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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
New Vegas had this much better, mostly because of the faction system... But still far from perfect | ||
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whatisthisasheep
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 06 2015 22:50 Faruko wrote: Yeah, the karma system was stupidly bad especially considering that theres a guy outside megaton that you can get free good karma... New Vegas had this much better, mostly because of the faction system... But still far from perfect I hated it when the faction karma got reset halfway through. Like I was going out of my way to murder every legionair and suddenly it's possible to work for them again?? No way jose | ||
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Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
On June 07 2015 01:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I hated it when the faction karma got reset halfway through. Like I was going out of my way to murder every legionair and suddenly it's possible to work for them again?? No way jose I like how you can literally nuke their whole country and they're still willing to forgive and forget just because you made a delivery to Mr. House. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
Fallout3, new vegas, skyrim were all incredible games. If you didn't find countless hours of fun to be had, well sucks to be you. Oblivion is probably the weakest offering out of all the bethesda games, but the sheogorath expansion did a lot to fix it. | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On June 07 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: Wow the negativity here is mind boggling. Fallout3, new vegas, skyrim were all incredible games. If you didn't find countless hours of fun to be had, well sucks to be you. Oblivion is probably the weakest offering out of all the bethesda games, but the sheogorath expansion did a lot to fix it. Both FO3 and Skyrim have really poor story. It's pretty hard for me to enjoy rpg that has bad story, clunky combat and in Skyrim case horrible character developement. | ||
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Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
On June 07 2015 08:03 fishjie wrote: Wow the negativity here is mind boggling. Fallout3, new vegas, skyrim were all incredible games. If you didn't find countless hours of fun to be had, well sucks to be you. Oblivion is probably the weakest offering out of all the bethesda games, but the sheogorath expansion did a lot to fix it. While I don't disagree that they all offer lots of fun (and I enjoyed NV and Skyrim at least, haven't played F3 yet) there are definitely valid criticisms of each. I do think that most of the vitriol is hyperbolic and that a lot of the criticism of Fallout 4 is uncalled for since we have so little information. Even the graphics I believe people are being to hard on. Actually comparing it side-by-side with 3 and New Vegas there is a definite improvement, even if it's not as much as people would have expected so to say that it doesn't look any better than past games is wrong. Disappointing? Maybe. But bad? People saying that it's "ugly" are exaggerating. It may not look like a 2015 game, but it looks good. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 06 2015 22:50 Faruko wrote: New Vegas had this much better, mostly because of the faction system... But still far from perfect TBH I was pretty surprised at how poorly FO:NV handles morality, given how Obsidian's developers actually have a pretty good track record in terms of developing morality in games. Then I remembered that NV is much more Josh Sawyer's work than Chris Avellone's and it makes a lot of sense. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
I dont know what secret super games you are all playing that make Skyrim look that bad. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
On June 07 2015 10:07 LaNague wrote: wtf how do bethesda games suck now, they havent released anything after skyrim, which is one of the most well recieved games ever. I dont know what secret super games you are all playing that make Skyrim look that bad. Never found Bethesda games particularly engaging or well-written and if you look beyond Metacritic or Reddit you will find quite a vocal group of people who dislike the games Bethesda creates. For one I thought Skyrim was an incredibly shallow experience with crappy RPG elements, unnecessary simplifications and poor writing and pacing. This is coming from someone who isn't that huge into RPGs, let alone old school cRPGs and barely played Oblivion and didn't touch Morrowind so it isn't an argument or appeal from nostalgia. If you enjoyed Skyrim, hey, more power to you, but after Bethesda's games I'm not convinced Fallout 4 will be anything different from their track record which only brings more confusion as to why people are so hyped, to me at least. People love exploring a giant open world with lore and Bethesda provides that fix but as a game, I'm not satisfied. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
I dont really want to argue about skyrim, its pretty subjective to rate a game. Fallout 4 seems like an iteration anyways,i dont expect any change in direction at all. Im more interested in how the next elder scrolls will turn out to be, games like witcher 3 and Inquisition build impressive worlds, next elder scrolls might be much more to scale than Oblivion and skyrim, combat got better from game to game too, only stories suffered a lot, maybe they take thier time with the next one, Witcher 3 surely showed them something. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
On June 07 2015 10:33 LaNague wrote: yes, people dont think fallout 4 will be different from skyrim, thats actually why they preorder 1 year in advance. I dont really want to argue about skyrim, its pretty subjective to rate a game. Fallout 4 seems like an iteration anyways,i dont expect any change in direction at all. Im more interested in how the next elder scrolls will turn out to be, games like witcher 3 and Inquisition build impressive worlds, next elder scrolls might be much more to scale than Oblivion and skyrim, combat got better from game to game too, only stories suffered a lot, maybe they take thier time with the next one, Witcher 3 surely showed them something. Games like Fallout 4 would have been in development years before and apparently going to be released in 2015 so I doubt they would drastically change their formula for a game that was released three weeks ago. As you said, why would Bethesda change their games if people are preordering already with nary a gameplay footage and hyped to all hell. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
On June 07 2015 10:21 TheYango wrote: Also, Skyrim being "well-received" is pretty meaningless when Oblivion was also "well-received" at release, lol. Skyrim, FO3, FNV and Oblivion all sold better than Morrowind what people think or dont think about the game is meaningless anyway | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
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MyrMindservant
695 Posts
On June 06 2015 08:59 Xafnia wrote: That video has absolutely nothing to do about the "world" in the way that I mean it. I mean it geographically. Quick reason why I feel the fo3 world is more believable than new vegas world. Fallout 3 actually feels like your in the ruins of Washington DC. Getting lost in the metro system, the remains of the highways, factories. The entire downtown DC area is fucking amazing. In total the fo3 map only covers a corner of downtown DC and a section of the surrounding area. Walkable IRL in a day. It's obviously not perfect, it is shrunk down some, but it feels pretty alright. New vegas on the other hand is like a massive 60x120km area, all of vegas, all it's suburbs, multiple surrounding towns and lake mead, all shrunk down to approximately the same size as the fo3 map. The strip and all it's massive hotels is basically represented by 3-4 smallish buildings. Does not feel like you are actually in Nevada, or Vegas, in the least. As for that videos key complaint, the food thing, neither "worlds" provide even close to enough food for the massive amount of people in them, all the raiders, monsters, etc. It's at least believable that people walk/boat from DC to the surrounding areas to, you know, the massive surrounding area which is prime farmland, as opposed to a completely barren desert. Just saying. The smaller relative size of the fo3 map at least makes it plausible. The new vegas one does not. At all. Now, you don't have to agree with me, but I'd say the only one displaying any level of ignorance is you, deciding that your criteria for what makes or breaks a believable world is universally the same for everyone. You missed the point. That video is not about food, it is about world-building and well developed settings. Food is only used as an example to make a point. And world-building in Fallout 3 is much worse than in Fallout: NV. There are many other reasons and observations besides food. Where is politics? And I mean believable politics, not "good guys from BoS against bad guys from Enclave and mutants". Do settlements trade with each other, or maybe they engage in conflict? I could list a lot of things, but I would just be repeating stuff that was said many times already in other places. You can find few decent discussions about this in reddit topic about that video. | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On June 07 2015 14:14 MyrMindservant wrote: You missed the point. That video is not about food, it is about world-building and well developed settings. Food is only used as an example to make a point. And world-building in Fallout 3 is much worse than in Fallout: NV. There are many other reasons and observations besides food. Where is politics? And I mean believable politics, not "good guys from BoS against bad guys from Enclave and mutants". Do settlements trade with each other, or maybe they engage in conflict? I could list a lot of things, but I would just be repeating stuff that was said many times already in other places. You can find few decent discussions about this in reddit topic about that video. That video's great. Fallout 3 was rather insulting. How about this though; how is megaton a city? I don't see how it's plausible that one of the largest cities in the area was built around an atomic bomb. How about all the other towns with 3-5 people? I don't think you can call something a town with only 3-5 people living there. I don't think that's even likely to happen. Then there were the quests that just didn't make sense like the Mechanist and Antagonizer. So cringe. Or the guy working ostensibly for free as a DJ. The game was just ridiculous. The quests, the world building, the dialogues, and the NPCs were just poorly done in Fallout 3. The only good thing that came from it was New Vegas. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
FO3 was when it came out, definately one of those games where I went "why do they have to 3D everything for the sake of it" although we were well past that time in gaming where everything regardless of genre was doing the switch. It still made the game infinately worse then FO2 was. I hope FO4 offers something more than 3 did. | ||
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