• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:13
CET 18:13
KST 02:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block0GSL CK - New online series13BSL Season 224Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE20Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6
StarCraft 2
General
GSL CK - New online series Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 BSL Season 22 battle.net problems
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BWCL Season 64 Announcement [BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC) Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion General nutrition recommendations 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1734 users

The Falco Thread / Guide - Page 2

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 09 2014 20:24 GMT
#21
As a falcon main who's trying to grasp a better understanding of matchups, why is Falco >>>>> Falcon so hard-- much(?)worse than Fox v. Falcon? Is it because of Falco's ability to shine into combos vs. a very combo-able character like Falcon?

I'm not very good so sorry if it's a relatively basic question.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Airking990
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States193 Posts
August 09 2014 20:28 GMT
#22
On August 10 2014 05:24 darthfoley wrote:
As a falcon main who's trying to grasp a better understanding of matchups, why is Falco >>>>> Falcon so hard-- much(?)worse than Fox v. Falcon? Is it because of Falco's ability to shine into combos vs. a very combo-able character like Falcon?

I'm not very good so sorry if it's a relatively basic question.

Well the answer is fairly simple, to be honest

The fact that Falco has a projectile that's much better than Fox's is one of the main reasons. It completely stops momentum because it's a projectile with a knockback, and Falcon's ability to control a match comes from his superior mobility. If you have something that takes away from or limits his mobility, then Falcon has problems with the match up. Not to forget stuff like Falco's Dair and Nairs beats Falcon's approaches most of the time.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Airking990
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States193 Posts
September 07 2014 00:01 GMT
#23
Can somebody clarify the difference between Pillaring and Dair-shining? i don't quite get which is which, or otherwise mix them up
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 07 2014 03:55 GMT
#24
Pillaring is technically the shield pressure technique of shine -> SHFFL dair -> shine, etc. Dair-shine is probably referring to the combo, which is a Falco BnB on most of the non-floaty cast. People use "pillaring" to refer to the combo, but it's actually the shield pressure string that holds the name.
Writer@WriterYamato
Airking990
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States193 Posts
September 07 2014 17:17 GMT
#25
On September 07 2014 12:55 yamato77 wrote:
Pillaring is technically the shield pressure technique of shine -> SHFFL dair -> shine, etc. Dair-shine is probably referring to the combo, which is a Falco BnB on most of the non-floaty cast. People use "pillaring" to refer to the combo, but it's actually the shield pressure string that holds the name.

thanks for clearing that up. makes sense why they'd call the dair-shine combing "pillaring," though, or why people would think that that's what pillaring is.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 07 2014 17:54 GMT
#26
It is easy to mix up, yes. As long as you understand what someone means, it's fine even if they use the term the wrong way. It's a common thing to do.
Writer@WriterYamato
TyrionSC2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States411 Posts
September 11 2014 16:36 GMT
#27
A PM player told me that falco is janky :/
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
September 11 2014 17:26 GMT
#28
falco feels weird in PM for sure
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 11 2014 20:17 GMT
#29
PM is janky.
Writer@WriterYamato
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
September 24 2014 01:44 GMT
#30
PM falco is mad janky tbh
SooYoung-Noona!
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 24 2014 04:38 GMT
#31
Yeah, shine absolutely blows in PM unfortunately. Dair is CC-able at low enough percents, too.

And lasers aren't even as good anymore.

Plus 90% of the cast is designed to kill you because the PMBR hates spacies so much.

Falco got a dicking in the transition.
Writer@WriterYamato
CapnAmerica
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States508 Posts
October 01 2014 21:30 GMT
#32
It's sorta weird seeing someone say Falco has a 'godlike' recovery. If I get Falco offstage as Marth or Fox, he is dead unless I screw up basic inputs. Easily the worst of the top tier cast (as someone mentioned earlier) and Falco's real strength comes from his sick combo game and stage control with lasers. It's really good.

On the Falcon vs Falco thing -- lasers nullify a lot of Falcon approach options, so unless you're doing some crazy movin' it's much harder to set up your combos. Plus shine as a single frame response to anything that's not a real combo (out of hitstun) is very strong.
After all this time, I still haven't figured out the correlation between sexual orientation and beating an unprepared opponent. Are homosexuals the next koreans? Many players seem to think it's an unfair advantage. - pandaburn
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
October 04 2014 18:52 GMT
#33
On October 02 2014 06:30 CapnAmerica wrote:
It's sorta weird seeing someone say Falco has a 'godlike' recovery. If I get Falco offstage as Marth or Fox, he is dead unless I screw up basic inputs. Easily the worst of the top tier cast (as someone mentioned earlier) and Falco's real strength comes from his sick combo game and stage control with lasers. It's really good.

On the Falcon vs Falco thing -- lasers nullify a lot of Falcon approach options, so unless you're doing some crazy movin' it's much harder to set up your combos. Plus shine as a single frame response to anything that's not a real combo (out of hitstun) is very strong.


lol ya, falco has probably one of the worst recoveries in the viable metagame,
SooYoung-Noona!
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 47m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 501
Rex 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25251
Calm 4321
Hyuk 838
Snow 176
ggaemo 146
Soma 124
Dewaltoss 112
hero 86
Aegong 57
Backho 52
[ Show more ]
Shine 37
Free 22
sSak 22
IntoTheRainbow 20
scan(afreeca) 19
yabsab 19
GoRush 13
NotJumperer 11
910 9
Dota 2
Gorgc5858
qojqva1767
monkeys_forever155
Counter-Strike
fl0m3132
Other Games
FrodaN1321
B2W.Neo1099
ceh9328
DeMusliM298
Hui .189
Fuzer 170
Beastyqt157
QueenE105
XaKoH 85
C9.Mang057
Trikslyr53
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream11688
Other Games
gamesdonequick1422
BasetradeTV266
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 64
• poizon28 54
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix5
• Michael_bg 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis7406
• TFBlade1197
Other Games
• imaqtpie413
• Shiphtur164
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 47m
GSL
16h 47m
WardiTV Team League
18h 47m
The PondCast
1d 16h
WardiTV Team League
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
WardiTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.