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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 13 2018 22:30 GMT
#621
Isn't Cloud in smash brothers?
saocyn
Profile Joined July 2011
United States937 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-14 00:13:39
June 14 2018 00:12 GMT
#622
I suppose there's speculation. but at this time, being a gamer i'm kind of content with the quality and hardware. there's not any real foreseeable digital revolution that would make me feel we needed to adopt better hardware. it's not like there's better disc anyway that are affordable. nintendo creating their own form of disc resulted in 720p games.

I mean until playstation's standard is VR and we have illumination and projection of yugioh monsters in real life, i think the release of a ps5 would start being like cell phones, yeah you get updated hardware every 6 months but, do you really need it?

and the person who said 2023 for the release of ff7...i just died a bit inside. square enix why you do this? are the Japanese devs really hell-bent on inventing a new engine every time they have a serious release? what could possibly be in ff7 that would require a remake to be that impressive? ff15 wasn't even that long of a game if you compare the span of content to like Witcher 3 or even GTA.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-15 14:27:08
June 15 2018 14:26 GMT
#623
So the kiddie/disney infomercial game is what is holding back dev time.


It’s been three years since we’ve seen anything from Square Enix regarding its episodic remake of Final Fantasy VII. The game was a no-show again at E3 this year, but it remains in development, according to Tetsuya Nomura, who has a hand in the title along with directing Kingdom Hearts III. “We are developing [Final Fantasy VII] in parallel, and it’s not just in the early concept stages,” he tells The Verge. “We are actually in development.”

The longtime Square Enix developer says he’s been giving equal effort to both highly anticipated games. “So right now, it’s like I’ve been putting in 100 percent into Kingdom Hearts, 100 percent into Final Fantasy VII, 100 percent into Kingdom Hearts... just going back and forth,” he says. “It’s just like [working on] two titles is just going to be one [after Kingdom Hearts III’s launch]. That’s pretty much how I see it.”


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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
June 15 2018 15:03 GMT
#624
Let's be honest. KH3 is gonna triple the sales of FF7
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 15 2018 16:26 GMT
#625
On June 16 2018 00:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Let's be honest. KH3 is gonna triple the sales of FF7


well ya, its gonna attract more girls/12 year old sales
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4200 Posts
June 15 2018 16:57 GMT
#626
On June 16 2018 00:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Let's be honest. KH3 is gonna triple the sales of FF7

You think so? KH2 only sold 4m. Final Fantasy VII is the highest selling JRPG of all time, I'd give the edge to VII, granted the not-simulatenous release will hurt it, but I wouldnt expect it to be triple oversold.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12056 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-15 18:03:15
June 15 2018 18:02 GMT
#627
On June 16 2018 01:57 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 00:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Let's be honest. KH3 is gonna triple the sales of FF7

You think so? KH2 only sold 4m. Final Fantasy VII is the highest selling JRPG of all time, I'd give the edge to VII, granted the not-simulatenous release will hurt it, but I wouldnt expect it to be triple oversold.


Pokémon Red and Blue is a RPG made in Japan and sold twice that? So did most other Pokemon games.

Though the point of FFVII selling ~2 times of KH2 is true. The figure you are using for KH2 is a decade old so it is probably around 5 million now a days.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4200 Posts
June 15 2018 19:35 GMT
#628
On June 16 2018 03:02 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 01:57 lestye wrote:
On June 16 2018 00:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Let's be honest. KH3 is gonna triple the sales of FF7

You think so? KH2 only sold 4m. Final Fantasy VII is the highest selling JRPG of all time, I'd give the edge to VII, granted the not-simulatenous release will hurt it, but I wouldnt expect it to be triple oversold.


Pokémon Red and Blue is a RPG made in Japan and sold twice that? So did most other Pokemon games.

Though the point of FFVII selling ~2 times of KH2 is true. The figure you are using for KH2 is a decade old so it is probably around 5 million now a days.

Fine, console rpg**

And even if I concede that 5 million figure, what makes you think it will sell triple ? Has the fanbase tripled? Because the sales figures on the last few kingdom hearts releases don't reflect that.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
June 15 2018 20:07 GMT
#629
Hyperbole for sure. But you would think SE is going to put out their money maker first. There are a lot of kids these days just now getting into gaming. And if you have a ton of Disney in there and the style is cute and campy....KH3 is going to sell. A lot. VII can wait another year or six months. KH3 will probably hit God of War sales first week. And probably stop around 15 million copies by the time VII hits.

All just guesses based off of nothing.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-15 22:05:57
June 15 2018 20:18 GMT
#630
I think people are underestimating the KH3 demographic. Most of the "kids" that played that series when they were younger are in their 20s-30s now and just as excited lol. The game will do well, and it was always going to release before FF7R. Like Nomura himself said, once KH3 is over he/they can focus on 7R, for the better. It's going to be a while. No need to be butthurt that Square's trying to finally finish up their OTHER teased-for-a-decade-with-barely-any-info franchise.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
June 15 2018 21:22 GMT
#631
There's also PSX later this year and TGS. I think we'll get something at one of those for sure for FF7R.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4200 Posts
June 15 2018 21:26 GMT
#632
I think you're being incredibly optimistic. Especially when the I don't think KH has that kid demographic anymore. It's been so long since 2, I wonder if middle schooler/high school kids even know about Kingdom Hearts, let alone the problem of getting into the series with all the old games they'd have to play to get caught up.

I think the game will do well, but to say 3 will sell 15 when a lot of people are going to hate it for the complicated story.

Hell, im really shocked Disney didn't mandate them to reboot KH instead of a 3.

idk, the numbers don't add up for me, especially when we look at the numbers of the lastest additions to the series.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-15 22:01:36
June 15 2018 21:55 GMT
#633
To be clear, I don't give a fuck about KH3 or how it performs lol

I just think being upset that it's "taking away" from 7R dev time or that it's only for disney babbies is a bit silly when it's also been in development for so long and we're discussing it in relation to a game that's a remake of something over 20 years old lol. You can't say that "the KH/KH2 crowd grew up and newcomers won't want to play the older games to catch up" when you could say the same thing about FF7 itself. Sure you don't have to play the other Final Fantasy games to know anything about FF7, but if they do their jobs right with KH3, especially since it's been so long, then it should be the same, stand on its own.

Idk what point I'm even trying to make anymore. I'm just laughing at people salty that the game director has another project he needs to finish up. Especially calling KH a disney ad for little kids when we're sitting here foaming at the mouth for news about a PS1 game from 1997. I've survived the last 4 years without new info on the remake or when it's launching, and I'll probably survive the next 4 as well. It's done when it's done. Frankly the longer they take the higher my hopes are. Rushing out a trashy cash grab of such a popular game would be easy money lol.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
June 15 2018 22:37 GMT
#634
Duka gets it. A bit harsh, but he gets it.

My niece and nephew are 8yo. They'll absolutely love KH3. How many other 8-15 year olds would love to play this? It has all the Disney you could shake out of a tree. It'll sell like crack in the 80s.

I never played FF7 so I don't get the hype. I think I had disc 1 of 8 or something so I couldn't even play it. My first foray into FF is FF12 (underrated). From there, I've been critical of everything except FF14 ARR. FF7R should be good for people like me who don't feel invested to go back and play the OG to understand the hype. This will suffice.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12056 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-15 22:39:20
June 15 2018 22:38 GMT
#635
On June 16 2018 06:55 Duka08 wrote:
To be clear, I don't give a fuck about KH3 or how it performs lol

I just think being upset that it's "taking away" from 7R dev time or that it's only for disney babbies is a bit silly when it's also been in development for so long and we're discussing it in relation to a game that's a remake of something over 20 years old lol. You can't say that "the KH/KH2 crowd grew up and newcomers won't want to play the older games to catch up" when you could say the same thing about FF7 itself. Sure you don't have to play the other Final Fantasy games to know anything about FF7, but if they do their jobs right with KH3, especially since it's been so long, then it should be the same, stand on its own.

Idk what point I'm even trying to make anymore. I'm just laughing at people salty that the game director has another project he needs to finish up. Especially calling KH a disney ad for little kids when we're sitting here foaming at the mouth for news about a PS1 game from 1997. I've survived the last 4 years without new info on the remake or when it's launching, and I'll probably survive the next 4 as well. It's done when it's done. Frankly the longer they take the higher my hopes are. Rushing out a trashy cash grab of such a popular game would be easy money lol.


Anything past 3 years or so for AAA doesn't show anything about if it will be good or not. You can end up with games in development hell that takes 7+ years and delivers a product that is 4 years behind its time and wasn't great for that time either. Or you get great and polished games. Hard to tell at that point since they sooner or later have to cut losses on a project that keeps running over time.

I am not even sure I will play FFVII re-make. I didn't great enjoy the original and didn't finish it. I will judge it based on its own merits, it could be called FFXVI for all I care about the name.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
June 15 2018 22:43 GMT
#636
On June 16 2018 07:38 Yurie wrote:
Anything past 3 years or so for AAA doesn't show anything about if it will be good or not. You can end up with games in development hell that takes 7+ years and delivers a product that is 4 years behind its time and wasn't great for that time either. Or you get great and polished games.

You're definitely right about this. I didn't mean to imply taking forever automatically makes it good lol. Just that rushing things is almost always worse. There are so many sequels and remakes these days (especially in films too, not just games) that are just safe cash grabs, so FF7 remake taking a long time and not constantly overhyped by its own studio puts me slightly more on the optimistic side.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
June 15 2018 22:55 GMT
#637
A game that took too long and was still horrible? Duke Nukem.

A game that took too long and was actually amazing? (I don't know...most games fall within the 3-4 year dev cycle.)
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12056 Posts
June 16 2018 06:09 GMT
#638
On June 16 2018 07:55 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
A game that took too long and was still horrible? Duke Nukem.

A game that took too long and was actually amazing? (I don't know...most games fall within the 3-4 year dev cycle.)

Diablo III
Team Fortress 2
StarCraft II
Shenmue

Are probably good examples with long development times.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-20 19:50:17
June 20 2018 19:48 GMT
#639
This pretty much confirms for me that besides first part being set in Midgar SE is also going to add the 7th member of Avalanche that never made it into the original game (Can't remember her name, damnit). Also that further on into the game we will get the cutscene of the the original members of Avalanche talking about going to Cosmo Canyon to celebrate. Again was cut from the original game.

In the latest issue of weekly Famitsu magazine, Tetsuya Nomura said the development of Final Fantasy VII Remake is progressing smoothly, and the project is moving along further than originally expected after moving work from external to in-house development.

In terms of when we can expect more news on the remake, he said they are currently trying to decide on when they can next present the information and asks fans to please wait with confidence. Nomura, then, made a brief mention in regarding in diving deeper into the scenario for Avalanche, the characters, and the atmosphere.


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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28099 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-20 19:55:30
June 20 2018 19:53 GMT
#640
Honestly I'm curious how they're going to set the entire first game in Midgar. Midgar takes a new player like 3-4 hours to complete in the original game right? And then maybe 2-3 if you're familiar (1 hour for speedrunners). They need to expand that into a 20-30 hour game, which is definitely possible but there's gonna be a lot of filler content. Also I don't feel like the ending of the Midgar section is that interesting. I'd rather they end part 1 at Kalm or something so we at least get some Sephiroth action.
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