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On February 04 2016 23:43 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 23:25 Narw wrote:Damn, i promised myself i won't spend so much cash on games this year, but this is so tempting  g2a will probably have great offers once the game is 1 month old or sooner (or even at release). also waiting for bugs to be sorted out isn't bad , I took 3 days off when diablo 3 was lunched the most frustrating experience of MY LIFE , never again for multiplayer games 
D3 had an auction house so everything you do had to be synchronized to servers. X-com2 doesn't have to deal with even %1 of that data.
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On February 05 2016 00:04 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 23:51 Gorsameth wrote:
D3 is always online which caused the problems. I don't believe Xcom is.
As for G2A... yeah its cheaper, because of screwing over the creators at best and selling strait up illegal keys at worse.
You want to reward the studio's that make actual good games, not fuck them over so you can save 5 bucks. I wasn't aware it was illegal keys and what not , I buy via steam most the times and also bought through G2A more then once , never figured them to be scum , are you sure ? always figured its a "lets do sales but not on the main platforms" which happens in other outlets like hotels booking or flights .... again are you sure G2A are what you say they are ? if so , i will no doubt stop supporting them.
There was a lot of noise about it last year when Ubisoft removed a lot of games from peoples accounts when they found out they have been bought with stolen credit cards.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/9/8006693/the-truth-behind-those-mysteriously-cheap-gray-market-game-codes
for more background info.
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On February 05 2016 00:04 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 23:51 Gorsameth wrote:
D3 is always online which caused the problems. I don't believe Xcom is.
As for G2A... yeah its cheaper, because of screwing over the creators at best and selling strait up illegal keys at worse.
You want to reward the studio's that make actual good games, not fuck them over so you can save 5 bucks. I wasn't aware it was illegal keys and what not , I buy via steam most the times and also bought through G2A more then once , never figured them to be scum , are you sure ? always figured its a "lets do sales but not on the main platforms" which happens in other outlets like hotels booking or flights .... again are you sure G2A are what you say they are ? if so , i will no doubt stop supporting them.
Don't have links at hand now, but I know that one of the devs on SCS Software (Makers of Euro Truck Sim 2 and American Truck Simulator) has pointed out repeatedly that G2A sells their game illegitimatly.
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On February 04 2016 22:09 daemir wrote:
Time to VPN an aussie out of myself to get it this evening instead of middle of the night.
Aren't we all abit Kiwi tonite ?
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On February 05 2016 00:28 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 00:04 bluzi wrote:On February 04 2016 23:51 Gorsameth wrote:
D3 is always online which caused the problems. I don't believe Xcom is.
As for G2A... yeah its cheaper, because of screwing over the creators at best and selling strait up illegal keys at worse.
You want to reward the studio's that make actual good games, not fuck them over so you can save 5 bucks. I wasn't aware it was illegal keys and what not , I buy via steam most the times and also bought through G2A more then once , never figured them to be scum , are you sure ? always figured its a "lets do sales but not on the main platforms" which happens in other outlets like hotels booking or flights .... again are you sure G2A are what you say they are ? if so , i will no doubt stop supporting them. Don't have links at hand now, but I know that one of the devs on SCS Software (Makers of Euro Truck Sim 2 and American Truck Simulator) has pointed out repeatedly that G2A sells their game illegitimatly.
I can't really confirm anything but I've also heard people fence via G2A with stolen CCs. They buy game codes on stolen CCs and then sell the codes via G2A. It is one of the better ways of converting stolen CC information into real cash.
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Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
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On February 05 2016 00:50 JazVM wrote:
Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
More of a winning format is still a winning format. No one wants a massive overhaul of the system just a game which stands on the shoulders of the previous. Also from what I understand the game is insanely moddable with Workshop integration. The game should have real legs on it this time with a proper modding framework built around it.
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On February 04 2016 23:51 Gorsameth wrote:
D3 is always online which caused the problems. I don't believe Xcom is.
As for G2A... yeah its cheaper, because of screwing over the creators at best and selling strait up illegal keys at worse.
You want to reward the studio's that make actual good games, not fuck them over so you can save 5 bucks.
Four million copies of Farcry 4 were sold, G2A sold 4600. Way to overstate the significance. If those people wouldn't have bought the key for cheaper, they would've pirated it.
That being said, i buy most games i really want directly on steam, that doesn't mean though that i don't buy on G2A. Assuming that every key there is somehow illegal and "fucking the devs over" is stupid. Plain and simple.
PS: i bought ETS2 (since that was cited earlier) from G2A as well. Especially "older" games, which mostly are bought in steam sales and then put up for sale, are legit.
Maybe it's because i grew up in a day and age where developers didn't yet try to fuck the customer over, but blanketblaming key-resellers (btw, i sold keys there before as well, and they certainly were legit) is just dumb. "Screwing creators at best" - if they key isn't illegally obtained, you're not screwing the dev. That simple.
Apart from the obvious problem that if there were an actual second hand market, like it used to be - all this wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And it wasn't customers deciding that there shouldn't be one anymore.
Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
You've spent 100 hours on playing the first game.
Now you got the same game with new story, some new mechanics, etc - why you think people are hyped? 
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I dunno about others, but for me:
1) Due to real life, a constantly decreasing amount of time for computer games makes me crave single player games that I can play when ever I choose to without the need to connect to other players, and for however long I can.
2) A fun turn based strategy game with decent replayability. Reminds me a lot of Incubation back in the day, and now with more random elements gets even more replayability.
3) A game that can meet my expectations and is not an overhyped, underdeveloped piece of trash like so many other titles these days that do not feel like their 49,99EUR price is justified in any bit.
4) The developers seem to understand how to build upon their foundations and do not try to reinvent the wheel every iteration.
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I still buy the new pokemon when it comes out and have been for years
Still fun.
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On February 05 2016 00:50 JazVM wrote:
Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
oompf, how to enlighten about having had tons of fun and expecting a gigaton more ?
Ofc it's fundamentally the same game - its still a TBS, but that's like saying that Doom and Half-life and Serious Sam and Halo and DeusEx are fundamentally the same as well - it's all shooters.
Personally I would not mind if it even were more of exactly the same game with better graphics, but they changed the setting to be abit more gritty, it looks like the gameplay actually is oozing that setting as well and no some lifeless shell that e.g. FO4 was.
They also made improvements that remind me of LW, e.g. they removed some of the downsides of the original play (early mission slow-crawling to not activate multiple pods - or no more infinite-OW-ing/snipering due to more time sensitive missions).
Procedural maps could easily remove the "oh yeah, this map, pods are there, there and there"-problem that you got after ~100-200h of the original one as well.
So what is there to no be hyped about when one of your most played game/the game that you had tons of fun with gets even better and is not just another cashout like Assassins Creed #17 or Halo#11* ?
*PS: I _love_ Halo, don't get me wrong, but it turned into a 1-title-per-year-cash-cow recently, so I can't be seriously hyped for those games anymore.
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On February 05 2016 00:50 JazVM wrote:
Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
Here's a dissertation!
+ Show Spoiler [I hope you like reading!] +There are a lot of elements at play here, so let's start from the beginning. The original X-COM: UFO Defense was a classic. It might not have been as well known as games like Civilization and Doom, but it was a truly great game. Many people who are now in their late 20s/early 30s remember it fondly. Others know it because of a fantastic series of Let's Plays by GuavaMoment. As with many largely-forgotten IPs the fans always hoped that some day it would be revisited. So when 2K Games, whose parent company Take-Two had acquired the IP from Atari, announced in 2010 that they were making a new XCOM FPS the old fans despaired. Their beloved franchise was doomed to be just another IP resurrected in order to make yet another sub-par FPS while ignoring everything that made the series great. Thankfully what eventually became XCOM: The Bureau stalled in development, while another corner of 2K Games quietly began developing XCOM: Enemy Unknown. Nobody saw it coming, and the news took the old fans from despair to hope, and when XCOM: EU reviews came in as very favorable hope became hype. There is a ridiculous amount of goodwill given to XCOM 2's developers as a result of the huge success of Enemy Unknown and Enemy Within. They successfully evoked the heart and feel of the original while still making it more accessible and modern. Given how often remakes and modernizations utterly fail, it was probably one of the biggest surprises of 2012. XCOM 2's developers have also done a great job listening to their players. XCOM 2, while very similar to its predecessor, has changes in place to address some of the rough edges. It also has improved mod support, and (this is big for me) the ability to import rosters of customized characters. Finally, with the reviews for XCOM 2 coming in extremely positive, the hype is real. 91 on Metacritic is no joke, that's high enough to put it in the top 100 PC games ever.
So yeah, I'm mega hyped.
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I hope there's some sort of day 1 patch to fix the fps drops T_T
As it stands using the blaster launcher means RIP in peace your FPS for a good few seconds.
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On February 05 2016 01:08 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 23:51 Gorsameth wrote:
D3 is always online which caused the problems. I don't believe Xcom is.
As for G2A... yeah its cheaper, because of screwing over the creators at best and selling strait up illegal keys at worse.
You want to reward the studio's that make actual good games, not fuck them over so you can save 5 bucks. Four million copies of Farcry 4 were sold, G2A sold 4600. Way to overstate the significance. If those people wouldn't have bought the key for cheaper, they would've pirated it. That being said, i buy most games i really want directly on steam, that doesn't mean though that i don't buy on G2A. Assuming that every key there is somehow illegal and "fucking the devs over" is stupid. Plain and simple. PS: i bought ETS2 (since that was cited earlier) from G2A as well. Especially "older" games, which mostly are bought in steam sales and then put up for sale, are legit. Maybe it's because i grew up in a day and age where developers didn't yet try to fuck the customer over, but blanketblaming key-resellers (btw, i sold keys there before as well, and they certainly were legit) is just dumb. "Screwing creators at best" - if they key isn't illegally obtained, you're not screwing the dev. That simple. Apart from the obvious problem that if there were an actual second hand market, like it used to be - all this wouldn't be a problem in the first place. And it wasn't customers deciding that there shouldn't be one anymore. Show nested quote +Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
You've spent 100 hours on playing the first game. Now you got the same game with new story, some new mechanics, etc - why you think people are hyped?
4600 of their keys were revoked, not total sales.
No not every reseller is a crook and the older a game is the more likely it is to be legit but there is no denying that G2A, Kinguin and probably others are a grey market. Yeah I'm sure there is plenty of legit trade going on but a portion isn't. The fact that G2A's Shield even exists should be a dead giveaway.
Yes the industry has gone down a fair bit in recent years. And yes there are games I don't buy because of it but this is not one of those cases and I feel we should support those studio's who still seem to care about their customers and about putting out a game they can be proud of.
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On February 05 2016 00:50 JazVM wrote:
Why are you guys so hyped for the game? I loved the first part and I have over 100hours on record, but from the streams I have seen the gameplay is fundamentally the same, isn't it? I will probably get it as well but I don't understand the extreme hype. Can someone enlighten me?
Like TotalBiscuit said, this game is XCOM 1 turned up to 12. It's the same fundamental gameplay with:
1) Far more powerful enemies;
2) Far more powerful XCOM soldier abilities;
3) Random map generation (this is huge); and
4) Total mod support (this is also huge).
The random map generation and mod support basically make this game XCOM 1 with the replay-ability of a Civilization game. The more powerful alien and XCOM abilities, combined with some new mission mechanics, heavily push the pace of play. XCOM2 is going to be the definitive XCOM game. Anyone who likes XCOM should get it.
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Procedural map generation is massive for a game like this.
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On February 04 2016 22:20 deacon.frost wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WxEzAwz.jpg)
I really dig the political (in)correctness of this map :o)
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Unpacking the game is taking forever Q_Q
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The retail version lists 45GB HDD space requirement. Steam just downloaded ~25GB.
Mine is unpacking for 30minutes as well now
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Hnn I gotta admit I'm a bit jelly you guys will get to play this in a matter of hours, but then again I cannot imagine downloading 25GB during daytime anyway with my internet. Oh well, I'll go to the store tomorrow morning and pick it up 
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