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WidowMineHero
New Zealand143 Posts
On February 17 2016 02:57 amazingxkcd wrote: Koosta to Liquid RLewis confirmed http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/16/north-american-csgo-star-to-join-team-liquid/ Is Adren going to stay to coach or analyse? | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
actually they could kick Elige I suppose. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Heck, Liquid carrying the NA flag internationally would be sick. Hmmm... Really like to see Sean or FalleN support that opinion with arguments. To many (including Thorin) it seems completely unbelievable. Genuinely interested. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Also, yeah, I'd like to see their arguments. Yours is just looking at stats (which is, at best, incomplete). I think the best NA IGL and one of the world's best IGL might know a bit better about that.  | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:55 Ragnarork wrote: Scared? Of what lol? Also, yeah, I'd like to see their arguments. Yours is just looking at stats (which is, at best, incomplete). I think the best NA IGL and one of the world's best IGL might know a bit better about that. Obviously I am being hyperbolic but its pretty plain to see that throughout adren's entire career he has been a weak link on almost every team he played for. Fallen and sgares might be friend with adren and like him as a person because he seems like a genuine and good guy but they are def wrong on this one. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
You're sure you're not hating a *bit* too much adreN? I also do agree he's been the weak link in teams he's been. At least that's what I see from the results and the game I've seen. And a lot of people feel that way. Yet... two really good IGL and players do credit him for being good somehow at the game. So my first reaction would be "I'd like to know how", and not "lol they just don't want to hurt his feelings". They can be friend and not say anything on the topic. But they chose to speak out, which is quite different... Kinda tough to be scared of a team who has a guy good for 5 frags maybe 10 at most per map. That part is actually a complete non-sense... Liquid has actually threatened and beat very good teams WITH adreN. LG and C9 included. Also VP, and they even took a map of Fnatic. So maybe there's something missing there don't you think? For sure, this wasn't thanks to adreN ability to frag or awp, that's pretty obvious. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On February 18 2016 00:06 Ragnarork wrote: Of course, just because they are "friends", they'll say completely stupid shit? You're sure you're not hating a *bit* too much adreN? I also do agree he's been the weak link in teams he's been. At least that's what I see from the results and the game I've seen. And a lot of people feel that way. Yet... two really good IGL and players do credit him for being good somehow at the game. So my first reaction would be "I'd like to know how", and not "lol they just don't want to hurt his feelings". They can be friend and not say anything on the topic. But they chose to speak out, which is quite different... That part is actually a complete non-sense... Liquid has actually threatened and beat very good teams WITH adreN. LG and C9 included. Also VP, and they even took a map of Fnatic. So maybe there's something missing there don't you think? For sure, this wasn't thanks to adreN ability to frag or awp, that's pretty obvious. So sick of people claiming that everyone is "hating" on adren. When you watch a team you are a fan of and there is 1 player who consistently underperforms and brings the team down you are allowed to point it out. And when that team you follow fails to do anything about it for the longest time and every match is the same story you literally have to continue pointing it out until something is done about it. I like adren, I think he is a great guy and a great teammate I just don't think his skills are on the level of teams that TL is trying to compete with. That is not hating, that is just the facts. The win over VP was a fluke. I honestly don't think VP was trying very hard also they were missing their best player on American soil. The cache game vs fnatic was also a serious underperformance from fnatic if that is the one you are talking about. If it takes the best teams having their worst performance and TL having their best to scrape out a map than the team was going nowhere. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
- the team - the team management - Sgares and FalleN ? I just said that I want to see the arguments *for* him which there must be. When a player has been bad and dragging a team down, he's not kept by his team for a long time AND defended by very well established players. Or there's something really silly going on. So that's why I'd like to see the arguments for him. If there's none, then that's actually silly. EDIT: Eh, well. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On February 18 2016 01:07 Ragnarork wrote: To me that's like pretending you know better about how to handle that and how to judge adreN than: - the team - the team management - Sgares and FalleN ? I just said that I want to see the arguments *for* him which there must be. When a player has been bad and dragging a team down, he's not kept by his team for a long time AND defended by very well established players. Or there's something really silly going on. So that's why I'd like to see the arguments for him. If there's none, then that's actually silly. EDIT: Eh, well. https://twitter.com/seangares/status/699992097676394497 And who are you? Everyone is allowed an opinion. You don't have to like it. Obviously the team and team management don't think adren was pulling his weight because he seems to have been cut if reports are true. Are you saying you know better than the team or team management? Are you saying sgares and fallen know better than team liquid? A lot of adren's strats relied on the smoke jump script which now appears to be banned by most tournaments so those 3 strong maps probably are not very strong anymore. I hope adren lands on his feet. This is a guy who quit csgo for a fulltime job before coming back when the chance with team liquid presented itself. This is a guy who has already seen tons of success in a previous version of cs. He has been on his way out for a while....New, young, and more hungry talent is on the rise and somebody has to go... its either now or...after a terrible 2016. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Facts don't care about feelings. | ||
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On February 18 2016 01:07 Ragnarork wrote: To me that's like pretending you know better about how to handle that and how to judge adreN than: - the team - the team management - Sgares and FalleN ? I just said that I want to see the arguments *for* him which there must be. When a player has been bad and dragging a team down, he's not kept by his team for a long time AND defended by very well established players. Or there's something really silly going on. So that's why I'd like to see the arguments for him. If there's none, then that's actually silly. EDIT: Eh, well. https://twitter.com/seangares/status/699992097676394497 it's weird to me that sean and fallen think adren wasn't a weak link but the majority of pro players would easily agree that he is. when you have that much talent around you and you constantly fail to accomplish anything someone needs to go and in this case the fact that adren was their worst player and igl it was an obvious choice. he just can't perform against t1 teams while everyone else on his team can. he's an "awper" but not good at it so they pick up simple and move adren to a support rifler...but he's not good at rifling either so what options do you have left? | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On February 18 2016 03:06 SyNc` wrote: it's weird to me that sean and fallen think adren wasn't a weak link but the majority of pro players would easily agree that he is. when you have that much talent around you and you constantly fail to accomplish anything someone needs to go and in this case the fact that adren was their worst player and igl it was an obvious choice. he just can't perform against t1 teams while everyone else on his team can. he's an "awper" but not good at it so they pick up simple and move adren to a support rifler...but he's not good at rifling either so what options do you have left? I agree completely with that, he's not a good rifler, not a good awper. The thing is, I don't think Sean or FalleN would say that he is. Thus my wish to see their arguments. And Hugo, I fully understand that, my question was "on the surface it looks like they have no reason to keep him, yet they did (until now)". And I wanted to know what could've been the thing that made them keep him. And Sean thinks that he was actually okay as an IGL on a few specific maps (which I'd consider Cache, Cobble and Overpass). | ||
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On February 18 2016 06:01 Ragnarork wrote: I agree completely with that, he's not a good rifler, not a good awper. The thing is, I don't think Sean or FalleN would say that he is. Thus my wish to see their arguments. And Hugo, I fully understand that, my question was "on the surface it looks like they have no reason to keep him, yet they did (until now)". And I wanted to know what could've been the thing that made them keep him. And Sean thinks that he was actually okay as an IGL on a few specific maps (which I'd consider Cache, Cobble and Overpass). yeah i agree with you, i'm also interested in seeing their reasoning behind it. seangares was in the same position as adren though where he was constantly flamed by people for being bad and dead weight so maybe thats why hes trying to defend him. To be fair though, i do think seangares was dead weight on c9 as well, although he was a way better igl than adren. | ||
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evaunit01
United States512 Posts
On February 18 2016 09:39 SyNc` wrote: yeah i agree with you, i'm also interested in seeing their reasoning behind it. seangares was in the same position as adren though where he was constantly flamed by people for being bad and dead weight so maybe thats why hes trying to defend him. To be fair though, i do think seangares was dead weight on c9 as well, although he was a way better igl than adren. I disagree, if you look at the final LAN tournaments and Majors C9 went to, SGares did really well. | ||
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On February 18 2016 10:25 evaunit01 wrote: I disagree, if you look at the final LAN tournaments and Majors C9 went to, SGares did really well. he did good at 1 of them but overall he has a .84 rating at majors with a .61 fpr...thats pretty bad no matter how you put it. in 2015 he had a .56 fpr over all the lans c9 attended (2109 maps). That is a huge under performance. I do think he was a lot more valuable to c9 than adren is to liquid, but i remember seeing him lose c9 a lot of rounds because he just couldn't get crucial frags. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Let the guessing game begin! (Answer probably in ~1 month) | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Considering he is already playing in a team with Ukranians, and NaVi while is looking at the future because of how old Zeus is getting i dont see him making any changes especially since he is mostly an AWPer and they have Guardian lol, Flipsid3 seems like a fitting choice considering he could be a decent upgrade over WorldEdit Or maybe Mousesports ? they need shake up and they use players from all nationalities. | ||
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