought they were favourites going into Marseille).

Thus I am much more inclined to put the top 4 as astralis, faze, navi and tl. Don't even think Faze is a clear #2 - felt they were a bit overrated as well going into ESL Pro league dallas. Surprised me a lot when bookies opened with similar odds on Faze to win as Astralis - cus I consider the difference between Astralis and everyone else to similar to the difference between #2 and #10 in the world.

SK has some potential to break into the top 4 over the next 2'ish months.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-23 19:29:47
May 23 2018 19:28 GMT
#52
Judging by odds on Starseries, SK is also rated as a stronger team than Mousesports and is the secnd favourite to win (after Navi).

My outside candidate is NiP who I thought had a lot of potential going into ESL Pro League Dallas but definitely dissapointed me somewhat. With that said, they didn't look "that much worse than SK" throughout the tournament. Lost in OT and then to optic in a bo3 (a team SK was also close to lose to).

Until I see more lan performances from them, I can't rule out the possiblility of them just having "one bad tournament" given that they have come off a pretty succesful online season and on a paper has a strong roster. Plus, NiP has always been a hit-and-miss team. Either they suck or they win. For that reason, I am inclined to rate NiP with a higher chance to win than Mousesports.
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