EPTThe someone’s natural response to “man said thing about vija game on the internet that angers me” is to find his personal info and call his family, that is super fucked and shouldn’t really be cheered on.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The someone’s natural response to “man said thing about vija game on the internet that angers me” is to find his personal info and call his family, that is super fucked and shouldn’t really be cheered on. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 30 2016 00:52 WolfintheSheep wrote: What about a game like KotoR 2 where the entire last quarter of the game wasn't even built? I agree there shouldn't be some open ended "don't like" refund, unless the developer wants to do some money back guarantee. I'm just saying 50 hours to find out a game is busted isn't that ridiculous, depending on the game. EA fucked that one up by rushing it out the door, but there was an ending. I am conflicted on that one because the game was function and ended. It was just a bad ending that was half backed. There have been plenty of movies and books with that problem. I think the game needs to be misleading or straight up not work. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On August 30 2016 00:52 WolfintheSheep wrote: What about a game like KotoR 2 where the entire last quarter of the game wasn't even built? I agree there shouldn't be some open ended "don't like" refund, unless the developer wants to do some money back guarantee. I'm just saying 50 hours to find out a game is busted isn't that ridiculous, depending on the game. i've watched sales-guys sell software that does not exist.  we got it close enough to what the sales-guy promised and close enough to the promised delivery date to avoid problems. very smart, calculated, careful bullshitters will continue to thrive in a free economy. The problem is that Sean Murray is a bad liar. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 30 2016 01:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i've watched sales guys sell software that does not exist. I'm on the other side of that, where it's my job to the make the software do everything that the sales guy sold. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
i prefer that world to a world where some moron gullible enough to believe Sean Murray's bullshit wants to be protected by the government from any and every life contigency. Caveat Emptor. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
@Plansix If you wanted to make a right analogy it would be a writer who tells you about how awesome his book will be, what a rich ending it will have, all the characters you will care (or hate) about. And then, when you buy the book you enjoy the first 49 pages, but from page 50 to 300, it's all crap written by a 5 year old. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On August 30 2016 01:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: People have to accept that fraud happens in a free world. And smart fraudsters will get away with it. In an innocent until proven guilty world some guilty people go free. Its been that way since 1789 ( or whatever year that thing was signed in Philadelphia). i prefer that world to a world where some moron gullible enough to believe Sean Murray's bullshit wants to be protected by the government from any and every life contigency. Caveat Emptor. I didn't know it was the goverment which allowed people to make refunds on the game. Valve did the policing themselves, mostly because their brands values consumer's trust high enough. So it's not only "goverments" or "whiny dumb people" the ones which push for fraudsters to not get away with it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And we could debate the number of hours people should be allowed to play before they get a refund. Even with the game being No Mans Sky, I think 50 is a bit much. I wouldn’t fault any retailer for rejecting that refund. Edit: In the US there several states that require clear refund policies by law. All retailers of digital video games were running afoul of the law in those states for a while. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 30 2016 03:25 Plansix wrote: I’m pretty sure my analogy is fine since it wasn’t about No Man Sky. In fact, my post specifically differentiates that analogy from No Man Sky. And we could debate the number of hours people should be allowed to play before they get a refund. Even with the game being No Mans Sky, I think 50 is a bit much. I wouldn’t fault any retailer for rejecting that refund. Edit: In the US there several states that require clear refund policies by law. All retailers of digital video games were running afoul of the law in those states for a while. I'm pretty sure it's the reverse scenario here. It's not that people with 50 hours were demanding a refund, it's that the digital retailers offered refunds to everyone, and people with 50 hours jumped on board with that. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On August 30 2016 03:15 Godwrath wrote: I didn't know it was the goverment which allowed people to make refunds on the game. Valve did the policing themselves, mostly because their brands values consumer's trust high enough. So it's not only "goverments" or "whiny dumb people" the ones which push for fraudsters to not get away with it. i don't want laws changed so that any one and every one is guilty of a crime because of the standard "puffing" that goes on during the marketing phase of any new product. Steam can do anything they want with the money they've brought in including giving it back to whoever gave it to them. Caveat Emptor. | ||
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ETisME
12711 Posts
On August 30 2016 03:09 Godwrath wrote: People are getting a refund because the game doesn't have the features which were advertised. It doesn't matter 1 hour to 100 hours. I know people who finished the game, because when you pay 60 bucks for a game, even if you were scammed, you try to make the most out of it. That logic trying to put faults on the victims is pretty awesome i guess. @Plansix If you wanted to make a right analogy it would be a writer who tells you about how awesome his book will be, what a rich ending it will have, all the characters you will care (or hate) about. And then, when you buy the book you enjoy the first 49 pages, but from page 50 to 300, it's all crap written by a 5 year old. I don't see people asking for refund in mgs5 because of missing promise and a cut of a whole chapter. This is just an excuse used because the game didn't meet their over hype. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32132 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On August 30 2016 05:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i don't want laws changed so that any one and every one is guilty of a crime because of the standard "puffing" that goes on during the marketing phase of any new product. Steam can do anything they want with the money they've brought in including giving it back to whoever gave it to them. Caveat Emptor. And no laws got changed. Caveat Emptor only works if the customer is able to inform himself, something that doesn't happen since there are NDAs, false advertisiment, and a whole lot of schemes on marketing to use feelings rather than information to sell products (specially on gaming with preorders to "support" projects), requires an investment on time to find out too long, and obviously, that someone has to get scammed in order to be able to denounce it, so stop repeating that bullcrap like it means something else than a excuse to blame the victim or the consumer as someone who should be exploited if possible. On August 30 2016 10:12 ETisME wrote: I don't see people asking for refund in mgs5 because of missing promise and a cut of a whole chapter. This is just an excuse used because the game didn't meet their over hype. I did not follow MSG5, but i don't know, maybe most people found it was a decent game worth their money while that wasn't One man's skies case ? Not to speak that it's not that the game didn't live up to the hype, it didn't meet the expectations purposefully created by their developers. The difference is quite important. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On August 31 2016 04:40 Godwrath wrote: And no laws got changed. Caveat Emptor only works if the customer is able to inform himself, something that doesn't happen since there are NDAs, false advertisiment, and a whole lot of schemes on marketing to use feelings rather than information to sell products (specially on gaming with preorders to "support" projects), requires an investment on time to find out too long, and obviously, that someone has to get scammed in order to be able to denounce it, so stop repeating that bullcrap like it means something else than a excuse to blame the victim or the consumer as someone who should be exploited if possible. no laws changing throughout the entire world? check your facts. in my jurisdiction changes to consumer protection laws are an ongoing and active debate. http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/459406/Financial Services/Government of Ontario Proposes Changes to Consumer Protection Legislation Payday Lending Legislation and Collections as far as what caveat emptor means. " The phrase caveat emptor and its use as a disclaimer of warranties arise from the fact that buyers typically have less information about the good or service they are purchasing, while the seller has more information. The quality of this situation is known as 'information asymmetry'. Defects in the good or service may be hidden from the buyer, and only known to the seller." my standard policy works great. i dont trust any one and i buy a game a year after its release date so that i have full information and a good idea of what the community around the game is like. i just assume everyone i don't know is a liar. most adults are liars so its a reasonable policy given zero information. No Man's Sky is in beta right now. It's out August 12, 2017. | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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