EPTAnd about your policy (which is kinda mine too). Yeah it works great for us, but because there are people who don't do the same, If everyone did the same, it would work like shit. Hence why i don't mind those "consumer entrepreneurs" to be able to have some protection from the very shitty business practices. Otherwise, i won't be able to continue to do the same for long. Neither will you.
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
And about your policy (which is kinda mine too). Yeah it works great for us, but because there are people who don't do the same, If everyone did the same, it would work like shit. Hence why i don't mind those "consumer entrepreneurs" to be able to have some protection from the very shitty business practices. Otherwise, i won't be able to continue to do the same for long. Neither will you. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
http://kotaku.com/no-steam-isnt-offering-special-exemptions-for-no-mans-1785908935 I played NMS yesterday at a friends house and 2 hours is not enough to see what the game can offer or if it gets better, but anything more than 5-6 hours and you're starting to realize that you are doing the same boring shit over and over again and chances are nothing will change. What I'm saying is that 2 hours in most cases is enough for the consumer to see what the game is, but NMS is different because it was advertised to be very big and I can understand why people would spend 20+ hours to see if anything new awaits them as they get closer to the galactic core. I understand Valve's rules, but NMS is a special case and needs to be treated as such and the rule needs to be bent a bit in this case, however in my view if someone spends 20+ hours doesnt deserve a refund no matter what their reasons/excuses are. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On August 31 2016 05:43 Godwrath wrote: And about your policy (which is kinda mine too). Yeah it works great for us, but because there are people who don't do the same, If everyone did the same, it would work like shit. Hence why i don't mind those "consumer entrepreneurs" to be able to have some protection from the very shitty business practices. Otherwise, i won't be able to continue to do the same for long. Neither will you. its prolly why F2P works. because everyone just assumes they're being lied to. More extensive demo modes... free betas that go from early March 2010 to the end of June 2010 are also a way to get people to buy in..  my current rotation consists of SC2 co-op and multi( have not finished the Nova missions ), EA NHL '94, Overwatch , Borderlands, Fire Pro Wrestling and Super Mario 3. if i add a game it'll be Tecmo Super Bowl. its 25 year old with an active multiplayer community and an annual championship event covered by ESPN. i shudder to call it "esports" i've got lots to keep me busy. sry Hello Games, but Super Tecmo Bowl looks more fun than your game. On August 31 2016 05:43 Godwrath wrote: Pffff, for god's sake Jimmy, i am talking specifically about this game and the refund. Not how consumer protection is gaining ground. you said no laws were changing. i provided a rebuttal. i'm tired of people whining, bitching and moaning and expecting big brother to rescue them from every life contingency.. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
Anyways, i am always baffled about libertarian views, are you completely consistent with that world view ? Otherwise what about rapists ? There will always be successful ones... so is it the victim's fault for not having a loaded shotgun or loosing eye contact with any random stranger they cross for a second so they fall prey ? Change your clothing ? There are social compromises that must be met to be able to trust each other. If one breaks that trust, it will get punished with the tools at hand, in this case, "bitching and moaning" is the tool customers got to denounce it and rally around to be able to collectively put enough pressure to make their case. And agents which require that trust to function, will seek to work to ammend the situation and restore trust, in this case Valve, but oftenly, the state yes. Anyways, no refunds for everyone at the end. So case close for now i guess. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
As JimmyJRaynor said, caveat emptor is the best way to describe the current state of the gaming industry. If more consumers followed this approach, we won't have this issue of being sold gimpy games on a systematic scale. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On September 01 2016 09:40 yrba1 wrote: Hope this sets an example for gamers NOT to preorder games let alone Day 1. Getting insight from critical reviewers before buying a game will certainly allow consumers to think twice before throwing in $60. As JimmyJRaynor said, caveat emptor is the best way to describe the current state of the gaming industry. If more consumers followed this approach, we won't have this issue of being sold gimpy games on a systematic scale. Unfortunately, state of the game industry is that reviewers aren't even a good metric, even if you trust their opinions. Games like KotoR 2, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3 have giant gaping holes that only show up long after reviewers would've put the game down. It's a sad state of the industry when you can't get a straight answer for "Is the game actually finished?" until after money has been handed over. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
On September 01 2016 14:33 WolfintheSheep wrote: Unfortunately, state of the game industry is that reviewers aren't even a good metric, even if you trust their opinions. Games like KotoR 2, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3 have giant gaping holes that only show up long after reviewers would've put the game down. It's a sad state of the industry when you can't get a straight answer for "Is the game actually finished?" until after money has been handed over. Won't say following the opinions of reviewers is the best approach, but it certainly weeds out some of the games. Games published by EA, Activision, and Ubisoft alone are red flags, hopefully Blizzard will separate themselves from Activision in the future. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
girls do the same thing with guys all the time. There is a sucker born every minute... | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On September 04 2016 02:29 Assault_1 wrote: A lot of people agree this is the most boring game ever made, its just an empty shell of a game like diablo 3 was at launch D3 had considerably more things to do then NMS. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On September 04 2016 02:29 Assault_1 wrote: A lot of people agree this is the most boring game ever made, its just an empty shell of a game like diablo 3 was at launch It certainly lacked content for the end game but Diablo 3 was a blast for the first ~100 hours even on launch, at least for me | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On September 04 2016 02:29 Assault_1 wrote: A lot of people agree this is the most boring game ever made, its just an empty shell of a game like diablo 3 was at launch Sean Murray is that you ? Hell no, D3 had a lot of shit in it, but lack of content (and fun gameplay) was clearly not one of them, most of the problems came from "always online", not so interesting loot (before loot 2.0 and what not, which is an opinion because some people liked the loot a lot) and the auction house,. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On September 04 2016 23:48 Endymion wrote: ok....... let's be real about D3... the BEST part of D3, and the most like "d2" part of diablo 3, was literally what was given to us during the beta (start of the game up until the skeleton king). after that the game takes a nose dive in terms of storytelling, ambiance, and overall game quality... and that's not even counting the slap in the face that the RMAH was lmfao. D3 beta was awesome but the game itself was hoooooot garbage (and still is, just play PoE or torchlight 2, both are a jillion times better) fuck d3 Dont forget the PvP! | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Diablo 3 on release, Simcity 5, SF5...those are games that will stick in my head for prioritizing things that people don't care about/hate (Auction house, always on DRM, cash shop) at the expense of actual fun. And then doubling down on the anti-fun when the criticism starts flowing in. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
No mans sky getting investigated for false advertisement. Glad they're getting what they deserved to be honest, far too many missing features are still being advertised as in the game. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On September 29 2016 13:03 Capped wrote: http://www.pcgamer.com/no-mans-sky-is-being-investigated-by-the-advertising-standards-authority/ No mans sky getting investigated for false advertisement. Glad they're getting what they deserved to be honest, far too many missing features are still being advertised as in the game. to add to ur point the NMS people and Valve are being examined due to the Steam page advertising. https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/54n5yz/official_asa_response_valve_and_hello_games_have/?st=itnwqu86&sh=bc5c06e4 i expect a wrist slap and the Steam page to change at tthe request of these ASA guys. Sean Murray isn't going to jail... unfortunately. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
1) Steam page will be changed (technically only for UK, but will likely be for everyone). 2) Small fine, likely a warning. 3) Refunds for UK customers that want it. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
Amazon in the UK ( where the investigation is taking place ) has NMS for PS4 at 45% of its original release price. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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